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Russia Today: Murky depths of Ukrainian nationalism

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Oct. 15, 2011, 8:25 p.m. |
Editor's Note: The following story was published online by Russia Today, a Kremlin-funded information organization that has been criticized for its anti-Western and anti-Ukrainian propaganda. A major nationalist rally in Ukraine’s capital has turned out to be more peaceful and less massive than expected. But with public discontent on the rise, it is hard to predict how things will unfold during next year’s key nationalist anniversary. Read more here.
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Anonymous Oct. 15, 2011, 9:23 p.m.    

The UPA is the Ukrainian version of Hamas.

Independence is a worthy goal, but not when terror against civilian populations and ethnic cleansing is the method of choice. If Ukraine want to come into the European then nationalists need to acknowledge that the UPA is deeply flawed. There is no room for the reverence of such an organization in the EU.

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Anonymous Oct. 15, 2011, 10:20 p.m.    

Surely there is a better term for Nazi collaborators...

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Anonymous Oct. 15, 2011, 9:42 p.m.    

who &amp; what is NOT deeply flawed??? the EU? You? LOL

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Anonymous Oct. 15, 2011, 9:48 p.m.    

Zionists, Communists, Socialists, Capitalists,Islamists????

UN, USSR, CIS, NATO,etc?

Only Ukrainian struggles for Independence are &quot;deeply flawed&quot; according to those who occupied, occupy and want to occupy Ukraine.

get it??? Yes NOW it is understood! Old Soviet propaganda lies and accusations need to be recycled so that Ukrainians can NEVER be allowed to be in control of their own country!

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Anonymous Oct. 15, 2011, 11:20 p.m.    

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 5:22 a.m.    

Yawn is a better answer to the svidomite crap that finds its way in the KP.

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Anonymous Oct. 15, 2011, 11:37 p.m.    

A) Learn your history. Ukraine has had multiple struggles for independence. There are many better heroes than the UPA to chose from. The UPA did Ukraine no favors between 1943-1944. It condemned western Ukraine to Soviet domination, and tainted the century long Ukrainian struggle for independence in the eyes of the entire world.

B) No one has occupied Ukraine for 20 years. Ukraine has no excuse for it's lack of progress.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 3:47 a.m.    

&quot;Ukraine has had multiple struggles for independence&quot;, as in many on what's now considered Ukraina territory didn't share the goals of Mazepa, Petliura and Bandera, when these people were around.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 5:16 a.m.    

how much media and wealth(millionaires,billionaires) and political power is in Ukrainian hands?

Ukraine is occupied by anti-Ukrainian forces but if you can't see that ...then you are out of the loop in the struggle for truth and justice

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 12:31 a.m.    

KP crap:

&quot;Editor's Note: The following story was published online by Russia Today, a Kremlin-funded information organization that has been criticized for its anti-Western and anti-Ukrainian propaganda.&quot;

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Criticized by whom? people showing a bias for anti-Russian propaganda? Being against anti-Russian propaganda isn't anti-Western.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 1:04 a.m.    

RT is has been criticized by Reporters without Borders and many respected news outlets around the world including Der Spiegel in Germany, The Moscow Times and St. Petersburg Times in Russia, The Guardian and The Independent in the UK, the Kyiv Post in Ukraine,the New York Times in the US. And former RT reporters on top of that. It's no secret that it is little more than a mouthpiece of the United Russia party to the rest of the world.

This particular RT article overstates the level of UPA collaboration with Germans, but it's not as bad as most other RT stories.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 3:44 a.m.    

Reporters without Borders and &quot;respected&quot; news outlets around the world including The Moscow Times and New York Times have their own flaws as does the Kyiv Post.

Likewise, RT is a mix of good and nost so good journalism.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 5:20 a.m.    

In this instance, a good piece of journalism by RT.

The same can't be said of the propagandistic &quot;Editor's Note&quot; put out by the Kyiv Post.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 5:21 a.m.    

You bet The Moscow Times and aforementioned others have flaws.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 12:55 a.m.    

Johnny you belong to the spot, in other words &quot; Johnny on the Spot&quot;.

Learn your history on the spot!

