Catherine Ashton: Ukraine must respect rule of law

pigs may fly....do not gt excited

How can Ukraine respect the law when it doesn't understand the law.

Yanukovych and his donetsk mafia make up the law as they plod along.

What is beneficial for the POR is legal....what is against their interests is illegal.

Such is the primitive mentality of the donetsk mafia clan.

Ashton et al would be well advised to put their own house in order before pointing fingers at Ukraine. Selective justice? How about Sarkozy and Berlesconi? How about the rampant corruption in Greece, Italy, and Spain, just to mention a few.

I can not help but wonder as to the real reason for all this squeaking about Mrs Tymoshenko, when EU has more than enough problems in their own bailiwick to occupy their time and efforts.

You are unable to understand the reason? Receiving a proper education can rectify that problem. Being illiterate is no excuse.

I am 12:28. Thank you, Khvylia, for finally someone posting an erudite reply to both me and the article. Your arguments are well founded. While I may or may not agree with either the article or your reply, your reply is well thought out and quite good.

However, while EU may well demand a cessation of the perceived or real prosecution of opposition figures, perhaps EU would, as I stated, do well to clean up their own house before casting stones at our Ukraine. Said casting of stones benefits no one. We both know the sitrep here, and we both know that the majority of the populace here is apathetic to anything that does not directly affect them, and more's the pity for that.

However, the reality is the vast majority of the populace of Ukraine could care less about the imprisonment of Mrs Tymoshenko, and we both know that. Witness the stunning silence on the part of the populace in regards to her situation. Most that I personally know here make no bones about the fact they are glad to see 'another oligarch' go down in flames.

I am fully aware of the gist of the article, and as stated I may or may not agree with said article. The main thing is after looking around on this forum, you, sir, have written one of the very VERY few replies to a perceived negative statement concerning EU and Mrs Tymoshenko without denigrating the author of the reply. Well done! Perhaps in future you and I can have further intellectual intercourse on the current events in Ukraine.

12:03: Then perhaps instead of denigrating me, how about something intelligent about the article.

Often those that were arrested were often tortured to obtain a confession. Sentences were pronounced by a Troika and were dealt out swiftly within hours or days of the hearing. The families of those that were executed were often told that the bandurist had been sent to a camp without the right to correspond.

NKVD troika or Troika, in Soviet Union {AKA: Muscovy} history, were commissions of three persons who convicted people without trial. These commissions were employed as an instrument of extrajudicial punishment introduced to circumvent the legal system with a means for quick execution or imprisonment. It began as an institution of the Cheka, then later became prominent again in the NKVD,

The first repressive troika was instituted in 1918, the members were Felix Dzerzhinsky, Yakov Peters, and Left SR V. Aleksandrovich.

The first "operational troikas" (оперативная тройка) were introduced in the "centre", in the Moscow military okrug in 1929.

Dear guest of 12:28; Please allow me to make a few comments to clear up an apparent misunderstanding. The article from Reuters is primarily concerned with the lawlessness and gross political interference from the Governmental Authorities in the administration of justice in Ukraine. This in turn is inter-connected with the request of the Ukrainian State for a special free trade agreement leading to a possible future membership in the EU. Both parties agree that a convergence could be of mutual benefit from a political and socio-economic perspective. However, it would be a major oversight to confuse the current difficulties being experienced within the EU to that which is happening in Ukraine. This is not to say that the problem with corruption within the EU (especially Greece)should be understated in any way. What is being emphasized are the core values that all EU Members consider essential for admission in whatever form to their Union. The current state of affairs in Ukraine especially when it concerns the continuing violation of basic human rights is totally unacceptable. The entire judicial system has been severely corrupted by the current state power vis-a-vis the unlawful harassment of the Opposition, illegal detention and "Kangaroo Court" trials of political figures from the Opposition, the violation of the rights of many religious communities and the criminal aggrandizement of economic power to oligarchs supporting the Party of Regions (aka) the party in power, etc. The EU has every right to demand a cessation and/or complete overhaul of these totally abhorrent practices. Finally, the issue concerning Yulia Tymoshenko should only be viewed as a prime example of a greater existing problem. To ignore what has become a complex problem, compliments of an arrogant President and his bungling administration, would be tantamount to opening a pandoras box. I hope this provides some clarification to your legitimate concerns.

