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Strong Ukraine postpones decision on merger with Regions Party

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Oct. 22, 2011, 2:10 p.m. | Politics — by Interfax-Ukraine
A decision to merge with the Party of Regions will be taken at the second stage of the Strong Ukraine party's second congress. This decision was made by delegates of the first stage of the congress in Kyiv on Saturday, an Interfax-Ukraine correspondent reported.

At the congress, Strong Ukraine Leader Sergiy Tigipko has invited his party members to hold consultations regarding the mechanism of association with the Party of Regions during a break between the stages of the congress.

He noted that they needed to agree on the 'organizational entry' of the Strong Ukraine into the Party of Regions. In particular, he expressed his desire to see representatives of his political force as deputy heads of local branches of the Party of Regions.

He said he wanted his party members to be involved in the implementation of reforms, when they become a part of the Party of Regions.

"I am confident that when we are there (in the Party of Regions) we will contribute to the spirit and to democracy, and I believe that the Party of Regions will only benefit from this," he stressed.

The congress instructed Tigipko to determine the time and date of the second part of the second Congress of the Strong Ukraine party.
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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 2:51 p.m.    

The money from the POR is still not yet decided on.....

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 3:37 p.m.    

Somehow I think Tigipko realises that he is in a better position fo strength if he is able to win seats in the Parliament on his own right. if String Ukraine is merged into party of regions they will just be absorbed and the overall vote will not increase significantly. If Stong Ukraine stands alone and it manages to exceed the 3 or 5% represenation threshold then the combined vote and representation of Party of Regions and Strong Ukraine would be grater then if they stood as one entity.

The benefits of remaining a separate party would be better still if Ukraine adopted a preferential &quot;Ranked&quot; voting system, Under a ranked &quot;alternative&quot; voting option Strong Ukraine would be able to recommend voter preference allocations giving it more influe=nev in the outcome of elections and the formation of any possible governing coalition.

Like wise Strong Ukraine would also play a major role in the formation fo government if Ukraine adopted a model of representation based on 45 local electorates with each electorate electing 9 members of parliament using a system of Single Transferable proportional representation voting system and a 10% quota.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 8:43 p.m.    

Respectfully, guest,,,do you know many times you used &quot;if&quot; ?

If pigs had wings , they could fly.

First things first.......

Yanuk has to be removed from power. He has done absolutley NOTHING for the citizens of Ukraine.

There are a number of options....ranging from Klitschko to Libya.

Change has to come from within.

Confuscious said...A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

&quot;If's&quot; mean nothing at this point; regieme change is the first step.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 10:20 p.m.    

combined he would do better running as a separate group.

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2011, 3:59 a.m.    

If A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step then I guess the first step or destination is constitutional reform and the removal of power from the office of the president. I prefered Yanukovych when he was Prime minister then as president.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 6:36 p.m.    

Tigipko would be a fool to break with PoR at this point... his credibility is in tatters... He is seen for what he is, an amoral opportunist... hardly a rare comodity in Ukrainian politics. His ship sailed long ago.

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2011, 4:09 a.m.    

That would describe most of the worlds leaders. Did anyone ever think of Tigipko as being anything else other than an opportunist? Who paid for his presidential campaign and what was his aim given that he was never going to out-poll the two main contenders.

The presidential system is a race between whoever has the deepest pockets and most money. I can not see one advantage other then dicatorship in having a directly elected presidents. Much better outcome would arise from a 2/3rds constitutional parliamentary appointment. If the parliament can not reach agreement who should be president than the head of the high court would act a caretaker president until such time as a suitable person can be found. If the president has no real power then it would not matter who was appointed president. Ukraine's biggest mistake was retaining the presidential system in the first place. Once Party of Regions lose the presidency they will want to return to a policy of Parliamentarism.

Tipipko has no long term startegy he just wants to be the next man in charge. he certianly is not supportive of democratic values.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 8:36 p.m.    

&quot;String Ukraine&quot;? Your phrase; perhaps a revealing Freudian typographical slip!

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 10:19 p.m.    

Typo. i is next to o.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 11:50 p.m.    

If pigs had wings I guess they could fly just as if Humans were angels they could fly also.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 10:30 p.m.    

It is not so much the individual but the position. Remove power from the President and establish a full parliamentary democracy. Problem solved.

As long as Ukraine is beholden to presidential rule it will never be a free democratic independent state.

Wake up the soviet/US style presidential system has failed Ukraine. Yushchenko was hopeless.

As to the boxer what does he stand for? What policies does he offer? He may be preferable to the incumbent but what will he do.? Is the presidential position only available to those that have a lot of money or are famous. It costs hundreds of millions of dollars to run a presidential campaign. (In the US over a billion dollars per candidate) Who is going to pay for it and what do they hope to get in return? Scrap it.

Look at Estonia and Latvia, they are both relatively successful Parliamentary democracies. They made the right choice Ukraine did not.

Where there is no counsel the people fall but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety - proverbs.

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2011, 8:13 p.m.    

You ask....&quot; As to the boxer what does he stand for? What policies does he offer?..&quot;

The short answer is 'What does Yanuk offer?'

