Tymoshenko: Rats run after cheese

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June 30, 2010, 1:25 p.m. | Politics — by UNIAN

Yulia Tymoshenko to turn Batkivshchyna All-Ukrainian Union into a powerful party

BYuT leader Yulia Tymoshenko aims to turn Batkivshchyna All-Ukrainian Union into a powerful European-type party. According to an UNIAN correspondent, she said this at the news conference in Kharkiv.

According to her words, she makes trips over Ukraine to carry out “an extensive modernization” of the party. Yu. Tymoshenko believes that the public will see at the example of Batkivshchyna All-Ukrainian Union how a European party should look like and work.

The BYuT leader is satisfied that amid hard times for opposition such well-known people as ex-governor of the Kharkiv Oblast Arsen Avakov come to it.

When “rats run after cheese” true patriots come to Batkivshchyna All-Ukrainian Union, Tymoshenko said.
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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 2:55 p.m.    

So, what exactly was her party during its 5 years in power? She continuously speaks lies and increasingly appears delusional ...who on earth takes her seriously?

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 5:15 p.m.    

During her premiership, she made things much worse in Ukraine; she and her &quot;friend&quot; Yushchenko made thing much worse.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 6:14 p.m.    

If you don't like her be truthful. She smells of cheese less than most, do you smell of liquor?

Delusional, are you kidding? She alone has realistically foretold developments and been practical enough to know which battles not to fight.

From declaring before the election that the change in at home voting was the tool POR would use to steal the election to her realization that the west was not going to support that argument, even if true. Slowly now it becomes apparent to all her warnings are true.

See above on making things worse. Yushenko was the problem and rebuked in an unprecedented manner by his constituency.

So if you guys want to make an argument against her OK, but at least make sense. If you think Russian influence is better for Ukraine, then say that and defend it!

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 7:41 p.m.    

One cannot blame her problems on Yushchenko anymore than his can be blamed on her.You either perform the duties of your post with competence

or you don't.You are a team player or you are not. She failed,he failed they are now figures of the past even if they don't yet realize it.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 8:44 p.m.    

Excellent evalutation although the mess that is the Consitution (or rather the hastely written amendments in 2004 seemingly on the back of a cigarette packet and with about as much thought) has not helped the situation with two individuals incapable of teamwork.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 9:53 p.m.    

It takes two to tango and Yush would not dance. Tym has even tried to work with POR on refining legislation. They have rebuffed even her reasonable efforts.

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Anonymous July 1, 2010, 4:20 a.m.    

Why should he have danced, she was nothing but the gas princess until he appointed her PM.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 9:45 p.m.    

Sorry, but here you are clearly wrong. Her problem was the opposition in her camp (Yush). She even tried to reach out to him in opposition after the defeat and he still will not think of Ukraine first.

Perhaps you do not live in Ukraine or did not read the papers during that time, but even the electorate only narrowly divided on her (with the help of rule bending POR).

Your simplistic assessment indicates some other reason than fact and logic for your statement.

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Anonymous July 1, 2010, 4:17 a.m.    

The phrase 'her camp' says it all.Yushchenko was the president a former head of central bank,PM.We will see how long her bloc lasts.

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Anonymous July 1, 2010, noon    

I am so over this &quot;Tymoshenko and Yushchenko quarreling ruined the democratic forces&quot; excuse. This is last year's news already. It's no longer useful to talk about it. For better or worse, Tymo and Yush are both figures of the political past. Let's move on already.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 3:21 p.m.    

Does she smell of cheese ?

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 4:25 p.m.    

As a European, I am used to knowing who I am voting for from each party in my locality rather than having someone forced on me to keep the top names in a party in a job.

BYuT will be providing an open list in 2012 then. I look forward to it!

(Well it is how a European party is run after all)

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 5:53 p.m.    

You have indeed pointed out a very,very serious problem in Ukraine - the way elections for Parliament are held.

Heck, city elections have been canceled.

And oblast governors are appointed, instead of being elected by the people.

Thousands of government jobs are handed out after &quot;they&quot; get voted out and &quot;we&quot; get voted in.

