Pshonka: Tymoshenko delaying court process despite feeling better

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July 11, 2012, 8:03 p.m. | Politics — by Interfax-Ukraine


Former Premier of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko is delaying the court process, that's why and it is necessary to define the final term of treatment since her health state is improving, Prosecutor General of Ukraine Viktor Pshonka has said.

 "There is [evidence from] the doctors that she is getting better…Is it right to delay the process and not to schedule a concrete date for finishing [the treatment]?," he said at the press conference in Kyiv on Wednesday.

At the same time the prosecutor general stressed that if Tymoshenko respected the law, the court process would start.

He also said that if she did not commit the crimes, let "the courts together with the lawyer prove it".

Commenting the opportunity of the premier to be treated abroad, the prosecutor said: "She should have a human conscience. She is a citizen of Ukraine. The law doesn't foresee treatment abroad. Let the Verkhovna Rada decide whether she could be treated abroad."

Pshonka also said that the blocking of the entrance and exit of the hospital on July 10 by MPs to hamper the transportation of Tymoshenko to the court was a political show.

"If the court decides it, she will be taken to the court - otherwise she won't," the prosecutor general added.

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Frederick Sass July 12, 2012, 12:37 a.m.    

Even if Yulia's delaying tactics are in fact true, is this any worse than the current leader having his competition jailed?? If the current Ukrainian Premier is so obsessed with all corruption in politics, then lets have him open his own books for public scrutiny to verify his own innocence. This won't happen until he is finally defeated in a future election, and then the new premier will have the last premier jailed for crimes committed during his stay in power. (This is what Yanukovych did to Tymoshenko as soon as he gained power.) If you are pompous enough to have your competition removed to jail, you better make sure your own record is perfectly clean. Victor Yanukovych better have a good lawyer, else he will be following Yulia into the prison.

(Let he who is without sin cast the first stone! Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! )

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Roman Dawydiak July 12, 2012, 12:17 p.m.    

It is more than probable that Vitya "Mr. Potato Head" Pshonka and his fellow "spuds" are anxious to obtain an early guilty verdict as predetermined by their "judicial kangaroo court" officials. Any delay extended to September or October would be an anathema to the PGO and the POR. A guilty verdict would provide a new impetus to a United Opposition in their drive to obtain a clear majority in the Verkhovna Rada elections. On the other hand a not guilty verdict would promote an indication of weakness within the POR and as such the other potato head, Vitya Yanuslobovych, would never accede to such a decision. Therein lies the rub.

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rcd1 July 12, 2012, 12:41 a.m.    

And what court process is he referring too? There is no real fair, Internationally recognized and approved legal system in Ukraine at this time. The courts nor legal system certainly are not fair and certainly not independent of political pressure nor free of corruption. In Yulia's case there is nothing short of a predetermined planned hanging taking place so why should she be in any hurry to allow this corrupt court and government to place the rope around her neck and hang her any sooner? This prosecutor is a pawn and does as he is instructed to do (which is to destroy Yulia and keep her locked up) and he is an embarrassment upon the nation of Ukraine. The corrupt government of which he answers too is an embarrassment. When will the circus stop and Ukrainian leaders spend more time, resource and effort caring more about making life better for Ukrainians rather than spending the majority of their time trying to destroy and make life miserable for Yulia and her supporters?

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elmer-елмер July 12, 2012, 1:44 a.m.    

These sovok mafiosi are absolute psychotic idiots.

First, why is it necessary for Tymoshenko to attend a pre-determined stalinist show trial?

Because the sovok psychos want to rub dirt in her face. Because they want to humiliate her with false charges.

If she doesn't want to attend, that's her choice.

Second - there it is again - the sovok psycho disregard of the law.

There is a presumption of innocence under Zookraine's constitution.

But here is white, fat, pasty-faced dough boy, Pshonka:
He also said that if she did not commit the crimes, let "the courts together with the lawyer prove it".

It is the sovok mafia prosecution that must prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is NOT the defendant who must prove his or her innocence.

Of course, in Zookraine, as rcd1 pointed out, there is no legal system.

Only psychotic sovok mafiosi attempting to give the appearance of a court.

It looks like an aquarium.

Kafka would be absolutely amazed and dumbfounded and astounded at these psychotic mafiosi.