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 12:57 a.m.    

fuckoff moskali

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 5:24 a.m.    

You should by a KP editor, if not already the case.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 1:52 a.m.    

Nice to see such impressive crowd of Ukrainian patriots!!!

GLORY TO UKRAINE!!!

GLORY TO OUR HEROES!

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 2:05 a.m.    

The difference between Russian nationalism and Ukrainian nationalism is that Russians cherish their eggs and lead by them. Ukrainians drain their eggs into hollow shells and decorate them in the misplaced hope that a rooster may someday be hatched to crow.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 2:12 a.m.    

&quot;Cock-a-doodle-do&quot; or &quot;Any cock will do?&quot;

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 2:22 a.m.    

Is not Bohdan Khmelnytsky a better and less controversial symbol of Ukrainian nationalism and self-determination than the UAP? Is not there more dignity in the Cossacks than the Collaborators?

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 5:03 a.m.    

Khmelnytsky was warned by the Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarch and the King of Sweden not to enter into any alliances with the Muscovites, but he ignored their advice and as a result Ukraine eventually lost its independence. The UPA succeeded where Khmelnytsky failed in that the UPA NEVER gave up fighting against the evil foreign soviet invaders and today Ukraine has gotten its independence. Now may God bless Ukraine with good leadership and spiritual revival because both are needed in this present hour.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 5:18 a.m.    

The king of Sweden and a so-called &quot;Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarch&quot; didn't know better.

Ukraine got its independence without the UPA which failed in gaining control of Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:46 a.m.    

Bohdan Khmelnytsky blew it by trusting the Moskali! What a moron!

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 4:19 a.m.    

Mazepa and Petliura blew it by siding with the Poles.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 4:58 a.m.    

What the Russian Soviets and their collaborators did in Ukraine makes German atrocities look humane in comparison. All totalitarian states committed horendous crimes against humanity, but the Russians have not to this day repented of their crimes and have not condemned the nefarious and evil deeds of their fathers nor have they paid reparations to the Ukrainian nation for all of the evil that they have committed against the Ukrainian people.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 8:02 a.m.    

&quot;Russian Soviets&quot; bunk as many Soviets involved in such activity were Ukrainians among other non-Russians.

No aforementioned &quot;reparations&quot; from Russia required.

Soviet crimes doesn't ethically excuse what the UPA did.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:45 a.m.    

and what exactly did the UPA do? please don't regurgitate totally discredited Soviet propaganda e.g. who committed the Katyn, Lviv and Vynnitsa massacres

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 1:30 p.m.    

Polish, Jewish, Soviet and other sources have confrimed the murdering antics of the UPA. The UPA's biggest supporters come across as scum of the earth.

That others did some bad things doesn't serve as an excuse for UPA actions.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:36 p.m.    

these are ALL anti-Ukrainian sources well known for their fraudulent exaggerations...come up with truthful sources instead of cheap propaganda

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:42 a.m.    

Svidomites are well known for gross historical distortions.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:50 a.m.    

Soviet, Jewish and Polish sources? All three sources have collaborated in committing atrocities in Ukraine against the Ukrainian people. Stalin, Kaganovich and the Poles all murdered millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor is now recognized by the whole world and its executioner was a Soviet Jew, Lazar Kaganovich, this is now recognized by the whole world. What would you expect such evil beasts to say about the only WW II Ukrainian heroes, the UPA, who fought to drive all foreign invaders out of Ukraine. The UPA were true Ukrainian patriots and the Ukrainian people will ALWAYS honor them.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 4:17 a.m.    

The UPA were the scum of the earth, thereby explaining why most Ukrainians don't honor them.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 7:03 a.m.    

A Russian-Polish conspiracy? Those two have never agreed on anything - except the UPA, UON and Bandera.

Here's a paper written by a Kiev native and published by Harvard University. Credible enough for you? Or is the entire world in on this anti UPA conspiracy?

http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/grad-etudesup/ukr/pdf/Danyliw08%20Grachova%20Paper.pdf

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 7:42 a.m.    

The Russians were the biggest Nazi collaborators in World War II.

UPA was the Ukrainian army that fought the Russian Commies and German Nazis. Ukraine needs a modern version of UPA to get rid of Yanukovych and his collaborating Party of Russians.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 7:59 a.m.    

