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Nov. 17, 2011, 9:54 p.m. | Russia and former Soviet Union — by Reuters

Russia's leaders said the new Eurasian Union that Moscow wants to create would build on the best values of the Soviet Union.
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MOSCOW, Nov 17 (Reuters) - Russia's leaders said on Thursday the new Eurasian Union that Moscow wants to create would build on the best values of the Soviet Union. Vladimir Putin, who plans to seek his third term as president in an election in March 2012, outlined last month his vision for the new body which would build on an existing Customs Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan.

Speaking to Russian pensioners and World War Two veterans in the Kremlin ahead of a parliamentary election in just over two weeks, President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin played up their nostalgia about Soviet times.

"You remember the kind of words that accompanied the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was a very hard, sad time," Medvedev said. "We are working now to unite on a new basis, and I am certain that this union will have a very good future."

Medvedev and Putin will host the presidents of ex-Soviet Belarus and Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev and Alexander Lukashenko, in Moscow on Friday to discuss ways of further integration into the Eurasian Union.

"We would like for each state that wants to join the Customs Union, the Common Economic Space, and in future the Eurasian Union, to make that choice consciously, so that nobody then says they were roped in," Medvedev said.

Critics have said the Russian integration drive aims to restore the Soviet empire -- a personal ambition of Putin, a former KGB agent who called the collapse of the USSR "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century".

Most Russians have positive memories of the USSR in the 1970s and early 1980s for its stability and high social security standards which disappeared after its collapse in 1991.

"I could not have dreamt up in a worst nightmare what started happening after the collapse of the Soviet Union," Medvedev told the pensioners who presented him and Putin with homemade woollen mittens and socks.

MEANS OF SURVIVAL

Putin said earlier that his integration drive was not an attempt to capitalise on the nostalgic mood among the older generations. He said it was pursuing purely economic goals and modelled on the European Union.

Medvedev, who plans to step down as president and has been promised the post of prime minister by his mentor Putin, said the Soviet Union had succeeded in creating "a Soviet people" from many different nationalities.

"This model had worked and this was an absolutely legitimate goal. It did not have any ideological colours," Medvedev said. "It was a means of survival for the giant nation living on the vast territory of our country."

Russia is facing a rising wave of nationalism, mostly among ethnic Russians angry about an influx of migrants from the poor North Caucasus region, as well as from the former Soviet countries where living standards are lower.

The two leaders face difficulties in addressing the potentially explosive issue in their election campaigns. Medvedev said the Soviet experience could help.

"We should not be shy when bringing back the ideas of ethnic unity. Yes, we are all different but we have common values and a desire to live in a single big state," Medvedev said.
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Anonymous Nov. 17, 2011, 10:52 p.m.    

The Soviet Union sucked. Murderous Bolshevik Bastards!!!

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 10:01 p.m.    

As long as ethnic russians are dying it is OK with me....

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 2:21 a.m.    

Innocent people? Children? Out of curiosity, where are you from that you are so sinister?

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Anonymous Nov. 17, 2011, 10:58 p.m.    

Sounds like another piece of blatant disinformation, inflamatory hype and spin. I wouldn't read too much into this article.

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Anonymous Nov. 17, 2011, 11:48 p.m.    

stupid rusians have 12 more years of being pulled by the nose :)))))

u need a revolution

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 2:36 a.m.    

Are you going to kick-start it?

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 1:33 a.m.    

HA HA HA, typical half baked western propaganda - the western morons are so screwed they seek a calf under the bull to distract attention form the inherent western systemic greed, stupidity and impotence.

Medvedev is absolutely correct - the xenophobic nationalism and nazism widespread in xoxol Ukraine did not existed during the USSR times, and different nationalities lived far more harmoniously compared to now days.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 7:47 p.m.    

Kuban region:

Ukrainian lands go well past the present day borders of Ukraine:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukrainians_en.svg

Ukrainian settlement of Kuban first started in 1792 when the Black Sea Cossack Host was given the rights to these lands by the Empress Katherine II. According to the Ukaz of 30.6. and 1.7.1792 these lands were handed over to the Black Sea Cossacks “for eternity”. Therefore, the kremlin should give back the Kuban also.

The 1897 census combined both the Russian and Ukrainian population together. Together they made up 97.64% of the population. The number of Ukrainian language speakers was 859,122 (49.1%).The number of Russian language speakers was 732,283. (41.1%)[1]. The ethnographer Pavlo Chubynsky stated that the number of Ukrainians in the Kuban was understated and that they also made up 60% of those who put down Russian as their language were of Ukrainian ethnicity. The ethnographer and statistician O. Rusov also noted a similar number in his writings. [2].

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kuban_1926.png

Ethnographic map of the Slavic peoples prepared by Czech ethnographer Lubor Niederle showing territorial boundaries of Slavic languages in Eastern Europe in the mid 1920&amp;#8242;s:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Ethnographic_map_of_Slavs%2C_Lubor_Niederle.JPG

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 11:44 p.m.    

Kuban region:

There were chilling excerpts from Soviet documents, one of which was signed by Viacheslav Molotov, the chairman of the Council of People’s Commissars of the USSR, who led the Extraordinary Commission for State Grain Deliveries in Ukraine: “The question is as follows: if we have grain, the Soviet power will exist. If there is no grain, the Soviet power will die. Who has grain at the moment?

The reactionary Ukrainian peasants and the reactionary Kuban Cossacks. They won’t give the grain of their own will. We have to take it.”

http://www.day.kiev.ua/201332/

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 10:14 p.m.    

HA, HA, HA, kiryll, patriarch of russia is in Lebanon and Syria. The russian patriarch/kgb operative had that great urge to pray in Syria right now, in the middle of the civil war and spread orthodoxy among the muslims or he is simply trying to take care of old WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION that were taken from Iraq and hidden in Syria just before Saddam's fall. Now history repeats itself, the last vestiges of WMD still in Syria have to be taken out or destroyed before Assad's regime falls. I must say that during the Polish EU Presidency russia is finally totally humiliated .....

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 4:44 a.m.    

The Holodomor of 1932-1933 and the 1939 invasion and occupation of Ukraine were very harmonious acts by the Russians.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 11:51 a.m.    

Ukraine was already part of the USSR well prior to 1939, unless of course by &quot;Ukraine&quot; you mean just the western tip. If so, then you clearly think that the rest of today's Ukraine was, what, Russia? The Holodomor was not something that just occurred in Ukraine, it was wide-spread in southern Russia too, places like the Don region, the Volga region where millions of people died of hunger as a result of the collectivisation by the Soviet government. So it is not wise, although may be convenient for some political agenda or propaganda, to hang this on the Russians rather than the Bolsheviks. Otherwise, we are simply deluding ourselves.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 9:53 p.m.    

Dearie, there is stupidity and there is RUSSIAN stupidity. Bolsheviks equal russians, of course. Why then in the whole so called soviet block the second language was russian - shouldn't it be german or yidish, after all your soviet heroes; Marx and Engels were German Jews. Anyway the attempt to spread so called russian culture and language through the comunist propaganda failed miserably - russian language truly becoming the local dialect....in case you haven't noticed.....

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 2:16 a.m.    

Doesn't make sense. What are you actually saying? Where are you from?

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Anonymous Nov. 23, 2011, 5:45 p.m.    

85% of the &quot;Red Army&quot; that occupied UKRAINE were Russian. This 85% does NOT include Tatars, Chechens, etc.

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 12:52 a.m.    