Judges are appointed by political quotas.

Independent judiciary? Not a chance - just prostitutional courts.

Most people want to go into government in Ukraine - it's the same as going into &quot;beezness.&quot;

The official salaries are low - but the &quot;gifts,&quot; and fringe benefits, and &quot;other income&quot; are very, very high, and government officials display their Bentleys, Mercedes and expensive $58,000 watches with boastful pride in full view of the public.

They try to hide their mansions behind high walls, however, and claim that they don't own their mansions - they &quot;rent&quot; them - on extremely favorable terms.

In democratic countries, one doesn't vote for lists, whether open or closed. There are voting districts - and the people in the voting district vote for a candidate, out of several individual candidates, who will represent the people in that district.

In bass ackwards Ukraine, people are not given the opportunity to vote for a single candidate from their district - only party lists, which are currently closed, meaning that there are 450 names on the list (450 seats in Parliament).

But noone knows who they are, other than the &quot;top 5.&quot;

That is how Yanukonvict's son wound up in Parliament, on the &quot;list&quot; of the Party of Regions. He's not qualified and noone knows what he does - but there he sits, like a stupid lump.

And there are more.

The &quot;political elite&quot; like that just fine, including Tymoshenko.

Because the &quot;political elite&quot; are all rats running after the same cheese.

And elections are between one set of rats, and another set of rats.

Example - Khoroshkovsky, the owner of the Inter TV channel, who is now head of the Security Service, and also sits on the Council that oversees judges in Ukraine, and who has a horrendous conflict of interest between his government posts and his businesses, also was recruited by ---- Tymoshenko.

Firtash, of RosUkrEnergo fame, spread money around, including some to Yushchenko's brothers - which is why Yushchenko supported RosUkrEnergo.

The list goes on.

Styling oneself as a &quot;European party&quot; won't work, as long as Ukraine's system of government and elections is still the same old sewer.

Even a &quot;new&quot; European party will stink in the same old sewer.

And all the rats will still be running after the same old cheese.

Which is why Ukraine doesn't have a really effective opposition.

All the rats run after, and benefit from, the same old cheese.

працюють ефективно

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 6:05 p.m.    

She may be flawed, but everybody in power is against her and trying to destroy her. She did some good (reprivatization, bank refunds, removing RUE). She did some bad,(Lutsenko, renig on increase power charges).

She did not fight with Yush. He constantly attacked, she occasionally replied. He stymied her every effort. She could be effective and is the ONLY (for now) alternative.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 8:48 p.m.    

Good bad or indifferent, sadly I do not see her as an alternative for Ukraine at all. Right now I do not see any alternative for Ukraine.

Even if she won an election of any kind, the untied opposition are not united. I do not see Yatseniuk joining her coalition even if she was in power because being in her shadow is not in his best interests long term, given as you cite, a flawed record and policies based on nothing more than populism.

Even if she won something, she would not have enough support to do anything. Her time has passed.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 9:50 p.m.    

I did not cite populism though that may be a fair statement. As for Yatseniuk, do you honestly not understand he is a &quot;stalking horse&quot; for POR. He is the same as Tigipko... Together with Yush, they gave the country to Yanu and Russia.

She did not do that in the past and if in office now would have that same support she enjoyed previously.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 11:33 p.m.    

A &quot;stalking horse&quot; is put to pasture once the hunt is done. Yatseniuk's party is pressing ahead with something that looks, acts and behaves very much like a European party already. Tymoshenko's behind the curve.

The &quot;Only Tymoshenko can save Ukraine&quot; line is total BYuT bunk.

Yatseniuk is looking 10, 20 years into the future — because he's the one Presidential candidate who can — in 10 years time Tymoshenko, Yanukovych, Tigipko et al. are for retirement.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 11:34 p.m.    

Put out to pasture, if you will.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 4:38 p.m.    

On the subject of rats, don't they also leave a sinking ship?

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 5:57 p.m.    