That's a flat out lie propagated as truth.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 2:20 p.m.    

A lie is it?

Who made a pact with hitler before ww2 started to divide eastern europe between them? Stalin.

Western Ukraine was not in the soviet union at that time.

Stalin made the pact and hoped that hitler and his troops would fight the rest of europe until when they was worn out he with soviet army could just walk over europe and take control.

So in effect he made sure that Hitler would start a war that stalin would finish.. both in bed together

Kremlin were the in league with Nazi more than any other nation..

still think no?

before ww2 german army was allowed to train their soldiers on soviet controlled land.. practice battle tank strategies..

this is called collaboration with Nazi's

and what you know and have learned my friend is from the soviet history books that wipe away all the things soviets did bad.. to make them look snow white.

And putin and his chums are doing it again.. look at the new history books rewritten to make sure that braindead people like you learn their version of history rather than the truth!!

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 3:27 p.m.    

The Munich appeasemant came before Molotov-Ribbentrop. The former involved Western nations. The OUN/UPA thugs showed a willingness to go along with the Nazis if the latter accepted them.

Sometimes history needs to be rewritten. This includes some of the history propagated by nationalist anti-Russian activists.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 12:16 a.m.    

Of course they went along with the Germans...What did you expect after 10 million Ukrainians were murdered by the kremlin in the russian manufactured genocide called Holodomor (man-made famine).

Why would Ukrainians want to side with russians, after they tried to eradicate the Ukrainian nation!!!

stalin was a piece of shit. And only dumb communists can uphold a piece of shit to justify his actions in the name of russian progress!!!

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 1:14 a.m.    

The UPA operated within Vohyn, Halich and westward to the Syan/San river. All of this territory belonged to inter-war Poland, not the USSR. It was not effected by Holodomor.

There are two distinct phases of the UPA, that often get mixed up. The UPA started out as a fascist group intent on forming on establishing a dictatorship in Ukraine free of non-Ukrainians. They UPA assumed that the Germans and USSR would fight each other to a stalemate (which proved wrong). They calculated that the Polish underground was the biggest threat to an independent Ukraine. This was a big tactical mistake. They systematically began attacking Polish partisans, and eradicating Polish civilians. Polish partisans began attacking Ukrainian villages in turn. There were 80,000-100,000 civilian victims of UPA terror between 1942-1944. This is what Bandera and the UPA is know for the most in the West.

The second phase of the UPA began mid 1944, and lasted through 1956 - that of an anti-soviet resistance. Violence against non-Ukrainian civilians halted, and the UPA cooperated with other anti-soviet resistance groups. This is also the time when the NKVD dressed as UPA members and murdered civilians, blaming their deaths on the UPA. This is what most West Ukrainians think of when they talk about the UPA.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 3:36 a.m.    

Just how great is that UPA claim?

The NKVD didn't have to manufacture UPA atrocities.

After WW II, UPA supporters were chief founders of the bigoted anti-Russian Captive Nations Committee.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 3:32 p.m.    

The USSR also played the lead role in defeating the Nazis. Before Molotov-Ribbentrop, the earlier Western appeasement of the Nazis, Poles and Hungarians at Munich served to push the Soviets into a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 5:57 a.m.    

10 million Ukrainians DID die in the Holodomor. It is the Russian denying lie that lingers on.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 1:28 p.m.    

Timothy Snyder and others in the West acknowledge differently.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 11:32 p.m.    

Germany would not have started WW2 without the security that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact allowed it. Once Poland was dealt with Germany could turn west, without worrying about war with the USSR. The USSR and Germany bear joint responsibility for the start of WW2. I'll remind you that France and Britain declared war on the USSR on Sept 17th, 1939.

Nothing pushed the USSR into a pact with Germany, other than:

1) Hitler and Stalin's mutual mutual desire for territorial gain

2) A mutual attempt to buy time. Stalin and Hitler knew there would eventually be war between them.

The era of German appeasement had ended before the Hitler-Stalin pact was signed. France and Britain made clear they would support no other concessions to Germany.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:41 a.m.    

You say nothing of Munich which involved the West.