Don region :

The Holodomor affected almost all parts of interwar Soviet Ukraine, but it grew to massive proportions in the republic’s southern and eastern oblasts.

It also occurred in the territories bordering on the Ukrainian SSR that were populated mostly by Ukrainians, such as the Kuban and the Don region.

Only an insignificant part of the population—the privileged rural Communist functionaries, who were served by a special distribution system—did not experience hunger. Urban inhabitants and industrial regions suffered less, because they received food rations. But the peasants were forced to try to survive on various food surrogates. Consequently mass starvation and disease became rampant, and occurrences of cannibalism were reported. Whoever had the strength fled to the cities, to the industrial Donets Basin, or to Russia in search of food. Peasants who were caught were repressed or returned to their starving villages, where the vast majority perished alongside those who had been too weak or ill to attempt escape.

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?AddButton=pages\F\A\Famine6Genocideof1932hD73.htm

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:18 a.m.    

Don region :

In March 1918 Yevhen Konovalets riflemen together with the Zaporizhia Corps of the Ukrainian People's Republic, and the reformed Haydamaky Kish of the Sloboda Ukraine liberated Kyiv from the Soviets.

The below map will show that the people targeted by the kremlin in the Don area were Ukrainian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sloboda_Ukr.png

Five to Six million (5,000,000 – 6,000,000) ethnic Russians later poured into these “vacated” {PRONOUNCED GENOCIDE}, cultivated and furnished areas, dramatically altering their ethnic makeup and laying the ground for bitter disputes that continue to this day.

{When the kremlin, and others, talk about the number of Ukrainians that were massacred by the kremlin during the HOLODOMOR, they do not take into account that the “vacated” houses and villages in Ukraine were replenished by Russians.}

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hungersnot_ukraine.jpg

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 6:09 p.m.    

How many dead bodies were on the streets of Leningrad during 1939-1942?

How many times did Kiev mourn the Victims of GENOCIDE perpetuated by nazi Germany and their Ukraine DUPA arselickers?

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 8:56 p.m.    

kremlinoids can not disprove my factual statements, so some insane evil pervert decided to use my name (LES). They are ashamed to use their own name because their comments are nonsensical, and/or they were never baptized. As usual, the kremlinoids use intentional disinformation, just like the kremlin intentionally murdered 10,000,000's of Ukrainians.

PS &quot;The Museum of World War II in the capital Kiev has a simple sign on marble which states: 'In 1940 in Ukraine lived 41.3 million people. In 1945 - 27.4 million people.'

PPS How many &quot;Russians&quot; did &quot;Russia&quot; lose during the &quot;great patriotic war&quot; when Moscow started WWII with Hitler?

PPPS If the insanely delusional savage uncivilized pagan barbarians in the Kremlin did not murder over 40,000 Russian (and other) Intelligentsia and army officers in 1937, then the Nazis would not have reached Leningrad, and UKRAINE would not have lost over ten million (10,000,000). But, the Moskali do not care if Russians or UKRAINIANS die.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 9:02 p.m.    

How many dead bodies were shrewn on the streets of moscow, stalingrad, and leningrad in 1932/33?

There were thousands of dead bodies shrewn on the streets of Kyiv, Kharkiv, and other Ukrainian cities in 1932/33.

Rafael Lemkin who coined the term “genocide”, called the Holodomor a classic case of Soviet {PRONOUNCED : Kremlin} genocide.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 6:23 p.m.    

Holodomor is inept invention by the nazi xoxol criminals expelled by the Ukraine people after the WW2.

The Famine of 1932-1933 was wide spread and did include the lands controlled by Poland too, due to drought and bad harvest. The USSR suffered the most due to the Stalin collectivization and industrialization drive which affected the russian population in the so called E Ukraine, Kazakstan and Volga region. Russia must sue the Ukraine xoxols who were especially driven to obey the orders of Stalin, because like now days Ukraine and Gruzia are in cohots to commit genocide against rusians as the events of 2008 S Ossetia demonstrate.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 12:57 p.m.    

How many dead bodies were on the streets of Moscow during 1932-1933?

How many times did Moscow mourn the Victims of HOLODOMOR?

PS Moscow admits that there was no USSR - only a continuation of the Russian empire.

Патріарх Кирил: &quot;Розпад Союзу - це крах історичної Росії&quot;

http://www.istpravda.com.ua/short/2011/11/12/62139/

Патріарх Кирило назвав розпад СРСР &quot;катастрофою історичної Росії&quot;

http://tsn.ua/svit/patriarh-kirilo-nazvav-rozpad-srsr-katastrofoyu-istorichnoyi-rosiyi.html

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/116870/#ixzz1dw6wlAIN

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/116005/20/page/1/#comment-151051#ixzz1e3FkQ2eD

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 1:38 p.m.    

Volga region?

That the Holodomor was directed against the Ukrainians precisely as a nationality is also shown by the fact that it took place not only within the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, but also in the Volga region and North Caucasus, where at that time a majority of the population consisted of ethnic Ukrainians.

Thus, according to the data of the 1926 census, 3,106,000 Ukrainians resided in the North Caucasus, of whom 62% of the population in the Kuban called themselves Ukrainians, while in some of its districts this indicator exceeded 80% and even 90%.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 1:46 p.m.    

&gt;&gt; 1930’s In the 1930's the authentic UKRAINIAN kobzar tradition of wandering musicians in Ukraine came to an end; there was also a wave of arrests of bandurists in the Kuban. Many of these arrested bandurists received relatively light sentences of 5-10 years camp detentions or exile, usually in Siberia.

Also, most of the UKRAINIAN bandurists were murdered!

The Kuban area also suffered HOLODOMOR because, in 1929, most of the area was UKRAINIAN. The so-called Russians who died in the Kuban and Lower Volga were almost entirely UKRAINIANS. Entire regions of Ukraine were depopulated and UKRAINIANS were replaced by Russians.

Here is a map of the UKRAINIANS in the Kuban region in 1926:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kuban_1926.png

Throughout the 1930's UKRAINIAN bandurists were constantly being arrested and taken off for questioning which may have lasted some months. Many were constantly harassed. Whereas in the early 1930s those incriminated received relatively light sentences of 2-5 years the period starting with 1937-38 the sentences were often fatal and immediate - death by shooting.

In 1937-38 large numbers of UKRAINIAN bandurists were executed. Documents have survived of the many individual executions of UKRAINIAN bandurists and kobzars of this period. So far the documentation of 41 UKRAINIAN bandurists sentenced to be shot have been found with documents attesting to approximately 100 receiving sentences of between 10-17 years. Often those UKRAINIANS that were arrested were often tortured to obtain a confession.

Sentences were pronounced by a Troika and were dealt out swiftly within hours or days of the hearing. The families of those UKRAINIANS that were executed were often told that the UKRAINIAN bandurist had been sent to a camp without the right to correspond.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kucherenko_shoot.jpeg

Many UKRAINIAN bandurists and kobzars were persecuted by the authorities that controlled Ukraine at various times because of the association of the bandura to the Cossack past and aspects of UKRAINIAN history which the kobzars would glorify in their songs and epics.

Kobzars were usually blind musicians and poets. When the kremlin exterminated {PRONOUNCED - GENOCIDE} them, the kremlin was also destroying the culture, traditions, and history of the UKRAINIAN people.

It is hard to establish the exact number of UKRAINIAN bandurists who were persecuted in various ways. As more information has been coming to light, the number of UKRAINIAN musicians who were arrested, interned or executed has continued to rise. It is unmatched in any other folk music or bardic tradition in Europe.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 1:06 p.m.    