Well, Banditkovych has invited a whole bunch of rats from rasha to partake of spoils in Ukraine in a huge &quot;Ukraine going out of beezness sale.&quot;

It's not like the rooshan rat oligarchs haven't &quot;invested&quot; in Ukraine before - heck, Kuchma sold a bunch of land in Crimea to some of them.

It's just that now, there's not only an open invitation, but also open encouragement.

More rats coming after the same cheese.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 8:38 p.m.    

Intersting comment, however, last time I was involved in investing in land (2008), it actually took &quot;cross party agreement&quot; shall we say for it to occur. In fact it took certain individuals from 3 different parties and a particular city administration to come to some form of &quot;agreement&quot; for it to happen.

Just because the rats on on differing sides of a political line, I don't think you should be under the impression that they do not all eat cheese all of the time.

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Anonymous July 1, 2010, 6:22 a.m.    

I'm not under that impression.

See my comment below - the reason that Ukraine does not have a true, effective opposition is because the &quot;political elite&quot; are all rats going after the same cheese.

The concept of a &quot;political elite&quot; is not part of a true democracy.

Worse still - a &quot;political elite&quot; that, to a certain extent, protect each other to the detriment of the general population is not part of a true democracy.

Which is why millions of people have left Ukraine, and which is why 50% of Ukraine's economy is underground.

People aren't stupid.

They have learned how to protect themselves from the rats.

No matter how much the rats have learned to spout nice little platitudes from Manafort and others about how great it is that the rats are eating all the cheese &quot;for the good of the people.

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Anonymous June 30, 2010, 10:39 p.m.    

&quot;Rats run after cheese...&quot;

Very European that... to liken your political opponents to vermin.

It's the kind of bullshit populism that Ukraine needs less of.

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Anonymous July 1, 2010, 4:14 p.m.    

Here's the problem I have with Tymoshenko - her concept of democracy still rests on a &quot;benign monarch&quot; - herself - who will &quot;make everything right.&quot;

But the whole point of democracy is to create a system of checks and balances, so that no matter the personalities, the rights of the &quot;least&quot; are protected just as much as the rights of Firtash, Banditkovych, Ganna German, Kolomoisky, Feldman, Lozynsky and others.

The whole point of democracy is to avoid a cult of personalities, whether of stalin, lenin, Banditkovych or Tymoshenko.

Case in point:

- Yanukonvict &quot;rents&quot; Mezhihirya, a 400-acre estate mysteriously and dubiously acquired by co-conspirators of his. He &quot;rents&quot; it on very favorable terms, that noone else, except the thugs in power, could have gotten.

In a recent interview in Ukrainian Pravda, Mustafa Nayem - yet again - asked Ganna German about Mezhihirya (he had also asked Yanukonvict about it during the presidential campaign on the Savik Shuster show, and, of course, Yanukonvict didn't answer - he would not &quot;justify&quot; himself to a journalist, only to the people).

Ganna German's response? &quot;oh, you can write about it all you want, Mustafa.&quot; Meaning, of course, that the thugs are going to continue to steal as much as they want, whenever they want.

- Now, Tymoshenko - who also &quot;rents&quot; mansions in Koncha Zaspa, with its high protective brick walls. She &quot;rents&quot; them from her family - tee-hee, tee-hee, giggle, giggle.

Which is the way she answered the question not too long ago on Kiselyev's &quot;Big Politics&quot; show on the Inter channel.

Not much of an answer.

In each bloc of rats, the list goes on.

Does Tymo think that her rats are any different from Yanukonvict's rats, even if Tymo did predict the full-scale going-out-of-business sale to rasha now going on, and the attempts to stifle the media?

They all came from the same place.

Even rats are able to learn new things.

Until Tymo demonstrates that she has learned something from her defeat, and that she truly understands democracy and wants to implement true democracy - she and her rats are just the same old Ukrainian rats that have been the scourge of Ukraine for 20 years.

Ukraine has already lost a significant amount of time making Akhmetov, Firtash, Lozinsky, Kuchma, Pinchuk, Kolomoisky, Mogilevych, and others very, very wealthy.

Time to get rid of the rats.

Time to get some human beings and democracy - real democracy - into Ukrainian government.

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