See prior page at this thread which refutes a claim of yours.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:38 a.m.    

www.compromat.ru/main/putin/vlasovets.htm

3 different Photos of Putin's dad joining Nazi Wehrmacht to FIGHT AGAINST Russian Red Army Komunists

art-of-arts.livejournal.com/125325.html

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 1:25 p.m.    

How substantiated a claim is that relative to the claim of Yushchenko's dad having ties with the UPA goons?

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:40 a.m.    

The USSR would had done NOTHING without being manipulated by Capitalist Lend Lease aid and other manipulations.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 1:27 p.m.    

LIE!

After being attacked, the USSR had no choice but to fight for its life. It would've won in the east without any Western aid. Granted that such a victory would've been more difficult.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 3:33 a.m.    

The Soviets didn't need the West to defeat the Nazis.

The bulk of the Nazi war effort was in the east.

The USSR beat the Japanese in a war fought in the late 1930s.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 11:18 p.m.    

The West could not have defeated Germany without USSR manpower and ability to suffer casualties that would have made any western country capitulate (90-94%). The USSR could not defeat Germany without the 2nd front opened up by the D-Day Invasion, and without US material support.

This was a war of attrition. The 13,000 tanks, 22,000 aircraft and 400,000 trucks the US provided were an invaluable supplement to the USSR's own production, as it faced a qualitatively superior German army. The USSR was simply not industrialized enough and not advanced enough to defeat Germany alone. But neither was any other single country.

The war was Germany's to lose. And it lost because Hitler was a bad leader, who bit off more then he could chew, and made many strategic blunders. It's frightening to think what would have happened had Germany had competent leadership.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:55 a.m.    

Johnny boy, the Americans needed the Russians as much in defeating the Japanese as they would have in defeating the Germans. You spend too much time playing with yourself, spend some more time reading history, moron.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 6:44 a.m.    

No thanks. I don't read history books published by the Kremlin. It's too difficult to keep up. Historical facts change with every edition.

So Russia helped America defeat Japan in WW2? That is a new one.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 5:19 p.m.    

good try but you expose yourself as anti-Ukrainian stooge-

Yuschenko is NOT in power to do anything; Putin is in power to do EVERYTHING

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 2:11 a.m.    

The Nazi concept of repeating a lie lingers on.

10 million in Ukraine didn't die from that famine.

The Communist created Ukrianian SSR continued on.

Stalin was a piece of shit, along with the nationalist anti-Russian scum.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:42 a.m.    

www.compromat.ru/main/putin/vlasovets.htm

3 different Photos of Putin's dad joining Nazi Wehrmacht to FIGHT AGAINST Russian Red Army Komunists

art-of-arts.livejournal.com/125325.html

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 1:32 p.m.    

How substantiated a claim is that relative to the claim of Yushchenko's dad having ties with the UPA goons?

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:39 a.m.    

You're the dope. Substantiate what was inquired.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 3:31 a.m.    

Like Putin's dad has a good deal to do with the present.

Such is the &quot;logic&quot; of the nationalist idiots who post at this thread.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 9:35 a.m.    

History is written by those in power. Currently those in power, Yanukovych, Azarov, Tabachnyk are Russian, Russian-Belarus and leftovers from Soviet Russian falsified history. Some day Ukrainians will write their own true history. Freedom is yet to come.

Why should the 20% of the population that are authoritarian, Communist and Soviet rule over the 80% of the population that is democracy and freedom oriented? Democracy and freedom oriented parties should agree to always vote and to vote only for any democracy oriented candidate that is available if someone from their own party is unavailable and to never, never, never vote for an authoritarian, Soviet or Communist oriented candidate. It would be so simple.

Yanukovych and the Party of Regions are authoritarian, corrupt, falsely persecuting the democratic opposition, disrespect Ukrainian language, culture and history, suppressing freedom of speech and freedom of press and dividing the wealth and business opportunities in Ukraine among themselves.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 3:24 p.m.    

They've their faults as do the svidomites, who gave the current Ukrainian president a chance to be successfully elected.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 9:52 a.m.    

