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Moscow to declare Katyn massacre victims innocent (updated)

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Oct. 21, 2011, 7:37 p.m. | Russia and former Soviet Union — by Associated Press
MOSCOW (AP) — Moscow is ready to declare thousands of victims of a World War II-era massacre that continues to strain relations with Poland innocent of any crimes, Russia's foreign policy chief announced Friday. About 2,000 Polish officers and other prisoners were executed by Soviet secret police in the Katyn forest of western Russia in 1940 on charges they were enemies of the Soviet state.

The Katyn massacre has been a source of tension between Russia and Poland for decades since the Soviet Union blamed the killings on the Nazis. It was only last year that Russia formally took the blame when the lower chamber of Russian parliament admitted the executions were ordered by Soviet leader Josef Stalin.

Prosecutors closed the criminal case against the Polish officers in 2004.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in a radio interview on Friday that Moscow is "ready to consider a perfectly legitimate request to declare these people innocent."

Several Polish families went to the European Court of Human Rights to prove the victims' innocence. Lavrov said Russia is anxious to work out a solution that would "satisfy families of the Polish officers and keep Russia within the legal framework."

Russia's ambassador to Poland said earlier this year that Russia made a political decision to declare the officers innocent of any crimes against the Soviet Union.

Lavrov confirmed Friday that Moscow and Warsaw are still thinking about how to settle the issue.
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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2011, 8:04 p.m.    

What about the 10 million Ukrainians who were starved to death by Stalin in the Holodomor? What was their crime?

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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2011, 10:12 p.m.    

Russians say they died by accident

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 10:44 a.m.    

Moscow will say, &quot;They were Ukrainians, and that is a SERIOUS crime!&quot;

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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2011, 9:20 p.m.    

smert vsi kurve moskali

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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2011, 9:21 p.m.    

plastic putin and his shit hole country is one big enemy

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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2011, 10:44 p.m.    

&quot;Moscow to declare Katyn massacre victims innocent (updated)&quot;

That is stupid - many of the POOland military murderers did participate in numerous war crimes like attack on the Czhech Republic side by side with their nazi Germany allies in 1938 and starvation to death of thousands Russia POW in POOland concentration camps. What happen to them in Katyn is richly deserved.

PILSUDSKI AND DEATH CAMPS

In 1920-1921 forty-five thousand prisoners of war, soldiers of the Red Army, were put to death in Poland

The number of imprisoned and interned citizens of the soviet republics of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus was a respective 66 and 50 thousand. According to Russian and Belarus emigrants' sources dated 1920-1922 (including reports by the command of the 3rd Russian army and the Belarus People's volunteer army) there were more than 73 thousand Soviet POW in Poland at the time. According to G, Chicherin's (head of the People's Commissariat for Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR) memorandum dated September 9, 1921, to the Polish Embassy in Moscow &quot;…60 thousand of the 130 thousand Russian POW died in Poland during the last two years&quot;. The Polish Embassy did not deny this.

The first signs of trouble surfaced in November 1918, when the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland, L. Vasilevskiy, while warning Moscow of the possible repercussions of detaining the Polish mission in Moscow (this wasn't going on!), officially stated that Warsaw would take measures against Russian citizens in Poland. In spring 1919 almost all staff of the repatriation embassy of the RSFSR, headed by Veselovsky, in Warsaw were killed (see &quot;Tribune Communistichna&quot;, Moscow, February 9, 1920; May 22, 1921).

The Russian-Ukrainian delegation, headed by People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs D. Manuylskiy, which attempted to discover the fate of the POW and internees of 1921-1923, in its final report stated that: &quot;the Polish government saw them as slaves…In some camps detainees were forced, under threat of death, to move their own excrements instead of horses. Punishments… were barbarically severe. Negotiations were ineffective, because of the sabotage of the Polish delegation&quot;. (see, for example, the inquiry for the People's Commissariat for Foreign Affairs of the plenipotentiary of the RSFSR in Warsaw dated August 10, 1922).

Alexander Serafimovich, &quot;Pravda&quot; and &quot;Izvestiya's &quot; special correspondent on the Polish front, also reported on the inhumane treatment of Red Army POW: &quot;The torture and humiliation that Russian prisoners were subject to caused privates of the Polish Army to shudder with horror, but the officers in one voice advocated 'destroying the Red dogs, the Russian occupants'. The attempts of the Russian command to agree on humane treatment of the POW and local inhabitants were ignored by Warsaw. Our country's attempts to alter the situation by asking for the help of the League of Nations and Poland's neighbors also proved fruitless- because of the White Polak's interference.&quot;

The delegation mentioned above was transformed into a special committee in late 1922. But its work was hindered by Trotsky, Tukhachevsky and Gamarnik who led the &quot;attack&quot; on Warsaw. These leaders, who constituted the RSFSR's military command, expressed their lack of interest in the repatriation of POW to the Polish side. Even regular Red Army soldiers knew about this, and those that successfully escaped imprisonment and emigrated to Germany and Lithuania later spoke out about this.