Volga region?

The Volga Germans were murdered during The HOLODOMORS {PRONOUNCED PLURAL} also.

The Russian famine of 1921, which began in the early spring of that year, lasted through 1922. Food and grain was confiscated by Red Army and communist party members to supply St. Petersburg and Moscow shops, while peasants (mainly Volga and Ukraine steps) where left to die from starvation.

PS Food was left to rot (or burned) in food storage areas while UKRAINIANS were murdered by starvation - as Moscow used famine as a weapon.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 1:59 p.m.    

&quot;Everyone was dying of hunger - the young, the old, everyone.&quot;

&quot;That's where my four children died. 'Look, said a doctor, 'the children are dead, yet they walk as if they were alive. They are dead, yet still they move.' A day or two later they too died. Every one.&quot;

Victor Kravchenko&quot;Harvest in Hell&quot;:

&quot;What I saw that morning ... was inexpressibly horrible. On a battlefield men die quickly, they fight back ... Here I saw people dying in solitude by slow degrees, dying hideously, without the excuse of sacrifice for a cause. They had been trapped and left to starve, each in his own home, by a political decision made in a far-off capital around conference and banquet tables. There was not even the consolation of inevitability to relieve the horror.

&quot;The most terrifying sights were the little children with skeleton limbs dangling from balloon-like abdomens. Starvation had wiped every trace of youth from their faces, turning them into tortured gargoyles; only in their eyes still lingered the reminder of childhood. Everywhere we found men and women lying prone (weak from hunger), their faces and bellies bloated, their eyes utterly expressionless.&quot;

&quot;Villages were surrounded and laid waste, set to the torch, attacked by tanks and artillery and bombs from the air. A Secret Police Colonel, almost sobbing, told the writer Isaac Deutscher:

&quot;I am an old Bolshevik. I worked in the underground against the Tsar and then I fought in the civil war. Did I do all that in order that I should now surround villages with machine-guns and order my men to fire indiscriminately into crowds of peasants? Oh no, no!&quot;

One Moscow agent, mighty Hatayevich, in reprimanding Comrade Victor Kravchenko, one of 100,000 men &quot;selected by the Central Committee of the Party&quot; to help in Collectivization said:

&quot;... I'm not sure that you understand what has been happening. A ruthless struggle is going on between the peasantry and our regime. It's a struggle to the death. This year (1933) was a test of our strength and their endurance. It took a famine to show them who is master here. It has cost millions of lives, but the collective farm system is here to stay, We've won the war.&quot;

Hatayevich, Secretary of the Regional Committee of the Dnipropetrovsk Communist Party and one of the foremost Communist in the Ukrainian SSR reveals here that the famine was intentional, that it took millions of lives, and that he considered it a &quot;war&quot; against the Ukrainian farmers.

http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 4:01 p.m.    

I think you are missing the point. I am not sure that the collectivisation that produced the hunger was aimed specifically at Ukrainians. You seem to agree with that. However, you also seem to deniy that a lot of non-Ukrainians died of hunger at the same time. It is like saying that the only people that were murdered during WWII were Jews. I don't think that anyone should monopolise the tragedy of the collectivisation years.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 4:18 p.m.    

I will repeat my often asked question:

How many Russians died during the HOLODOMORS?

If Moscow kills a handful of Russians - then it is not GENOCIDE.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 6:54 p.m.    

So, you are saying that non-Ukrainian victims should not be entitled to the same level of compassion? I am not trying to belittle the Holodomor. What I am saying is that you are accusing the Russians rather than the Bolsheviks (whose ranks were comprised of Ukrainians too). In doing so you are either showing your ignorance of the fact that a lot of Russians died because of Stalin's collectivisation and repressions or you are just monopolising the tragedy for political or ideological reasons. Are you essentially anti-Russian no matter what? If you are, then this discussion is like a broken pencil - i.e. pointless.

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 4:54 a.m.    

Your &quot;PC&quot; words, &quot;Bolsheviks&quot; or &quot;collectivisation&quot; are pointless. The Moskali have been trying to destroy UKRAINIANS - for centuries. And, they are still trying to Russify UKRAINIANS today.

What I want to speak about is perhaps the classic example of Soviet genocide, its longest and broadest experiment in Russification – the destruction of the Ukrainian nation.

Each is a case in the long-term policy of liquidation of non-Russian peoples by the removal of select parts.

It is no wonder that the [Russian] Communist leaders have attached the greatest importance to the Russification of this independent [minded – R.S.] member of their “Union of Republics,” have determined to remake it to fit their pattern of one Russian nation.

For the Ukrainian is not and has never been, a Russian. His culture, his temperament, his language, his religion – all are different.

51,713 Ukrainian intellectuals were sent to Siberia in 1931 alone. At least 114 major poets, writers and artists, the most prominent cultural leaders of the nation, have met the same fate. It is conservatively estimated that at least 75 percent of the Ukrainian intellectuals and professional men in Western Ukraine, Carpatho-Ukraine and Bukovina have been brutally exterminated by the Russians. (Ibid., Summer 1949).

Between 1926 and 1939, the population of Ukraine changed from 80 percent Ukrainian to only 73 percent.[8]

http://www.ukemonde.com/lemkin/

It is important that, generally speaking, the famine in Ukraine spared the city with a predominantly non-Ukrainian population; similarly in the countryside, where the famine did not affect local governments (mostly Russian), responsible for the procurement of grain, and the the forced collectivization of agriculture.

PS Why do you hate the Russian children so much - that you will not tell them the truth?

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 5:01 a.m.    

Andrei Bogolyubsky

In 1169 his troops took Kiev. After plundering the city including stealing much religious artwork, he returned to the northeast afterwards.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/politics/detail/115714/#ixzz1e7HfREbr

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 5:05 a.m.    

The following denationalizing trends aimed against the Ukrainian people must be placed on record in Ukrainian and Russian history:

• Alex of Russia’s order to punish the publishers of Ukrainian books with death (1667);

• Catherine II’s secret letter of instruction to Prince Rumyantsev, Governor General of Ukraine, concerning Russification of the populace, “so they stop looking for foreign alliances (1764)”;

• Decree by Russia’s Minister of Education Shishkov (1824), reading that “any word in Little Russian must be banned because it threatens Russia’s integrity as a state;

• Russia’s Interior Minister Peter Valuyev’s circular (1863), to the effect that no textbooks, literary works can be published in Ukrainian because this language “has never existed and shall never exist”;

• His 1870 successor Tolstoy’s directive read that “all people who represent other ethnic groups must be Russified…”

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/116005/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz1e7IpNHxH

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 5:27 p.m.    

I don't hate Russian children and I certainly want them to learn the truth, but I don't claim to own the truth, nor do I seek to endulge in denial or impose my ownn version of the truth through insults and xenophobia. That I find immature and irresponsible. Am I right in thinking that you are a Canadian of Ukrainian extraction?

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Anonymous Nov. 22, 2011, 1:35 p.m.    

About two years ago - The Times of London reports:

In Russian schools, something even more troubling appears to be happening. They call it “positive history” and the man behind it is Putin. In 2007, the former secret police chief told a conference of Russian educationists that the country needed a more patriotic history. Putin condemned teachers for having “porridge in their heads”, attacked some history textbook authors for taking foreign money — “naturally they are dancing the polka ordered by those who pay them” — and announced that new history textbooks were on their way. Within weeks, a new law was passed giving the state powers to approve and to disallow history textbooks for schools.