And the fact that Zookrainians put up with this insanity, with this insane freak show.

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bernardh July 12, 2012, 9:58 a.m.    

Viktor "I'm a member of the presidents team" Pshonka has expressed his view of the "presumption of guilt" on many occasions; in these stalinist trials, the political opponents of the current regime must "prove their innocence" not to be convicted, which of course is impossible when you don't even know what the allegedly criminal act is. At the gas trial Tymoshenko appeared every day in court, even though - bizarrely enough - there was no schedule but the proceeding of the trial was decided from day to day. Sometimes the sessions lasted till late in the evenings, with hardly no breaks. The prosecutors were allowed to have a parade of political oppoents giving testimony, the defense was denied all but two witnesses. The defense was prevented from cross-examining witnesses by the moronoic judge. Evidence in favour of Tymoshenko was denied to be included in the case file. And in the end Tymoshenko was convicted, although in the written verdict the judge still failed to comprehensibly describe the allegedly criminal act. The whole world could see that the actual crime comitted was the stalinist trial itself. But even after this, the PoR mafia decided to continue with more stalinist show trials. Now the UES case, after that the Scerban murded case, and then we also have the old Kyoto and Opel combo cases; there is no end to this. It is obvious they are intending to drag this out for years and years, opening one case after the other just to keep it going. Then the imbecile "president" can continue to repeat his empty phrases like "we should wait for the rulings of the courts" forever.

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elmer-елмер July 12, 2012, 4:41 p.m.    

bernardh, I think you've presented a perfect summary of what's going on.

With one exception - she was denied the right to a jury trial, which is required by Zookraine's constitution.

Of course they want ot pile on the charges. They are not only conducting stalniist show trials, they are conducting a propaganda smear campaign to divert attention away from their own corruption.

Already in the "tax case" involving United Energy Systems, they have let out information like "she bought a dress with a credit card, and didn't pay taxes."

Things like this are supposed to inflame the people and send them running after Tymoshenko with pitchforks, as if she is some sort of Frankenstein.

But is isn't working.

The Frankenstein monsters, the sovok mafia, are Yanukonvikt, Pshonka, Chechetov, Boogooslonskaya, who is literally insanely fixated on driving Tymosehnko into the ground, Firtash the self-proclaimed "savior of Ukraine" (спаситель України), Rinat Kuzmin, and the rest of the sovok mafia.

I will never forget when Mustafa Nayem, one of Ukraine's excellent journalists, questioned Yanukonvikt about Mezhihirya, the $300 million mansion estate which he stole from the country.

This was on the Savik Shuster show ahead of the last presidential elections, and Shuster at that time was quite openly lenient toward the Party of Regions mafia.

Yanukonvikt is a big bag of fat without a single brain cell in his body.

So he resorted to a typical sovok mafia dodge, which is the only thing he could think of: "I will report to the people, but I won't report to you, Mustafa."

Well, here we are several years later, and the Big Bag of Fat, the Thief in Chief, sitll hasn't answered for stealing Mezhihirya.

Instead, amazingly enough, he winds up in bizarro Ukraine as "the president."

Complete with a bag of dough named "I'm on the President's team" Pshonka.

And what's worse, the son of the Big Bag of Fat and the sone of the Big Bag of Dough are both in Parliament!

By virtue of "party lists" and unexplained reasons.

And what's even worse is that the people of Zookraine tolerate this, and think it's none of their business!

The Big Bag of Fat and his mafia will keep doing what they're doing until the Ukrainian people once again fall into complete stalinism - except it's yanukonviktism.

seig heil
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carl July 12, 2012, 4:46 p.m.    

elmer you have admitted in the past she is corrupt, so why don't you want her held to account?

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elmer-елмер July 12, 2012, 6:16 p.m.    

carl, carl, carl, you little sovok.

How many times do I have to repeat this?

For sovoks - it's an infinite number of times, because sovoks have no brains and refuse to understand anything.

First, carl, show me where I said she was corrupt.

She, unfortunately, engaged in a pissing and shit-throwing contest with Yushchenko - to the detriment of Ukraine and its people.

So here we are, stuck with the brainless Big Bag of Fat as "the president."

