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Aug. 18, 2012, 4 p.m. | Russia and former Soviet Union — by Associated Press

Feminist punk group Pussy Riot members, from left, Maria Alekhina and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova sit in a glass cage at a court room in Moscow, Russia on Friday, Aug. 17, 2012.
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Two top clerics in the Russian Orthodox Church say it has forgiven the members of feminist punk band Pussy Riot who were convicted of hooliganism and sent to prison for briefly taking over a cathedral in a raucous prayer for deliverance from Vladimir Putin.

Tikhon Shevkunov, who heads Moscow's Sretensky Monastery and is widely believed to be Putin's spiritual counselor, said on state TV Saturday that his church forgave the singers right after their "punk prayer" in the Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow.

Archpriest Maxim Kozlov agreed, but he also said on state TV that his church hopes the young women and their supporters "realize that their acts are awful."

Both clerics supported a court's decision to prosecute Pussy Riot, despite an international outcry that criticized it as unfair.

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Byron Hill Aug. 18, 2012, 6:50 p.m.    

How many "awful acts" have been committed by Mr. Putin? How many "awful acts" have been committed by the Russian Orthodox Church? How much blood has soaked the robe of the church? What does 30 pieces of silver buy?

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David Willcox Aug. 18, 2012, 9:53 p.m.    

....but the Anti Christ KRILL does not forgive !

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kpxoxol Aug. 18, 2012, 10:29 p.m.    

Nadezhda "THE FILOSOPHER" Tolokonnikova become "famous" by pictures of her having public sex with her husband Pyotr Verzilov while she was pregnant in 2008 in a zoo.

What a "concerned mother" she is, heh, heh, heh :D

And this disgusting US-financed hooligan got reduced sentence because she is "concerned young mother". What a joke.

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Jenn Smith Aug. 19, 2012, 12:42 a.m.    

Pussy Riot is anti-humanitarian. They attacked a persecuded people's sacred house of worship. A people, Christians, were murdered in genocide, 60 million of them under Marxist USSR, then this gang of media terrorists, funded no doubt by foreign agency NGO's, desecrates the sacred building of a people who have suffered genocide.

Christians were persecuted by Marxist USSR and suffered GENOCIDE.

GULAG PART 3v
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G04gEjB-bZs

GULAG PART 4v
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hA9drjCX6U

Instead of Church of Christ the Saviour, what if they poured urine on the buildings at Auschwitz, then laughed about it?

Would it have been "humanitarian" if they desecrated Auschwitz?

What if they dumped urine and feces on the buildings of Dachau? Would they then be defended by ECHR for their "human rights"?

Since when is desecrating the building of a people who suffered genocide a moral act?

Attacking a monument of genocide (Church of Christ the Saviour) is not a humane act.

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AL BALA Aug. 19, 2012, 1:55 a.m.    

Dear (kremlinoid) Jenn Smith,

Gee ?

Based on your silly comment, it appears that you have not even read what they stated.

Sincerely,

LES

PS

Why are Moskali afraid to tell the Russian children the truth ?

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/n1-magazine-pussy-riot-closing-statements-311746.html

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AL BALA Aug. 20, 2012, 5:56 a.m.    

"Pussy Riot performed in an empty church. They left peacefully when a priest ordered them to go. The only violation they committed was of a church rule that no woman can penetrate the altar space," says Yevgeny Ikhlov, an expert with For Human Rights, a Moscow-based public movement. "People understand these women have been imprisoned for purely political reasons. This is about the church splitting society to prove it is stronger, has more followers than supporters of a secular state do. In fact, the church is behaving as part of a repressive state machine."

Father Vsevolod Chaplin, a leading church spokesman, denies the church has any influence over the outcome of the trial of the punk rock group and he does not personally favor tough punishment for it. But he adds that "the feelings of religious believers must be protected….

The law must make certain that this sort of desecration is not repeated."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/0423/Is-Russia-s-Orthodox-Church-privileged-or-persecuted

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AL BALA Aug. 19, 2012, 1:24 a.m.    


In the case of Father Grigoriev, he was shown to own a BMW jeep, a Mercedes jeep, and a Mercedes saloon as well as three flats and a country house. To add insult to injury, a secret camera filmed the priest bragging about his £60,000 Swiss watch, his £12,000 phone, while talking about his love of Italian designer clothes and fine dining. In an indication of how much wealth the priest had amassed, he complained of recently being robbed of the equivalent of £300,000 from his safe.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8790457/Russian-Orthodox-Church-embroiled-in-corruption-scandal.html

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Jenn Smith Aug. 19, 2012, 1:29 a.m.    

65 million Christians were killed by Marxist USSR. So you think $50,000 equals 60 million lives?

The point is they attacked a sacred building of a people who lost tens of millions of lives in persecution and genocide.

It is obscene you would equate money with human lives. But that is what you think about, money, not kindness, compassion, suffering, humanity.

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AL BALA Aug. 19, 2012, 2:06 a.m.    

Human rights commissioner says abuse did take place at Russian Orthodox monastery

Moscow, October 25, Interfax - An inquiry ordered by Russian human rights commissioner Vladimir Lukin has found that child abuse did take place at Vladimir region's Svyato-Bogolyubsky Monastery.

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=7844

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AL BALA Aug. 20, 2012, 3:57 a.m.    

Human rights commissioner says abuse did take place at Russian Orthodox monastery

Moscow, October 25, Interfax - An inquiry ordered by Russian human rights commissioner Vladimir Lukin has found that child abuse did take place at Vladimir region's Svyato-Bogolyubsky Monastery.

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=7844

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Jenn Smith Aug. 19, 2012, 1:34 a.m.    