What does Igor Dolutsky, the author of a history textbook that has been dropped by the Kremlin, make of “positive history”? “It’s an appalling idea which hinders proper teaching in schools. School history should not create patriots, it should teach children to think. Putin’s task is to rule a state edging towards totalitarianism.”

It is when you analyse the Kremlin approved “positive history” book in detail that the clock chimes 13. In March 1933 a fearless reporter and fluent Russian speaker, Gareth Jones, evaded the Moscow censors and went to the Soviet Ukraine and southern Russia, from where he reported that “millions are dying in the villages”. The “Great Famine” deaths were caused by the Kremlin's forced collectivisation, grain seizures and mass deportations of peasant farmers. Malcolm Muggeridge declared it a man-made famine and Arthur Koestler wrote of seeing “horrible infants with enormous, wobbling heads, stick-like limbs, swollen, pointed bellies . . .”

Back in Moscow, the Great Famine was denied by Stalin’s stooge on The New York Times, Walter Duranty. Two years later, Jones was shot dead in China, some say by Stalin’s secret police, the NKVD.

But that war started in 1939, not 1941, when Hitler’s forces invaded the Soviet Union. In August 1939, Hitler’s Foreign Minister, Ribbentrop, met Stalin in Moscow and signed the Nazi-Soviet Pact — “the midnight of the century”. For almost two years, the British attempt to blockade the Nazis in the Atlantic was overcome by Soviet trains shipping raw materials to Germany. In the first four months of 1941 alone, Stalin sent Hitler a quarter of a million tons of petrol and three quarters of a million tons of grain.

And how does the “positive history” textbook handle the Soviet appeasement of Nazi Germany? It doesn’t. Filippov says: “Stalin didn’t help Hitler. He traded and both countries benefited from this trade.”

I asked him where in his book does it explain that, while Stalin was trading with Hitler, Britain was fighting Hitler? Does it mention the Battle of Britain? The Battle of the Atlantic?

Filippov: “As for the fact that Germany fought with England, of course it is mentioned. But the book does not mention the Battle of the Atlantic. You think that at all costs we have to write that between 1939 and 1941 there was trade between the Soviet Union and Germany? Am I right?”

Sweeney: “Yes I bloody do! It matters very much that Stalin helped Hitler while we were fighting Hitler.”

On page 424 of his book, Filippov writes: “the anti-Fascist coalition was rather a strange one during the whole of the Second World War. The people of one of its members — the Soviet Union — spilt blood on its battlefields. The other members of the coalition (Great Britain and especially the US) limited themselves mainly to supplying arms, materials and provisions to the USSR until a decisive turning point was reached during the war. At the end of the war they tried to benefit from the fruits of the general victory and did not even have any scruples about holding separate (unilateral) talks with the enemy.”

Britain and America did not hold separate or unilateral peace talks with the Nazis. That is simply untrue.

The author goes on to make an extraordinary claim. He cites two speeches made in 1941 by Harry Truman, then a senator, and Winston Churchill, and summarises Western policy in 1941: “All these plans were essentially a continuation of the appeasement policy that the Western powers started in the prewar years.”

My family history helps me here. My late father was a ship’s engineer in the Merchant Navy during the Battle of the Atlantic. His impression of hearing a depth-charge go off when the destroyers were hunting subs — “BOOM!” — was a great turn in the pub. Roy Billen, the father of my friend, the Times writer Andrew Billen, was in the RAF dropping bombs on Germany. In 1941 many of their friends died fighting Hitler. Yet now we learn that they were appeasing the Nazis.

On what happened during the Second World War, Russia’s new government approved history book tells lies.

But the “positive history” version of Stalin’s Terror is truly frightening. From 1925 to 1953, millions of people were killed on Stalin’s command — which is why Trotsky called him “the gravedigger of the revolution”. Some were shot, some were tortured and died, some perished of hunger and cold in the gulag. No one knows how many died because objective historians have found it difficult if not impossible to gain access to the secret police archives, but the estimates of Terror victims killed range from three million to more than 20 million.

How does the “positive history” book cover this? It quotes one number for people killed — specifically, those condemned to death: 786,000.

Sweeney: “Where does it say in your book that millions died in Stalin’s Terror?”

Filippov: “Let’s have a look. Here is the bit about the repressions, and it is spread over three pages.”

Sweeney: “So 786,000 were condemned to death. Where does it say that millions died? It’s not there, is it?”

Filippov appeared to search for a reference, in vain.

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Anonymous Nov. 22, 2011, 1:59 p.m.    

The Wren Library, Cambridge's Exhibit Of Gareth's Diaries

&quot;In the Ukraine. A little later. I crossed the border from Great Russia into Ukraine. Everywhere I talked to peasants who walked past – they all had the same story:

“There is no bread – we haven’t had bread for over 2 months – a lot are dying.”

The first village had no more potatoes left and the store of Б&amp;#1198;РЯК (beetroot) was running out.

…[with] a bearded peasant who was walking along . His feet were covered with sacking. We started talking. He spoke in Ukrainian. I gave him [a] lump of bread and of cheese.

“You could not buy that anywhere for 20 roubles. There just is no food.”

We walked along and talked; “Before the war this was all gold. We had horses and cows and pigs and chickens. Now we are ruined. [We are] ПОГИБЛИ (the living dead). You see that field. It was all gold, but now look at the weeds. The weeds were peeping up over the snow.”

“Before the war we could have boots and meat and butter. We were the richest country in the world for grain. We fed the world. Now they have taken all away from us.

http://www.garethjones.org/Gareth_Jones_diaries.htm

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Anonymous Nov. 22, 2011, 2:12 p.m.    

Holodomor Report from Gareth Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Keti_-MOI&amp;feature=player_embedded

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Anonymous Nov. 23, 2011, 5:55 p.m.    

Як створити образ ворога? Україна в російських підручниках

#24. Голодомор 1933 року&quot;не був геноцидом&quot; українського народу, бо:

- голод відбувся внаслідок посухи;

- голод був Божою карою для українців за участь у атеїстичних кампаніях влади.

How do I create an image of the enemy? Ukraine in Russian textbooks :

#24. Holodomor of 1933 &quot;was not a genocide,&quot; of the Ukrainian people, because:

- the famine was due to drought;

- the famine was God's punishment for Ukrainians participation in their atheistic government's campaigns.

http://www.istpravda.com.ua/digest/2011/09/18/54961/

PS KGB Kirill of the Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot;, in union with the Kremlin, is teaching his &quot;flock&quot; that God murdered millions (1,000,000's) of Ukrainians because the Ukrainians were atheists.

In reality, the Kremlin murdered tens of thousands (10,000's) of Ukrainian priests, clergy, and their families in the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's.

In reality, the Kremlin closed or destroyed all of the Ukrainian Churches in the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's.

In reality, the Kremlin stole the Ukrainian Churchs' land and property.

In reality, the Kremlin gave the Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot; Ukrainian Churches' lands and property.

In reality, Moscow will not allow a single UKRAINIAN CHURCH registered in Russia - of any denomination.

NOT EVEN ONE UKRAINIAN CHURCH REGISTERED IN RUSSIA TODAY !

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/113906/20/page/1/#comment-142109#ixzz1Zcsmv5L4

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/113957/#ixzz1Zdbb3NNW

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/113979/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz1eXokLTp3

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 8:16 p.m.    