The common sense answer is this.........

Klitschko offers 'passion'...a drive to become the BEST boxer in the WORLD ....

He is fluent in more languages than Russsian...

He has studied and obtained degrees honestly ,,,,

His wealth is not luck, it did not just fall out of the sky into his lap....he is intelligent and 'hard working'....

His reasons for running are not to steal money...

He is a passionate nationalist, who cares about HIS country, and the people who live in Ukraine.....

He has lived in the west,,,,he sees how a working democracy works,,,,it is by the people , for the people.

Guest, you make the comparison of money = getting elected in US.

Well, the same applies to boxing. Boxing promoters in the US have millions to train champions; therefore only US fighters could become world champions.

Well, Mr Klistschko, comes from Ukraine, yet he has managed to overcome all the money issues and become the WORLD CHAMPION!!!!( the BEST out 5 billion people !!!)

It is obvious, that someone with this determination and success,,,can be a potential president.

There are no pre-requisties for honesty and integrity...you have them , or you don't. (Compare Yanuk and Klits.)

Will he make mistakes. Sure he will.

Is it going to be hard. You bet it will. He will need the peoples support,,,,at all times.

Does he have better qualifications than the current crook....

(YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS HE DOES !!!!!!!)

Respectfully and seriously.......Which one do you want as leader of YOUR country?

Lastly.....your comment...&quot;Who is going to pay for it (his campaign running for president? )

He does not think in small minded terms,,,,,he will find a way.

He didn't say..&quot; I can't become a WORLD CHAMPION BOXER,,I'm just a poor Ukrainian living in a corrupt society, oh poor me! &quot;

His determination, drive, strength, intestinal fortitude and personal convictions give him ALL THE QUALITIES of a leader.

He will find a way.

He will need yours, mine, and everyones support.

Personalities like his can accomplish the impossible.

I am sure he does not embark on this challenge lightly....and if he said he is going to run.....then he will make it happen.!

That is a leader with vision and morals.

(The short answer.....What does Yanuk have to offer?)

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ps,,,,my apologies for the long answer,,,,,,I do not know him, I am just a concerned citizen like other readers.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 6:11 p.m.    

an oxymoron if there ever was one...thats as crazy as &quot;United Ukraine&quot;!

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 8:29 p.m.    

You rats.....lately events seem to be heading towards Yanuk not getting re-elected (the Klitschko factor) so you are waiting to see which ship to jump on!!

Be a man....stand up for Ukraine......stand up for the people of Ukraine, stand up to Yanuk and his oligarch thugs.....

You stole enough,,,,,now try helping those who own Ukraine....THE PEOPLE.!!

You said.......

&quot;... when we are (in the Party of Regions) we will contribute to the spirit and to democracy, and I believe that the Party of Regions will only benefit from this,&quot; he stressed...

My god,,,,you are a bigger freakin' liar than Yanuk.

.....we will contribute (with POR) to democracy...!!!

Name ONE THING that Yanuk or you, have contribute to democracy?????

You do not know the meaning of democracy.....

You are a slime ball, only wanting to put more money in your pocket.

Next,,,,,,you will be changing your name to STRONG YANUK......

It is because of spineless oppostion like you, that Yanuk has f---- Ukraine...and you can't wait to jump on his ship.....you rat.

Facts are facts.......

This is not IntUkr propoganda.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 11:48 p.m.    

If Tigipko's Strong Ukraine can win 10% or more of the vote in next years parliamentary election they will be in the position of power broker? They may even be able to secure the prime mistership or the speaker of the parliament and deputy speaker and their choice of other portfolios. merging with Parrty of regions is not in anyones interst. It will nto increase Party of regions support base. Look what ahppend to the Our Ukraine/peoples Self Defence movement merger. Combined their vote did not increase.

Introduce a preferential ranked &quot;alternative vote&quot; voting system and it would be even better.

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2011, 9:39 p.m.    

http://www.klitschko.com/en/vitali-wladimir/wladimir-klitschko/

This is what Klitschko has to offer......

KLITSCHKO BROTHERS RAISED 880 THOUSANDS EUROS FOR UKRAINIAN CHILDREN SPORTS SCHOOLS.

880 thousand Euros that have been raised at the Charity Auction will be spent for supporting Ukrainian children in sports schools all over Ukraine. Among respectable guests of this event were very famous persons: Boris Becker, the Scorpions, Andrey Shevchenko and Hayden Panettiere.

&quot;For today we have received a lot of requests from children sport schools from all over the country. Children want to study, to go in for sport, to be healthy. We would like to give them such opportunity. In fact, sport has the power to open the world. Charity Gala Dinner participation gives to our friends a possibility to be involved in realization of our goals&quot; - said Vitaly Klitschko.

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Now , Guest / Yesterday 22:30,,,, I ask......what does Yanuk offer?

A $300 million mansion ,,,built with taxpayers money!!

Billions hrv for private football stadiums....etc....

WHAT DOES YANUK OFFER.....WHAT HAS HE DONE.....WHAT WILL HE DO....

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