So if Pussy Rot trespassed at Auschwitz, sang about how bad the Jewish religion was, that it would be okay because the head of the IMF is a Jew?

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AL BALA Aug. 19, 2012, 7:21 p.m.    

Here are some excerpts from band member Yekaterina Samutsevich's closing statements at the trial, which show her to be both defiant and wise.

Our sudden musical appearance in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior with the song “Mother of God, Drive Putin Out” violated the integrity of this media image, generated and maintained by the authorities for so long, and revealed its falsity. In our performance we dared, without the Patriarch’s blessing, to combine the visual image of Orthodox culture and protest culture, suggesting to smart people that Orthodox culture belongs not only to the Russian Orthodox Church, the Patriarch and Putin, that it might also take the side of civic rebellion and protest in Russia.

http://www.alternet.org/hot-news-views/trial-ends-russian-punk-band-pussy-riot-remains-totally-defiant?akid=9202.92205.AOohGK&rd=1&src=newsletter691401&t=4

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AL BALA Aug. 19, 2012, 7:58 p.m.    

Saturday 18 August 2012

KGB Kirill I, Patriarch of Moscow, is more than content to keep Putin's money launderers in the Temple. He has struck a deal. Putin offers the Orthodox church a partial restoration of its tsarist privileges: state aid for the restoration of churches the communists destroyed; and the return of priests to the schools and universities. Kirill returns the favour by making support for the Kremlin kleptomaniacs a quasi-religious duty.

Russian Orthodoxy has always been a state religion. The communists persecuted believers, but the KGB found many collaborators in the church who were prepared to put obedience to established power first. For this reason, it is a mistake to dismiss Kirill's support for Putin as simple cynicism.

You can search Patriarch Kirill's writings in vain for any acknowledgement that Russians who protest against corruption or the denial of democratic rights or the crimes of the wars in the Caucasus have a case that deserves a hearing. They are just the tools of "puppet masters"; the propagators of the debased ideologies of "protestant theologians" and "Jewish philosophers".

Kirill's writing reveals one of Russia's most sinister characteristics. A regime of former KGB officers and plutocrats is robbing the country blind, while the leadership of the national church supports the thieves and denounces their opponents.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/19/nick-cohen-pussy-riot-putin?newsfeed=true

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Jenn Smith Aug. 19, 2012, 1:36 a.m.    

The outrage is about the attack on a persecuted people, Christians, in Russia who suffered the genocide of 65 million people during Marxist USSR.

Those millions of lives mean nothing to you.

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AL BALA Aug. 19, 2012, 6:31 p.m.    

Many Westerners know little about the new Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Father Kirill. Many Russians know him as a great orator and a host of a weekly TV show "Pastor's Word." However, very few know that Kirill (Vladimir Gundyaev by passport), a billionaire and a former KGB operative, made his fortune in tobacco, alcohol, and oil sales. His activities were among the main reasons why not-for-profits in Russia lost tax-deductible status. The new Orthodox leader is fond of playing with stocks, car racing, downhill skiing, and breeding exclusive kinds of dogs. He owns villas in Switzerland and a penthouse with a view of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow.

http://www.russiablog.org/2010/06/patriarch_kirill_leader_orthodox_tobacco_alcohol_oil.php

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carl Aug. 19, 2012, 9:57 p.m.    

Their performance was an insult to the memory of Christians killed by the Bolshevik monsters.

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AL BALA Aug. 19, 2012, 11:43 p.m.    

Indeed, in regions where the dominant Moscow Patriarchate, the level of social diseases (alcoholism, drug addiction, crime, AIDS, etc.) is much higher than the rest of the country. That in itself puts a special issue of canonicity.

Also, the UOC-MP is not so long ago sounded the known history of drunken driving priest of the temple in Troeschina Odessa diocese a priest who took money from rich men and spent on prostitutes.

Some critics say the Moscow Patriarchate that in fact he was not founded by Prince Vladimir or even Metropolitan Jonah in 1448, but in reality by Joseph Stalin, 1943, resulting in restoration of the Patriarchate.

Recently the Arab League suspended the membership of Syria and threatened to withdraw envoys from the death of thousands in protests against President Assad, as patriarch of Moscow the same day visited Syria and wished success to local authorities.

The fact that even in 1801 the Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church forbade the construction of churches in the Ukrainian style and introduced rules in church construction in the Moscow Synodal Apostolic style, which was formed under significant influence of Kazan, Astrakhan tent architecture.

http://www.day.kiev.ua/232035

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AL BALA Aug. 20, 2012, 3:57 a.m.    

Kirill, who was the Metropolitan of Smolensk, succeeded Alexei II who died in December 2008 after 18 years as head of the Russian Church. According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei). This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies.

As head of the Russian church’s department of foreign church relations, Kirill supported a new Russian ideology based on the denial of human rights. At the tenth meeting of the World Russian People’s Council, an international public organization headed by the Patriarch, in Moscow, April 4, 2006, Kirill said that “faith, morality, sacred places, and homeland” stand no lower than human rights. If these values are in conflict with the realization of human rights, “the society and government and law should harmoniously combine them.” How this could be done was not made clear but, according to the Council, it is impossible to allow a situation in which human rights “threatened the existence of the motherland.”

http://www.eurasiareview.com/05062012-russias-state-church-analysis/

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AL BALA Aug. 22, 2012, 8:02 p.m.    

30 percent of those who identified themselves as Orthodox Christians {in Russia} did not, in fact, believe in God. ...............

Especially as only 1 or 2 percent of Russians go to church ........

As it has been commonly said in the Russian media, “The MP {KGB Kirill} is the last completely unchanged arm of the Soviet Union still standing.”

http://nftu.net/pat-kirill-the-kremlin-is-separate-from-the-patriarchate/

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