It would be suicide for the EU to keep exapanding right now without working on many of its internal problems. Romania and Bulgaria have no business being in the EU and Neither does greece.

If you have not noticed EU is still way better off than Ukraine.

There is higher unemployment in many EU nations that Ukraine. The EU needs to fix its mess first before coming to Ukraine.

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Dumb fuck who spews ignorant shit. Stop post here as Guest. Show us your name. Show us your Russian balls. Or shut to fuck up.

And you. sir, guest 17:03, need to watch your mouth. You are not the only one who looks at this forum. Perhaps your mother or your sister looks. Do you want them to see the language you post?

Go fuck your mother. Enjoy.

You're a racist troll.

Please exit this forum and never return.

Thankyou for your co-operation.

Well said!

Have you ever considered trolling someplace else?

Catherine Ashton must respect rule of law "ugly trolls should stay in their caves"

What happened to Tymoshenko is the same thing she did to Kolesnikov and others. Every new party comes in and cuts amnesty deals with some and arrest others they don't want to cut deals with or cannot cut deals with. It's the story of Ukraine. When she gets out she'll try to do the same to his team. There has never been true law in Ukraine and there cannot ever be law until all politicians, policemen and judges are replaced with totally new people. The cancer is too advanced and requires a full amputation. Note that several of the judges in the constitutional court were appointed by Yulia. And they sold her out within 5 minutes of her loss. So they were for sale under her just as they are now under Yanuk. No principle or ethics.

Thank you for this comment, Sir.

Ashton, Ukraine doesn't need your INTERFERENCE in INTERNAL affairs; get lost!! --

How do you have rule of law when all the political parties are corrupted.The hopes of the people were dashed when orange revolution did not produce a reduction in corruption.What will it take to get the business/political elite of the country to support rule of law.

We see what Anglo-America and the Nazis of Europe consider their Lying Decrees to be the Rule of Law.

It shows us just how Brazen these Modern Day Nazis truly are, and just how they expects their subjects whom they consider to be dogs to do their tricks and obey their Master for a Dog Biscuit or Doggy Treat of a SAA Agreement, of anything else these Nazi Masters have.

We see the lengths to which these Modern Day Nazis go to inspire Confidence in their Puppets who exploit their own People to enrich Anglo-America and the Nazis of Europe.

This is seen by the Fact that if their Puppets get in trouble, then their Puppet Masters will come to their rescue, by pressuring or bribing who ever they can to cover up.

Perhaps they think that some of their Puppets will confess to being Secretly and Voluntarily Filmed in Acts of Paedophilia and Bestiality in order to provide a guarantee of their Continued Puppetship in order to receive their Bribes from the Euro-American Plutocrats and Banksters.

There are certain Principles of Natural Justice at work here, and that is that in a Democracy like Ukraine, there must be no Political Interference by the Government in the Judicial System.

Other Principles of Natural Justice are that Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to have done, and that there Must Not be one Law for us, and another Law for them in a Democracy.

All these Principles have to be taken into account, when considering this matter of Definite Public Importance and Concern, and I found the next paragraph on the Internet.

The former Ukrainian president, Viktor Yushchenko, has testified against his partner, Yulia Tymoshenko, in her abuse of office trial. Viktor Yushchenko claimed that the former prime minister was driven by political gain when she signed a gas deal with Russia in 2009 and betrayed Ukraine’s national interests by agreeing to what he believes was an inflated price. “Only political motives could have played a role here,” said Yushchenko, and that “national interests were traded for political considerations.” Viktor Yushchenko also claimed Tymoshenko ignored Ukrainian interests for the sake of special relations with Russian leaders, saying: “Russia had to have a pliant pro-Russian leader.” Tymoshenko said she disagreed with Yushchenko’s testimony, but declined to dispute it in the courtroom.