With the help of the Red Cross, A. Serafimovich, Comintern and the Polish Communist party the committee was able to complete a list of 80% of the Soviet soldiers and officers, who remained imprisoned in Poland, had been killed or were missing in action. They planned on publishing this list or at least handing it over to the Polish side. However, the decision was made to add this document into the soviet archive.

Also, let's note that in the 1920s and 30s Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolayevich and Vladimir Kirillovich, the widowed Empress-mother Maria Fedorovna, General A. Denikin and Metropolitan Anthony (then head of the Russian Orthodox Church abroad) attempted to convince Warsaw to at least bury the dead POW in a civilized, Christian manner. However, their appeal was ignored by Warsaw.

AUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAU'S FORERUNNER

The inhuman orders of the Polish command caused the protest of some Polish officers. I. Matushevsky, a colonel of the Joint Staff of the Polish Army, reported to Pilsudski in February 1922: &quot;… the camp at Tuchola was called the camp of death by prisoners; over 22 thousand were killed there…&quot;

Polish, Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian sources state that four such camps existed. But the forerunners of Auschwitz-Maydanek-Katyn were the two most terrifying: at Stashalkovo and Tuchola.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 7:29 a.m.    

What were these 45,000 Russians doing in Poland? Did they go there on holiday?

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2011, 10:13 p.m.    

They were, in their infinite generosity, bringing the Polish people the priceless gift of Bolshevism........

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 3:43 p.m.    

What a lovely collection of lies, falsifications and pure speculation.

Nice that Trotsky is once again &quot;guilty&quot; of something - seems like another stalinist internet ranting to find a scapegoat.

Sadly official data which has been confirmed and not challenged by anyone serious so far gives completely different numbers and more important reasons of death - that is between 19 and 21 thousand dying from diseases which ravaged Poland much like a large part of Europe after the First World War.

In Poland alone over 100 000 people died from such diseases including 60 000 Polish soldiers - I guess they were killed to cover up the &quot;crime&quot; against the Soviet POWs?

In any case detailed data about this subject is easy to access in several books based on archieves, official investigations and observers from neutral countries and communities (such as Orthodox Church) - for example about Tuchola &quot;death camp&quot; where from 22 000 rumoured (by stalinists) &quot;victims&quot; 20 100 died during the First World War (Russians, French, British, Italians even some Poles) under German government and the rest amounted circa 1800 Soviets dying during the winter 1920/21 and 3 Ukrainians (from the war in 1919) - we even know their NAMES.

Purchasing one of such books obviously is too expensive for our lovely internet stalinists - I guess that

http://www.kopernikanska.pl/prod_25589_Tuchola._Oboz_jencow_i_internowanych_1914-1923_t._1_cz._2._C.html

ONE Polish Zloty (c. 33 US cents, 25 Euro cents) is too much...

Also maybe Poland isn't perfect but there are historians who know how to research subjects in impartial manner using REAL facts and real archieves - not something manufactured by Soviet &quot;experts&quot;.

BTW Another explanation might be that since over 2000 Russians from those POWs decided to change sites and fight AGAINST Lenin's &quot;liberators&quot; they HAVE to be dead - noone can betray the &quot;worker's paradise&quot;.

Have a nice reading - link is above.

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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2011, 10:50 p.m.    

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/66315/ Lviv museum recounts Soviet massacres

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinnytsia_massacre : Vinnytsia

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/40516/ Day of remembrance for victims of political repression be held in Ukraine on May 17: Bykivnya

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/ukraine/detail/99297/ : Dobromyl

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 12:41 a.m.    

Russians declaring them innocent....not quite!

What they should be declaring is Russians GUILTY of murder!

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 10:55 p.m.    

Millions of Ukrainians have relatives that live in Russia. Don't forget that. The Former Mayor of St petersburg Russia was born in Western Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 11:37 p.m.    

Indeed, the largest and most important Ukraine diaspora lives in Russia and provides over 30% of the Ukraine GDP. For comparison the murderous xoxol nazi scum diaspora holed in yankistan and canukistan do not contribute with anything but prostitution and sex slave trafficking to Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2011, 7:06 a.m.    

Do you get a sexual thrill from busting out this load of nonsense?

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2011, 11:34 p.m.    

Too bad only 2000 Poland war criminals were rightfully punished for their crimes against the 44000 USSR POW, Poland murdered in their death camps 1920.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2011, 4:49 a.m.    

Repeating the same lie over and over hysterically does not make it true.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2011, 5:13 p.m.    

sober up and take down Stalin's portrait off your wall...go to church instead

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