She did have a monopoly on virtually all the gas trade in Ukraine through United Energy Systems, through Lazarenko's grant. She was kicked out of it by Firtash and company, even though she had at one time sung the praises of Gazprom.

Those are some of her faults. There are others.

There are also positives - such as getting rid of Firtash in the gas trade, even if her motives were not pure.

There are other positives.

Second, if one is to be held accountable, it must be for specific crimes, not vague allegations of "corruption."

Third, the specific crimes must be spelled out specifically, so that people understand clearly what the exact elements of the crime are.

It can't just be a vague notion of "exceeding the government," as under the stalinist code in Zookraine.

Fourth, there must be a legal system in place.

That means competent impartial independent judges, which Zookraine does not have.

That means competent independent prosecutors, which Zookraine does not have - it has persecutors who are a political arm of the sovok mafia, just like the judges.

That means due process - procedural and substantive due process. Thinks like the right to a jury trial, the right to confront and cross-examine witnesses, the right to receive exculpatory evidence from the prosecutors, the right to advance notice of witnesses, the right to obtain evidentiary materials, and more.

As bernardh pointed out for example, there was a parade of political witnesses "invited" by the "judge" without advance notice, such as zArazov, who proceeded to give opinions, rather than facts.

People in Zookraine think that Tymoshenko's case is only about Tymoshenko - and the sovok mafia PoR is pushing that notion for all it's worth.

But it's not - it's about the legal system in Zookraine.

Thus, a lawmaker who was sentenced only to probation for killing a man with an assault weapon in front of his young child (Taran) recently had his sentence changed to 14 years in jail by the appellate court.

That's a step forward.

In the Oksana Makar case, her killers were initially let go because they were "mazhory" - killer big shots or their kids - until the people of Mykolayiv said "enough."

Then the governmnet said there would be a "secret trial." That also drew protests.

Then the government said, "OK, no secret trial, but there will be some 'secret evidence'"!

What "secret evidence" could there be when 3 bastards rape, strangle, and brutally burn a young woman to death?

In Landyk's case, for brutally beating and dragging a girl around the floor of a restaurant - he got a light sentence.

Landyk is the dip-shit who is a MARRIED city councilman who tried to make advances towards the young woman.

His father, a dickhead in Parliament, launched an attack against Ms. Koshkina, a journalist at LB.UA, for reporting about how the father was texting his son from Parliament via SMS, in retaliation for her journalistic work.

As many times as you ask your stupid sovok mafia questions, pretending not to understand, carl, I will answer.

You and your sovok mafia buddies are evil.

The Big Bag of Fat and the Big Bag of Dough are evil - as are their sons.

Boogooslonskaya is an insane evil person.

Kolesnichenko, the co-sponsor of the language bill, looks positively insane.

Kivalov is evil - and he's proven what he's capable of by engineering the falsification of presidential elections in 2004.

So is the whole sovok mafia system that the sovok mafia created.

It is amazing that the people in Zookraine will tolerate such evil.

seig heil
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bernardh July 12, 2012, 6:51 p.m.    

Elmer, Boogooslonskaya have just provided more compelling evidence of her insanity herself. Just check this:

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elmer-елмер July 12, 2012, 9:08 p.m.    

yep - she's claiming to be a "victim" of discreditation "attacks" by BYuT

She took her husband on "official" missions to Brussels that turned out not to be official.

The purpose of the missions was to tell whoever in Brussels would listen that Tymoshenko is a bad, bad person, and therefore on that ground alone deserves to be convicted.

Boogooslonskaya is a hideous, hissing vile snake.

One of the idiots who commented under the Pravda article said "Boogooslonskaya for president of Ukraine!"

To which one of the other commenters responded:

Тогда я папа римский!

Then I am the Pope (of Rome)

seig heil
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carl July 12, 2012, 4:42 p.m.    

The facts are.
1 Ukrainian justice system does not meet EU standards.
2 Ukrainian justice system does meet international standards.
3 She has been tried according to Ukrainian law.
4 She is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt of charges brought against her or that might be brought against her.
5 PGO is doing an outstanding job.

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elmer-елмер July 12, 2012, 5:55 p.m.    

the only fact you stated correctly if number 1.

The rest are lies.

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elmer-елмер July 12, 2012, 6:22 p.m.    