We all need to know that it was Yulia Tymoshenko’s former Political Ally, the former President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko who testified against the former Prime Minister of Ukraine, and perhaps she did not want to dispute any of it because Perjury is a Criminal Offence.

The former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, knew the Law, and he knew that the former Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko had broken the Law, as did the Learned Judges at her Trial.

I sometimes wonder if Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko planned this in advance, because they calculated that with American European Union, and domestic pressure, they could be back in Government.

We know that is has been alleged that former President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko, was poisoned with dioxin, but the symptoms would have been all over his body and not only on his face.

Wikipedia says: British toxicologist Professor John Henry of Saint Mary’s Hospital in London declared the changes in Yushchenko’s face were due to chloracne, which results from dioxin poisoning. Dutch toxicologist Bram Brouwer also stated his changes in appearance were the result of chloracne, and found dioxin levels in Yushchenko’s blood 6,000 times above normal. On December 11 2004, Dr. Michael Zimpfer of the Rudolfinerhaus clinic declared that Yushchenko had ingested dioxin and had 1,000 times the usual concentration in his body. Not all in the medical community agreed with this diagnosis, including the clinic’s own chief medical director, Dr. Lothar Wicke, who stated there was no evidence of poisoning other than the severe chloracne visible on Yushchenko’s face, and claimed to have been forced to resign because of his disagreement. Wicke also claimed to have been threatened by Yushchenko’s associates. Wicke’s claims led some to question Yushchenko’s truthfulness and motives.

Obviously the British and Nazis of Europe Doctors were more likely to Lie to help the Banksters Choice of Candidate; namely, Viktor Yushchenko, a former Banker himself.

We all knew that the Nazis of Europe have made Italy and Greece install former Bankers as their Prime Ministers, and so Ukraine fits the pattern for Puppets to Euro-American Plutocrats and Banksters to Exploit the Ukrainian People.

We all know that the Democratically Elected President of Ukraine and his Party want good relations with the European Union, and therefore it is obvious that they are seeking advice from the European Union on how to handle this Complex and Perplexing matter in a Fair and Balanced manner, that does not compromise the Principles of Natural Justice.

We know that Democratic Russia, along with All fair Minded Ukrainians who are seeking a common sense approach to this Complex and Perplexing Matter have made petitions that a reasonable solution be discussed and hopefully found.

This is why I mentioned a Comfortable and Secure Prison Environment as a possible solution to help solve this complex and perplexing matter and the Overwhelming Majority of Fair Minded Ukrainians would also like to this matter handled in a Fair, Balanced, and Just Manner, as is befitting a Modern Democracy like Ukraine.

My unreasonable critics may Accuse Falsely of being delusional, but they have no proof for that, and besides, I have no delusions that Secret CIA Agents and Foreign Paid Fifth Columnists want to use Yulia Tymoshenko’s regrettable circumstances as an excuse to criticise the Ukrainian Government, and to slander those who express their opinions.

People with average intelligence, and with above average intelligence, realize that I wrote is true, and that the honest comment is thoroughly researched and is backed up with credible evidence, and it provides additional points of Debate that the Ukrainian People are entitled to.

The Nazis of Europe are the Modern Day Nazis of Europe of which Nazi Germany is the Leader, while Anglo-America was always Nazi Personalities, but they are cunning and sly about it.

The Learned Judges knew that Yulia Tymoshenko had broken the Law, as did the former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, because otherwise he would not have brought the case against Yulia Tymoshenko.

Yulia Tymoshenko said she disagreed with Yushchenko’s testimony, but declined to dispute it in the courtroom.

We all need to know that it was Yulia Tymoshenko’s former Political Ally, the former President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko who testified against the former Prime Minister of Ukraine, and perhaps she did not want to dispute any of it because Perjury is a Criminal Offence.

This Could, as the in the dictionary meaning of the word Could be because she may have known that Viktor Yushchenko had learnt from President Nixon to tape things.

Wikipedia says: Yushchenko testified against his former ally Yulia Tymoshenko during her trial over a 2009 natural gas treaty she brokered Russia; a trial he called “a normal judicial process.”