OUN, UPA, Cossacks, Tymoshenko... are all heroes. The historical invaders, oppressors, occupiers and mass murderers of Ukrainians will not choose Ukraine's heroes - we no longer fear you. Ukraine will someday be free to accurately write her own glorious however tragic history from the Ukrainian perspective.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 3:22 p.m.    

The OUN/UPA don't have the support as desired by the svidomites.

Tymoshenko is a corrupt populist demagogue.

Collectivley, the Cosaacks are among the more pro-Russian of elements in Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 12:05 a.m.    

what utter communist crap!!!

how sad!!!

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 2:08 a.m.    

&quot;Communist crap&quot; as in Ukraine's Commie drawn boundaries and Yushchenko's Soviet like &quot;Hero&quot; designation for Bandera.

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 5:10 p.m.    

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Roman Landyk seen on the streets of Lugansk: happy and as if after a vacation

http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/romana-landika-bachili-na-vulicyah-luganska-veselim-i-nibi-pislya-vidpochinku.html

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Anonymous Oct. 16, 2011, 6:20 p.m.    

The anniversary should be a time of reflection.Was it smart to at first support german invasion without clear support from Germany for a independent Ukraine? Would nationalists have been better off to not take up arms but instead as a secret society work from inside of communist party?

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Mykhayl Oct. 17, 2011, 5:19 a.m.    

???????????????????????????????????

Do you have any idea of history?

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2011, 11:29 p.m.    

The third woman in the family, 12-year-old Ulyana may present an even more curious case to this singing dynasty in some five years. Tonya’s daughter, she knows her grandmother’s songs by heart and loves singing folk ballads. “People say that my granddaughter will beat both me and Tonya,” said Nina Matviyenko lighting up with a broad smile.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/guide/chatroom/detail/114599/#ixzz1bde5utE2

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:34 a.m.    

they tried this and that ...nothing worked BECAUSE Ukraine has too many enemies who want to rule Ukraine and prefer a Ukraine without Ukrainians and this includes all the traditional hate greedy monsters:Russians, Germans Poles and Jews. Some of these groups have come to their senses and are acting more civilized at the beginning of this new century. If you look you can see which groups are where.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 1:22 p.m.    

A delusional Galician Ukrainian ultra-nationalist geopolitical, historical and cultural vision.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 5:15 p.m.    

you must be from one of the 4 groups...come clean &amp; confess which one

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 6:30 p.m.    

Guest 6:34 is right on the money. The four groups have wanted Ukes out of Ukraine at one time or another. Modern Ukraine is controlled by the Russian / Jew oligarch mafia. If you can't kill the Ukes, control them and steal their money. Gold is their god. The new revolution is coming. Death to the oligarch oppressors!

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:37 a.m.    

&quot;Ukes out of Ukraine&quot; is simplistic nonsense.

For much of history, many of the people there like Gogol identified with Russia.

Ukraine and Russia have roots to Rus, which didn't completly become obliterated despite Mongol and Polish subjugations.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 9:38 p.m.    

You have everything backwards. It is the Ukrainian people who are the victims of the mafia oligarch pogrom.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 6:34 a.m.    

Better a svidomite than a sodomite!

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:38 a.m.    

More like many people in general regardless of their ethnicity.

Leave it to the svidomites to highlight ethnicity.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 5:41 a.m.    

svidomite?... meaning one who is awake or &quot;conscious&quot;

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 7:31 a.m.    

More like an ultra-nationalist idiot with a twisted view of history.

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2011, 5:50 p.m.    

According to a new study, a prehistoric tool kit and butchered bones unearthed in Russia’s Ural mountains suggest that Neanderthals may have existed there, till as recently as 33,000 years ago.

Contrary to popular belief that modern ‘humans’ began to replace Neanderthals starting around 75,000 to 50,000 years ago, the study marks the Urals as their last refuge around 33,000 years ago, reports Discovery News.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:34 a.m.    

You &quot;must be&quot; a svidomite.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 7:09 p.m.    

It looks like some folks plan to celebrate the upcoming 70th anniversary of the UPA with an old fashioned UPA style pogrom.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:58 a.m.    

I'll bet that Lazar Kaganovich is your hero, eh Johnny boy, or maybe Joe Stalin and his ilk.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 6:22 a.m.    