Kazakhstan region:

The logic there implies that since the kremlin orchestrated many other GENOCIDES elsewhere, then it should not be considered GENOCIDE because it is the standard policy, procedure, and practice of the kremlin?

&gt;&gt; 1930 The kremlin relocated many Ukrainians to Kazakhstan, the kremlin begins to orchestrate another GENOCIDE on the territory of Kazakhstan. By 1932, about 80% {?} of the non-russians in the territory of Kazakhstan are exterminated and some villages did not have any living children.

http://www.rferl.org/content/A_Tragedy_Kazakhstan_Must_Never_Forget/1357455.html

In 1930 the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church was liquidated, not because it was a religious institution (the Russian Orthodox Church was never outlawed) but because it was independent of Moscow.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 9:20 p.m.    

Kazakhstan region:

The doors were locked and never opened. There were Red army guards.

The doors weren’t opened until we reached the destination in southern Kazakhstan or somewhere. There they unloaded us out onto the frozen ground. It was the start of January. We stayed to weed sugar-beet. Everyone was dying of hunger—the young, the old, everyone.”

“That’s where my four children died. ‘Look, said a doctor, ‘the children are dead, yet they walk as if they were alive. They are dead, yet still they move.’ A day or two later they too died. Every one.” The interviewer then asks whether she had any more children. “No. I didn’t want another family. I felt sorry for the children. I didn’t want any more,” she says, as her ancient face trembles with emotion and she is unable to go on. Another survivor, a man, says bluntly: “It was genocide. I had six uncles. They, with families of sometimes seven, were all deported. After a month none of them were alive. Not one.” He finds the memories too bitter to be borne, and asks that the interview be ended.

As more than one informant reports, this village was “on the blacklist”. Why? “Because they were Cossacks and kulaks, which had to be disposed of. Basically, the Cossacks had to be disposed of.”

In these non-Russian areas “each household held, either in ownership or under lease, a parcel of land which it cultivated as it pleased” [Pipes 1991: 98].

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 9:24 p.m.    

PS Several of my family members were sent to the gulags. Most of them were UKRAINIAN teenage girls. None of them were able to give birth when they returned. If you can think, then you can figure out the reasons. [I would explain, but vulgar language is not allowed in this forum.]

How many UKRAINIAN children missed the opportunity to be born in UKRAINE?

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 7:23 p.m.    

1934 This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:

“Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence.”

- V. Danilov et al., Sovetskaia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572

PS Neither was there a drought and bad harvest in UKRAINE, nor was there a HOLODOMOR on the lands controlled by Poland.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 7:25 p.m.    

In 1932 Ukraine had an average grain harvest of 146.6 million centers (15.5 million centers more than in 1928), and there was no climatic danger of famine. Yet, because of onerous forced grain requisition quotas that the kremlin imposed upon the Ukrainian rural population, the peasants already experienced hunger in the spring of 1932.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 7:30 p.m.    

By 1933 there were numerous incidents of cannibalism, and this despite the fact that the 1932 Fall harvest had been a good one. States Dolot, “From the very start of the harvest to the end, not a single pound of wheat had been distributed to the village inhabitants. Nothing was left for them. We were told that all the grain had to be transported to the railroad stations.

We also learned that there it had been dumped on the ground, covered in tarpaulins, and left to rot.”

Source: Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 7, no. 2, pp. 229-231.

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 12:55 a.m.    

After WWII?

That such was the conclusion the Italian Ambassador, who wrote in a telegram ( July 11 , 1933) to his Minister of Foreign Affairs: &quot;The government is extremely skillfully took advantage of hunger as a weapon.&quot;

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:22 a.m.    

After WWII?

On May 28, 1934 Congressman Hamilton Fish of New York introduced a resolution (H. Res. 309) in the House of Representatives in Washington. The document stipulated that “several millions of the population of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic” died of starvation during 1932 and 1933.” The Resolution further proposed:

“that the House of Representatives express its sympathy for all those who suffered from the great famine in Ukraine which has brought misery, affliction, and death to millions of peaceful and law-abiding Ukrainians”;

“that . . . the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics . . . take active steps to alleviate the terrible consequences arising from this famine”;

“that . . . the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Government will place no obstacles in the way of American citizens seeking to send aid in form of money, foodstuffs, and necessities to the famine-stricken region of Ukraine.”

- Switzerland seems to be the only country that took a hard line concerning the famine as the League of Nations voted to accept the Soviet Union for membership in 1934.

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:25 a.m.    

After WWII?

A document prepared by Polish intelligence in September 1932 states: “Nearly all of Ukraine is traveling in search of bread, the trains are packed to the rafters; to get on a train [people] have to stand in lineups for several days”.

This situation quickly changed after so-called food blockades of Ukraine’s borders were erected in the fall and winter of 1932-33.

The blockades were manned by interior troops and the red army, who prevented Ukrainian peasants from leaving the country and, hence, spreading information about the famine.

Also instituted at this time was a ban on what was known as a food “reverse”, which meant that private individuals were not permitted to bring food into Ukraine from Russia and Belarus without the state’s permission, with the volume of food products entering the republic restricted by a special decision.

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:28 a.m.    

After WWII?

This is what is recorded in a report by the Polish consul, who took a trip from Kharkiv to Moscow in May 1933:

“During my entire journey I was most struck by the difference in the appearance of the villages and fields of Ukraine in comparison with the neighboring TsChO (Central Chernozem oblast) and even with the non-grain-producing vicinities of Moscow.

Ukrainian villages are in significant decline; emptiness, desolation, and destitution waft from them; houses are in a semi-collapsed state, often with [missing] roofs that have been torn off; new homesteads are nowhere to be seen; children and elderly people resemble skeletons; there is no sign of livestock… When I later ended up in the TsChO (at first, in the vicinities of Kursk and Orel), I had the impression that I had arrived in Western Europe from the Country of Soviets.

There are significantly more plowed and sown fields, the villages are clean, more decent, the houses are restored, and relatively greater well-being is evident among the people; you can see cattle grazing…”

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:31 a.m.    

After WWII?

In June 1932 the Japanese consul in Odesa undertook a long journey through various regions of the USSR.

He reported that “in comparison with the peasants of other republics, Ukrainian peasants make a pitiful impression with their ragged clothing, their emaciated bodies, and their begging: even in large railway stations peasants and their wives and children stretch out their hands for alms and beg for bread…”

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:34 a.m.    

After WWII?

In July 1933 a female Polish consular official based in Kharkiv noted that the epidemic had not abated in the summer but instead had grown, affecting increasingly wider strata of the population.

She writes:

“The mortality rate is rising every day. There are very many beggars on the streets; lately, small children have been seen with greater frequency”.

In the same month, July 1933, the Italian consul in Kharkiv notes:

“Some doctors have confirmed to me that the mortality rate in villages often reaches 80 percent, and it is never lower than 50 percent. Worst affected are Kyiv, Poltava, and Sumy oblasts, where one can already speak of depopulation”.

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:36 a.m.    

After WWII?

Already by January 31, 1934 the Italian consul Sergio Gradenigo drew up a report in which he attributed great significance to this decision. He even concluded that the most fertile areas of Left-Bank Ukraine would be annexed to Russia:

“With the help of the famine, this territory, which has already been depopulated, has been settled by a new population – for the past two months Russians have been brought here by the trainload from Siberia… The transfer of the capital to the border is obviously entirely aimed at concealing the persecutions of the Ukrainian people, which will escalate even more after the capital is returned to its historic place. This return of the capital to Kyiv… is launching the process of territorial decapitation at the same time as national decapitation is already taking place on a broad scale and will continue further.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 8:57 p.m.    