There is no "law" in Zookraine, carl, and there is no legal system.

No matter how much you and your sovok mafia buddies, and Burson Marsteller propagandize your lies - there is no law and no legal system in Zookraine.

Only a piano-voting sovok mafia system with a brainless Big Bag of Fat as "the president."

seig heil
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bernardh July 12, 2012, 7:21 p.m.    

"Beyond a reasonable doubt", have you even read the verdict, Carl? How was it established that Tymoshenko had "criminal aims"? What were the "criminal aims"? How exactly did she commit the crime? What exactly was the criminal act? The moronic judge does not even bother to reason explain this, because he can't.

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cedrik July 12, 2012, 9:21 p.m.    

Carl, don't even try to argue with 'these' idiots. They are the same one lad in Canada. Witness the times 'they' post. One lad, not even Ukrainian. Ignore 'them'. Even speaking to them is like arguing with a wall..dumb as cat s//t and about as sensible. Elmer/bernardh/DrMH/kvyalya, all are the same single fool. Look at what 'they' write and say. It's all the same, one single piss ant who's never been to Ukraine but once if that. Ignore them. If you want to have intelligent discourse on the current situation, we can. As far as this idiot as named above, as I said, just ignore him.

Now for an added grin, watch them attack me. Grin. You'll see, as you've seen, the true face of the 'loyal opposition'. Loyal my butt. Nothing but disgusting, filthy, stinking ByT idiots.

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carl July 13, 2012, 8:48 p.m.    

Cedrik the current situation is bleak. Growing libor scandal in london is going to have negative ripple for ukraine and everyone else. I am sick of all politicians,bankers. I never thought i would agree with communist party leader but he is right reforms,policy must be taken with interest of nation in mind not transnational corporations.

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cedrik July 14, 2012, 1:27 p.m.    

The problem is, Carl, that politicians by their very nature care only about getting elected for another term, not what the people want or need.
And I agree, the international financial situation will get more serious. For instance EU has yet to come up with a real fix on their money problems, they simply delay, announcing just enough 'good news' to make the markets go up a little. The smart money has left the markets long ago and is just sitting it out, waiting to see which way this goes.
In my opinion, the Germans, Austrians and Swiss are simply keeping the EU going for the time being while they divest all the bad paper they can. When they are at the break even point, that's when you will see EU in REAL trouble.

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elmer-елмер July 12, 2012, 10:34 p.m.    

What is the excuse, the rationale, that the sovok mafiaParty of Regions has dreamed up to support the stalinist show trial conviction of Tymoshenko?

One of them is - "she caused damage to Zookraine."

How do they arrive at this?

Well, the best description is something borrowed from a Saturday Night Live comedy skit - "The Soup Man Says So."

Here it is - "she caused millions of dollars of damage."

How? Well, if you take $250, and subtract that from $400, you get the "damage figure."

Where do you get the $250?

"Well, that's the price that Zookraine should be paying for gas."

How do you get that?

"Well, Yushchenko and the PoR arrived at that figure."

How did they arrive at $250?

"Well, Yushchenko got on the Savik Shuster Show with his Magic Chalk and Big Magic Blackboard, and drew diagrams."

Yes, but how did he get to the $250?

"Well, that's the price that Putler should have agreed to."

Yes, but how could anyone force Putler to agree to that figure, since both parties have respective monopolies on gas and transportation, and there were negotiations involved?

"Well, Putler should have agreed to $250 because --- the Soup Man Says So."

Well, how does the Soup Man know that Putler should have agreed to $250, since Yushchenko recalled Dubina, the head of Ukraine Naftohaz at the time, from Moscow, when Gazprom was ready to sign for a lower amount?

"Well, the Soup Man Says So, and Yushchenko didn't like the fact that Firtash was being cut out as a middleman."

How does the Soup Man know?

"Well, he just knows, and the Soup Man Says So."

So that's how you arrive at the $250?

"Yes - the Soup Man Says So."

seig heil
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carl July 13, 2012, 8:54 p.m.    

Yushchenko was a disaster to say the least.

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Roman Dawydiak July 15, 2012, 5:45 a.m.    

It is true that Yushchenko turned out to be a disaster. On the other hand Yanukovych can only be described as being "evil".

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