Symon Petliura is my hero. A western leaning Ukrainian patriot whose vision did not come true, but who has been vindicated by history. Go find out who he was, and then go find out what the UPA did between 1942-1944.

Europe will not embrace a Ukraine that considers Bandera and other UON and UPA butchers as national heroes.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 7:30 a.m.    

Petliura was an opportunist willing to sellout eastern Galicia to Poland in return for Pilsudski's support.

Petliura needed that latter because he lacked popularity in Ukraine.

BTW, Petliura's forces committed their share of atrocities.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 1:53 p.m.    

Recalling the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and Nazi-Soviet collusion is much more useful - two totalitarian regimes carving up Europe, plotting the mass murder and enslavement of millions, and getting away with it for almost 2 years - let us not forget that when the gates of Auschwitz opened, and the Battle of Britain was joined, and much of Europe overrun, Stalin and Hitler were allies. It's remarkable that, unlike their former German friends, the Russians never seem to want to acknowledge what happened before that &quot;Great Patriotic War&quot; or their complicity in bringing about the catastrophe that befell Europe. Clean your own stables before worrying about the Ukrainian nation's resistance to Stalinism and Nazism.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 3:10 p.m.    

More &quot;useful&quot; for the propaganda purpose of ignoring the West's earlier appeasement of Nazi Germany at Munich - which served as a basis for encouraging the Molotov-Ribbentrop (M-R) pact. Instead of appeasing the Nazis, Poles and Hungarians (regarding Czecoho-Slovak territory), the West could've joined a Soviet opposition of that Nazi led move.

The USSR didn't just comprise Russia. That entity was on the winning side unlike Germany.

You should &quot;clean&quot; your own warped views before lecturing others.

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Anonymous Oct. 17, 2011, 5:13 p.m.    

old Soviet spin....Stalin didn't need any encouragement to make deals with Nazis to divide poland and expand his GULAG empire- You should &quot;clean&quot; your own warped views before lecturing others.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 12:33 a.m.    

In point of fact, Czecho-Slovakia was dismembered by Nazi Germany, Poland and Hungary BEFORE M-R.

The West (notably France) turned down a Soviet proposal to defend Czecho-Slovakia.

Some in the West were openly hoping for an eventual Nazi-Soviet war with the West left out.

So much for your know better attitude.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 5:49 a.m.    

Apparently no one opposed Hitler until their own bacon was on the line and everyone sought to exploit him for their own purposes... One has to look down when seeking the moral high gound here. Pity that Ukrainians have born the brunt of their repugnant neighbors to the east and west.

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 7:28 a.m.    

Pathetic that some Ukrainians along with some others take a chauvinistic view to fit their respective nationalist agenda.

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Anonymous Nov. 1, 2011, 11:27 p.m.    

MOSCOW (AP) — Capital flight from Russia is expected to double to $70 billion this year, the Central Bank said Tuesday, highlighting investors' concerns about political and economic uncertainty in the country.

The new figure is almost twice the previous estimate that $36 billion would leave Russia. In 2010, about $34 billion was pulled out.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/116074/#ixzz1cURaS0KD

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Anonymous Oct. 18, 2011, 9:31 a.m.    

Actuaaly the W Ukraine xoxols were collaborating with Hitler ever since 1934 - when their Poland pig herders kissed Hitler arse and attacked and dismembered the Czech Republic side by side with their nazi Germany allies in 1938.

The German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact (German: Deutsch-polnischer Nichtangriffspakt; Polish: Polsko-niemiecki pakt o nieagresji ) was an international treaty between Nazi Germany and the Second Polish Republic signed on January 26, 1934.

German ambassador, Hans-Adolf von Moltke, Polish leader Jozef Pilsudski, German propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels and Jozef Beck, Polish Foreign minister meeting in Warsaw on June 15, 1934, five months after signing the Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-B0527-0001-293%2C_Warschau%2C_Empfang_Goebbels_bei_Marschall_Pilsudski.jpg/270px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-B0527-0001-293%2C_Warschau%2C_Empfang_Goebbels_bei_Marschall_Pilsudski.jpg

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Anonymous Nov. 15, 2011, 9:51 a.m.    