Hey, I was truly delighted to see moscow taken over, temporarily, for a time being, by the muslim moscovites of Central Asian origin during the 'end of ramadan celebrations. It was truly prophetic and foreboding - not a single russian was in sight. Police was scared to go out and face the sea of muslims - millions of them. By the way, everybody who visits moscow has the same impression - moscow is already 80% muslim and central asian. What you stupid russian baboons are going to do with those people... send them to siberia - whoops siberia is being retaken by China...By the way, do not insult the Slavic civilized, European nations like Poland, Czechs, Slovaks, etc., who have nothing to do with eastern/mongolian slaves..Talking about Stalin; a Georgian who is still worshipped in russia - for God's sake you have Stalin's images on the russian religious ikons. This truly redefine the notion of being a slave to the foreign masters....

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 12:08 a.m.    

Don't forget that sharia law already exists officialy in part of the Russian Federation, with the full aproval of Rasputin and Medvedev. Makes one wonder if Rasputin and Medvedev aren't actually secret Muslims, especially since they support Islamic extremist Iran, even helping the Iranians with their nuclear programme. Haven't Ras &amp; Med forgotten that Iran and the Russian Federation share a border and that a nuclear Iran is hardly in Russia's interest? Unless, of course.......

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 2:14 a.m.    

Guys, are you intolerant of muslims? What nationality are you just out of curiosity?

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 5:36 p.m.    

Not intolerant, but very wary of muslim extremists. And Iran most certainly is led by extremists- Ahmedinedjad, Khamenei etc. A nuclear Iran is a danger to Russia as well as Turkey, Israel, Kuwait etc, which makes Moscow's support of Teheran incomprehensible, irrational even.

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Anonymous Jan. 4, 2012, 12:06 a.m.    

&quot;Try to know yourself, your own wickedness. Think on the greatness of God and your wretchedness.&quot;.

PS The Russian Empire {AKA: Muscovy} still exists today, and is trying to expand - and consume and enslave its neighbors.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/ukraine/detail/119907/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz1iR2BShm7

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 10:55 p.m.    

[My mother and father] went to Voronezh [in the Russian SFSR]. You had to go through Kyiv to get to Voronezh. [In Voronezh] they were able to trade some things for some grain and bread, and were returning home.

In Kyiv there was an old and a new railroad station. You couldn’t get into the new station without a ticket, and tickets were sold only in the morning. There were hundreds of people there, not only my mother and father, and they had to wait near the old station.

Just before they could go buy tickets, the police came, lined the people up, and took everything away. They could only keep one loaf of bread each. And you couldn’t say a word because they could kill you. I remember how my parents were crying when they came back. By the time they returned, two of my sisters had died. I know that they died, but where they died, in the house, or on the road, that I don’t know. I just know that they died. I know how they buried my father after he died. My father got an infection in the spring, and died. My mother’s sister, her husband and their three middle children died.

In the neighboring house, the entire family died. Only the owls in the attic were left. Our other neighbors had three children, and only one girl survived. I always said the human heart is so small, but can endure so much.

http://www.holodomorsurvivors.ca/Video/video/Files/Nadia%20Shulha_video.html

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 1:48 a.m.    

I don't think the majority of the Chechens, for instance, would agree with &quot;a desire to live in a big sinle state&quot;. It's only Kadyrov's reign of terror that keeps Chechnya quiet..... for now.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 3:20 a.m.    

Yes ukraine and russia need a revolution. A slavic union revolution. Keep ukraine and russia beautiful keep it slavic.

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 6:53 p.m.    

UKRAINE is not Russia.

PS Moscow admits that there was no USSR - only a continuation of the Russian empire.

Патріарх Кирил: &quot;Розпад Союзу - це крах історичної Росії&quot;

http://www.istpravda.com.ua/short/2011/11/12/62139/

Патріарх Кирило назвав розпад СРСР &quot;катастрофою історичної Росії&quot;

http://tsn.ua/svit/patriarh-kirilo-nazvav-rozpad-srsr-katastrofoyu-istorichnoyi-rosiyi.html

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/116870/#ixzz1e4odEH00

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 5:57 a.m.    

What &quot;values&quot; of the U SS R ?

The EVIL EMPIRE of GULAG, Russification and Genocide has NO shame!!

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Anonymous Nov. 21, 2011, 8:17 a.m.    

Are you talking about the US again? LOL :D

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Anonymous Nov. 23, 2011, 12:51 p.m.    

You moscali (and other useful idiots)are proud of the The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact when you joined Hitler to divide Europe and the trainloads of supplies and food that you sent the Nazis up to the day that Hitler invaded UKRAINE (the Germans were laughing because a kremlin train was delivering more supplies as the German army was entering UKRAINE!), but I guess that your soviet Encyclopedia does not mention the Molotov-stalin pact!

On 14 December 1932, Stalin and Molotov signed a secret party and state resolution blaming the hitherto government-approved Ukrainization program for the current difficulties in grain deliveries.

Bourgeois nationalists and Petliurites had been allowed to join party and state institutions and to set up their organizations. They acquired administrative positions in collective farms and sabotaged sowing and harvesting campaigns. In the North Caucasus “unbridled Ukrainization” was allegedly forcing the UKRAINIAN language on a population that did not want it. As a remedy, the UKRAINIAN authorities were ordered to expel Petliurite and other bourgeois-nationalist elements from party and soviet organizations and meticulously select and train new Ukrainian Bolshevik cadres. In the North Caucasus the policy of Ukrainization was completely abolished and replaced with Russification.

The UKRAINIAN language was banned from all administrative, cooperative and school activity. Newspapers and magazines were switched from UKRAINIAN to Russian. The next day, 15 December, the language provisions were extended to all other previously Ukrainized regions of the RSFSR.

By the end of 1932 UKRAINE and the Kuban had become a killing field for the starving collective and independent farmers. To escape the coming doom, many farmers tried to flee to Belarus or the RSFSR, where food was more readily available.

The Kremlin decided to stop this mass flight and on 22 January 1933, the Kremlin sent around a secret directive forbidding farmers to leave UKRAINE and the North Caucasus for other regions of the USSR.

Orders were given to the railways and water transportation agencies to stop selling tickets to farmers from these UKRAINIAN regions, and to the OGPU and local administrations on both sides of the administrative borders to arrest all peasants migrating from these regions and, after punishing the most dangerous, to send the others back to their places of residence.

A quarter of a million farmers were thus intercepted. These measures was clearly aimed at the UKRAINIAN group.

The atrocities committed in the early 1930s by the KREMLIN’s communist regime against the UKRAINIAN population of Soviet Union fit the UN definition of genocide. The KREMLIN’s intent to destroy the UKRAINIAN SSR as a national group, in the sense of an ethnically based socio-economic and political entity, is well documented in the Kremlin's correspondence and other documents.

The criminal acts consisted of the decimation of the urban elites and the deliberate starvation of the peasantry. Executions, deportations and induced famine were also inflicted on the UKRAINIAN ethnic majority in the Kuban and other regions of the RSFSR.

The abolition of Ukrainization and the persistent condemnation of bourgeois-nationalist and Petliurite elements show that the destructive measures were conceived in terms of ethno-national transformations.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/gallery/album/431/photo/1/50/page/2/#comments#ixzz1eWYXAoxD

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 11:20 a.m.    