You Moskli are proud of the The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact when you joined Hitler to divide Europe, but I guess that your soviet Encyclopedia does not mention the Molotov-stalin pact!

On 14 December 1932, Stalin and Molotov signed a secret party and state resolution blaming the hitherto government-approved Ukrainization program for the current difficulties in grain deliveries. Bourgeois nationalists and Petliurites had been allowed to join party and state institutions and to set up their organizations. They acquired administrative positions in collective farms and sabotaged sowing and harvesting campaigns.

In the North Caucasus “unbridled Ukrainization” was allegedly forcing the Ukrainian language on a population that did not want it. As a remedy, the Ukrainian authorities were ordered to expel Petliurite and other bourgeois-nationalist elements from party and soviet organizations and meticulously select and train new Ukrainian Bolshevik cadres. In the North Caucasus the policy of Ukrainization was completely abolished and replaced with Russification.

The Ukrainian language was banned from all administrative, cooperative and school activity. Newspapers and magazines were switched from Ukrainian to Russian.

The next day, 15 December, the language provisions were extended to all other previously Ukrainized regions of the RSFSR.

By the end of 1932 Ukraine and the Kuban had become a killing field for the starving collective and independent farmers. To escape the coming doom, many farmers tried to flee to Belarus or the RSFSR, where food was more readily available. Stalin decided to stop this mass flight and on 22 January 1933, he sent around a secret directive forbidding farmers to leave Ukraine and the North Caucasus for other regions of the USSR.

Orders were given to the railways and water transportation agencies to stop selling tickets to farmers from these regions, and to the OGPU and local administrations on both sides of the administrative borders to arrest all peasants migrating from these regions and, after punishing the most dangerous, to send the others back to their places of residence. A quarter of a million farmers were thus intercepted.

These measures was clearly aimed at the Ukrainian group.

The atrocities committed in the early 1930s by Stalin’s communist regime against the Ukrainian population of Soviet Union fit the UN definition of genocide. Stalin’s intent to destroy the Ukrainian SSR as a national group, in the sense of an ethnically based socio-economic and political entity, is well documented in Stalin’s correspondence and other documents. The criminal acts consisted of the decimation of the urban elites and the deliberate starvation of the peasantry. Executions, deportations and induced famine were also inflicted on the Ukrainian ethnic majority in the Kuban and other regions of the RSFSR.

The abolition of Ukrainization and the persistent condemnation of bourgeois-nationalist and Petliurite elements show that the destructive measures were conceived in terms of ethno-national transformations.

{ If you learn how to read, you will learn that the kremlin spcifically targeted the Ukrainians during HOLODOMOR. }

Stalin issued a clear signal in his now widely publicized and fundamentally important letter to Lazar Kaganovich, dated August 11, 1932. In it he questions the loyalty of the entire party organization of the Ukrainian SSR, while simultaneously demanding that allegedly concealed grain be squeezed out of Ukraine regardless of sacrifices (which could be justified by the lofty goals of modernization) and that a repressive “purge” of society be carried out in order to eradicate “Ukrainian nationalists”. Stalin then dispatched his loyal associates to Ukraine, who introduced punitive practices that were diverse in form but universal in their fatal result.

Particularly dangerous to the Stalinist regime was the fact that the peasants were trying to escape from the places where they were starving. In one of his letters to Kaganovich, dated June 1932, Stalin expresses his dissatisfaction with the fact that “several tens of thousands of Ukrainian collective farmers are still traveling all over the European part of the USSR and demoralizing the collective farms for us with their complaints and whining”.

A document prepared by Polish intelligence in September 1932 states: “Nearly all of Ukraine is traveling in search of bread, the trains are packed to the rafters; to get on a train [people] have to stand in lineups for several days”. This situation quickly changed after so-called food blockades of Ukraine’s borders were erected in the fall and winter of 1932-33.

The blockades were manned by interior troops and the red army, who prevented peasants from leaving the country and, hence, spreading information about the famine. Also instituted at this time was a ban on what was known as a food “reverse”, which meant that private individuals were not permitted to bring food into Ukraine from Russia and Belarus without the state’s permission, with the volume of food products entering the republic restricted by a special decision.