Why did the # of UKRAINIAN children in UKRAINE decrease about 50%, and the # of rus-sin children in russia increase about 50%??

The impact of the famine is shown in many ways. Just before World War II a survey of the number of students was made. Since children start school in the USSR at seven years of age therefore, seven years after 1932 there should be an indication of the famine by a drop in enrollment. Look at these figures:

Russian SFSR Ukraine Byelorussia

1914-15 4,965,318 1,492,878 235,065

1928-29 5,997,980 1,585,814 369,684

1938-39 7,663,669 985,598 358,507

Source: Cultural Construction of the USSR, Moscow: Government Planning Pub., 1940, pages 40-50.

The Russian Republic (where no famine took place), shows a steady increase as did all seven other Soviet Republics, with the exception of Armenia. Why did Ukraine have an absolute loss of 600,216 students and Byelorussia (also a famine area) 11,174? The tragic story of these missing school children is written in the pages of the man-made famine.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/66019/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz15HzSZAaP

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/89881/20/page/2/#comments#ixzz1epwl3t6g

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/117671/20/page/1/#comment-153130#ixzz1etaqqATF

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Anonymous Nov. 18, 2011, 7:22 a.m.    

The Kosovo Albanian Government in Pristina said that it is necessary for Kosovo and Serbia’s borders to be mutually recognized, because after then the Albanians claim to want to have joint Serbian and Albanian control.

What many of us know is that if you give an Albanian an inch, then they will want at least a mile.

This is why even a half honest Non-Puppet Serbian Government and a Non-Nazi European Union, would never allow Any Kosovo Albanian Government Official, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative to be at the border crossings of Serbia’s Provincial administrative line with Kosovo, and especially North Kosovo.

Any Kosovo Albanian Government Official, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative at the North Kosovo administrative line would infer in the minds of the Kosovo Albanian the symbols of Statehood.

The Kosovo Albanians already consider the Provincial administrative line as their State border line, and any presence by Any Kosovo Albanian Government Official, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative at the North Kosovo administrative line would only encourage more trouble from the Albanians.

One Condition of the Nazis of Europe Sponsored Talks that the Albanians and the Serbian agreed to; is, that there would be no mention of the Status of Kosovo during these Talks.

Therefore, any Discussions about Any Kosovo Albanian Government Official, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative at the North Kosovo administrative line, is not a topic of discussion, and this is why the answer from even any half honest Serbian Government and a Non-Nazi European Union would be NO, NO, and NO.

The United Nations General Assembly, which include all the Countries of the European Union, and the Nazi Countries of Europe, voted unanimously that they fully support the readiness of the European Union to make the process of dialogue between the Albanian and Serbian sides possible, adding that the dialogue would be a way to improve cooperation, make progress on the road to the European Union, and improve the lives of the General Population.

It needs to be understood that there is the European Union, and there is the Nazis of Europe who are the Leading European Union Countries; namely, Britain, France, and Germany, and these Dictate to most of the rest of the 27 Countries of the European Union.

Another condition of the Show Talks sponsored by the Nazis of Europe, was that no side would make ANY Unilateral Steps to change the situation of Kosovo on the ground.

As Usual, the Kosovo Albanians have broken this condition also, and this is why even a half honest Non-Puppet Serbian Government, and a Non-Nazi European Union, would use this as Proof that the Kosovo Albanians should not have Any Kosovo Albanian Government Official, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative at the North Kosovo administrative line with Serbia.

The Unilateral Step taken by the Kosovo Albanian Government with regards to the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints have not improved the lives of the General Population, as the United Nations General Assembly have Insisted by there unanimous vote.

This proves that Any Kosovo Albanian Government Official, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative at the North Kosovo administrative line with Serbia will not improve the lives of the People of Kosovo, and they should not be there.

As we all know, Serbia has a Treacherous Puppet Government of Secret Muslim Janissaries who work for America, and the Nazis of Europe, and any Puppet and Treasonous and Bribe Taking Government in any part will not improve the lives of their General Populations, be it in Serbia, and its Province of Kosovo, or in any other Country.

The SPS was right to have joined the Treacherous Puppet DS and the G 17 Plus, because the Patriots needs to infiltrate the Traitors to better know how to devise counter strategies against Serbia’s Enemies.

That is the theme that the SPS needs to say at the next Election Campaign, and they will be forgiven for joining a Coalition of Puppets and Traitors.

The SPS should be returned to Parliament as Serbia’s Heroes, if the keep the DS and the G 17 Plus honest, by telling them that the SPS could announce a Snap Election at any time.

The SPS should suggest that the Nazis of Europe should not delay giving Serbia the Worthless Trinket of European Union Candidate Status, and that the Nazis of Europe should not delay in Fully Implementing the SAA Agreement with Serbia.

The Nazis of Europe need to keep in mind that there could be 75% of Serbs in Serbia and the Republic of Srpska that have signed up as Russian Citizens, and this may include some of the SPS Politicians and other Serbian Politicians.

We all know that the Russians will protect their Citizens, and this would include protecting their Citizens in the Russian Province of Serbia.

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Anonymous Nov. 19, 2011, 1:39 a.m.    

putinYOU SUCK. medvedev YOU ARE A PUPPET

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Anonymous Dec. 2, 2011, 5:20 a.m.    

Estonia accuses Russia of propaganda of terrorism and extremism

Publication time: 29 November 2011, 17:32

A major Estonian newspaper Postimees published a commentary of a press secretary of the Estonian political police, Harrys Puusepp, entitled &quot;Coping with impact&quot;.

The commentary is devoted to the ongoing Russia's propaganda of terrorism and extremism against Estonia. Mr. Puusepp points out:

&quot;Modern Estonian had to come across violent extremist manifestations in two cases. Both of them are associated with the legacy of the Soviet Union.

We are talking about riots that erupted over a monument in 2006-2007, and an attempt of an armed incursion into the building of the Estonian defense ministry in 2011. Despite big difference, these events have one thing in common: the vandals got inspiration for their crimes primarily from the open information space.

The situation in Estonia differs from other European countries because a part of the Estonian population does not need to search for hate speeches on the Internet, since they receive enough of them on popular TV channels of a neighboring country (Russia is meant).

The information, received by Estonians from these TV channel, makes them think that all problems could be explained and solved in terms of &quot;anti-fascism&quot; fighting &quot;fascism&quot;. The influence is comparable over time with &amp;#8203;&amp;#8203;romanticizing violence and fantasies about violence.

If a state and its citizens are consistently portrayed as fascists, defeated by the &quot;Soviet people&quot;, then these Estonians are captured in an appropriate information field.

Foreign news channels, which are directed against Estonia, incite hate&quot;.

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Anonymous Dec. 2, 2011, 5:27 a.m.    

Western Europe does not understand monstrous essence of Russia

Publication time: 29 November 2011, 15:36

The head of the International Commission for Evaluation of the Crimes, committed by the Russian occupation regime in Lithuania, Ronaldas Rachinskas, indicated that in Europe the image of Communist Russia had been embellished. &quot;Russia not a dead, but an alive monstrous animal that has been embellished without understanding its essence&quot;, he said.

The difference in approach to the historical past, he says, is not only between Russia and several East European countries, but also between &quot;east&quot; and &quot;west&quot; Europeans.

In an interview with Baltic media, he said:

&quot;The face of Communism has different features in different societies and even in individual groups. In Europe, Communist Russia's face is has a makeup, it is an an embellished face. If Russian Communism had a dead face, that would be positive. But the problem is that Russia is not a dead, but a monstrous animal that is being embellished, without understanding its essence. And there are all sorts of reasons for that.

West Europeans did not have personal experiences of Russia's Communism, Russia's totalitarianism, Stalin's repressions. For them, Communist Russia was an ally.

But if West countries developed within the Democratic mainstream, in the East Russian &quot;liberators&quot; simply &quot;forgot&quot; to &quot;leave&quot;.

Department of Monitoring

Kavkaz Center

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Anonymous Dec. 4, 2011, 10:07 a.m.    

Kartashev, an OGPU investigator, willingly spoke of his part in persecuting kulaks: “By my personal count, I shot thirty-seven people and sent many more to the camps. I know how to kill quietly.

Here’s the secret: I tell them to open their mouth, and I shoot them close up.

It sprays me with warm blood, like eau de cologne, and there’s no sound. I know how to do this job — to kill.”

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Anonymous Dec. 3, 2011, 9:22 a.m.    

{Actually, the USSR was just a huge Potemkin village put on the map of our planet - in reality it was just a continuation of Muscovy!}

НКВД проти Оун- УПА NKVD against UPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3JazBTivPk&amp;feature=related

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Anonymous Dec. 3, 2011, 6:52 p.m.    

Patriarch Kirill and political orthodoxy

Jul 30, 2009 at 20:03

According to Zenon Wasyliw, Putin, Medvedev and Kirill are a powerful Russian troika engaged in joint political and religious manipulations.

Patriarch Kirill opposes “political orthodoxy,” yet the Russian Orthodox Church closely collaborates with Russian leaders Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev in spreading a Russian nationalist (some say proto-fascist) message in Russia and the “near abroad.”

Putin, Medvedev and Kirill, a powerful Russian troika, engage in joint political and religious commemorations of the White General Anton Denikin, supporting and echoing Denikin’s denigration of Ukrainians, the political canonization into sainthood of Tsar Nicholas II, his wife and five children, in support of a reactionary Russian imperial ideological foundation of Autocracy, Orthodoxy and Russian Nationality with its legacy of chauvinistic policies and pogroms.

Many other examples bring to question whether Patriarch Kirill’s visit is a political mission to re-engage a reactionary past of a revived vision of Russian imperial control over Ukraine.

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Anonymous Dec. 5, 2011, noon    

Leaving this place where ‘all cries of human torture’ (V.Stus), I thought: and what do we do, in Ukraine, that suffered most from the totalitarianism, what do we do to keep our historical memory awake?

We do little because we permit our new Russophiles to agitate in the Supreme Rada for the liquidation of the Ukrainian state and elbow their way to the presidential armchair, wishing to tie Ukraine again to the Moscow saddle and then to drive their enemies to the endless space of Russia.

http://www.khpg.org/en/index.php?id=958939878

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http://www.kyivpost.com/news/politics/detail/117748/#ixzz1feXW1LWQ

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Anonymous Dec. 11, 2011, 7:57 a.m.    

Putin plagiarized the term Eurasian, just like he plagiarized his &quot;diploma&quot;.

The term [concept] - Eurasian Union - was first proposed by the &quot;White Army&quot; during the Russian &quot;civil war&quot;.

Putin plagiarized from Pitt professors

If plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery, then Russian President Vladimir Putin has made two University of Pittsburgh professors blush.

Researchers at the Brookings Institution, a private nonprofit corporation in Washington, D.C., recently discovered that Putin copied significant chunks of a 1978 textbook by Pitt professors William R. King and David I. Cleland and passed it off as his own for his mid-1990s economic dissertation.

&quot;One is always pleased when one's work is found to be useful, but it's a little disappointing when one's work is found to be represented as someone else's,&quot; said King, a professor at Pitt's Katz Graduate School of Business. &quot;It's a pretty serious breach of academics when one presents material that isn't original as their own.&quot;

About 16 pages of text and at least six diagrams and tables from Putin's 218-page dissertation -- which earned him the equivalent of a master's degree in business administration from the St. Petersburg Mining Institute in 1997 -- were taken almost word-for-word from King and Cleland's &quot;Strategic Planning and Policy,&quot; according to Brookings researchers Clifford Gaddy and Igor Danchenko.

The book was translated into Russian in 1982.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_437473.html

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Anonymous Dec. 12, 2011, 3:47 a.m.    

Dontsov’s position is first of all a position of a European intellectual who understood Ukraine as a specific constituent of the European historical and spiritual space. I should say that Dontsov is a person who had a brilliant knowledge of ancient cultures, who read a lot, and was educated in St. Petersburg. That is why Dontsov’s views are always supported by numerous facts.

He does not speak without grounds that Ukraine should separate from the Russian space.

Dontsov analyzed Russian philosophical thought and thoroughly studied Russian literature to realize the difference between the European and Russian types of thinking. Second, Dontsov wrote that the gap between Shevchenko, Storozhenko, Kotliarevsky and Hrushevsky was much bigger than the connection between the previous centuries. Ukraine started with Shevchenko, but neglected him, did not learn the achievements of the baroque literature, did not comprehend Skovoroda who is a representative of European tendencies in social thought (specifically, the European Enlightenment). For Dontsov European and Ukrainian cultures exist in continuity, in indissoluble unity. He deeply analyzed Shevchenko in the article Pamiyati velykoho vyhnantsia (In Memory of the Great Exile), but in the very first sentence compared him to Dante. Shevchenko had to leave his land, and Dante was exiled from Florence as well, for what he suffered and these sufferings are reflected in The Divine Comedy. A comparison like this shows a high philological culture of the author. Dontsov is a person of immense intellect who read in European languages: English, German, Spanish, Polish, French, etc. He often uses fragments from original European works as epigraphs to his articles.

Dontsov realized that Ukraine (perhaps it sounded a bit “flaunting” and sometimes too emotional) should first of all leave the spiritual world of Russia because Russia belongs to the Asian world, and Ukraine belongs to Europe, which seeks development, not stagnation. Let’s present a rather long quote of our contemporary, the Russian professor Yashchenko: “Generally, the type prevailing in Russian literature is the weak-willed person, and he has a lot of nuances.

Russian classics, in essence, are not classics, because they are not able to nurture strong, vigorous, and morally sound people. What characterizes heroes of our literature? Moral weakness and the will to justify this weakness by flaws of this life. Dreams about the future and total inability to realize the dreams in the present, inability to act, to creative struggle. Griboyedov’s Chatsky who escapes the aversions of life. Rudin and other Hamlets of Turgenev, Honcharov’s Oblomov and Raysky are fruitless blabbers and idlers, epileptics of Dostoevsky, insane creatures of Chekhov, unwanted people — these are the types of Russian literature.

“These are people without their own willpower, who will not do anything unless ordered.

“A Russian man is somehow designed so (wrote Gogol in Dead Souls. – Author) that he cannot live without a master.

“A Russian man is a hopeless man.

’ (Predators) Russian predators, writes Shchedrin, are different from others. They first ‘flogged and tortured and then urged to kiss the torturing hand.’

http://www.day.kiev.ua/314388

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Anonymous Dec. 18, 2011, 5:02 p.m.    

In fact, the Soviet Union formed an illegal and corrupt bourgeoisie communist bureaucracy. Both of them wanted to legalize their wealth and power.

http://www.istpravda.com.ua/columns/2011/12/17/65462/

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