A document issued by the GPU of the Ukrainian SSR in February 1933 states that Kyiv oblast is the leading Ukrainian region with respect to the number of peasants who have left to escape death by starvation. This is what is recorded in a report by the Polish consul, who took a trip from Kharkiv to Moscow in May 1933.

“During my entire journey I was most struck by the difference in the appearance of the villages and fields of Ukraine in comparison with the neighboring TsChO (Central Chernozem oblast) and even with the non-grain-producing vicinities of Moscow. Ukrainian villages are in significant decline; emptiness, desolation, and destitution waft from them; houses are in a semi-collapsed state, often with [missing] roofs that have been torn off; new homesteads are nowhere to be seen; children and elderly people resemble skeletons; there is no sign of livestock… When I later ended up in the TsChO (at first, in the vicinities of Kursk and Orel), I had the impression that I had arrived in Western Europe from the Country of Soviets.

There are significantly more plowed and sown fields, the villages are clean, more decent, the houses are restored, and relatively greater well-being is evident among the people; you can see cattle grazing…”

In June 1932 the Japanese consul in Odesa undertook a long journey through various regions of the USSR.

He reported that “in comparison with the peasants of other republics, Ukrainian peasants make a pitiful impression with their ragged clothing, their emaciated bodies, and their begging: even in large railway stations peasants and their wives and children stretch out their hands for alms and beg for bread…”

In July 1933 a female Polish consular official based in Kharkiv noted that the epidemic had not abated in the summer but instead had grown, affecting increasingly wider strata of the population.

She writes: “The mortality rate is rising every day. There are very many beggars on the streets; lately, small children have been seen with greater frequency”.

In the same month, July 1933, the Italian consul in Kharkiv notes: “Some doctors have confirmed to me that the mortality rate in villages often reaches 80 percent, and it is never lower than 50 percent. Worst affected are Kyiv, Poltava, and Sumy oblasts, where one can already speak of depopulation”.

Already by January 31, 1934 the Italian consul Sergio Gradenigo drew up a report in which he attributed great significance to this decision. He even concluded that the most fertile areas of Left-Bank Ukraine would be annexed to Russia: “With the help of the famine, this territory, which has already been depopulated, has been settled by a new population – for the past two months Russians have been brought here by the trainload from Siberia… The transfer of the capital to the border is obviously entirely aimed at concealing the persecutions of the Ukrainian people, which will escalate even more after the capital is returned to its historic place. This return of the capital to Kyiv… is launching the process of territorial decapitation at the same time as national decapitation is already taking place on a broad scale and will continue further

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2011, 1:56 a.m.    

Russian language in Ukraine: To be or not to be, that is the question

Volodymyr Ohryzko, former Foreign Minister of Ukraine:

- Russian scripts don't change. Same old for the same purpose - to subdue Ukraine, to put an end to its European development and to bring it back into the empire. This strategy they try to carry out with different methods. Now they remembered about the language, tomorrow they will recall grain quotas, and after tomorrow metal quotas.

We should react to these methods of potential influence on Ukraine. If we keep silence they will continue, if we react they will draw back. These are traditional methods of influence, and there is nothing to talk about.

Petro Symonenko, Communist party leader, MP of Ukraine:

- The communist party's principle position is to make the Russian language the second state language of Ukraine. We constantly submit draft bills on this issue, but for a variety of reasons none of them has ever been adopted.

Now, together with the Party of Regions and Lytvyn's party we have prepared a draft bill allowing the Russian language to exist in our country as the second state language.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 1:12 a.m.    

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It is somewhat bias and unprofessional for Kyivpost to publish a leading comment aimed at Russia today and not apply the same standard to other media outlets. If Kyivpost of of this view then it should just not republish Their news items.

Perhaps it should publish the following statements on all BBC news reports to be fair and balanced

&quot;The below story was published online by the BBC, a British Government-funded information organization that has been criticized for its bias pro US-NATO propaganda.&quot;

It could do similar for CNN and other US news services and Kyivpost articles itself.. It certainly does not place Kyivpost in good light and it leaves it wide open for allegations of reverse bias.

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