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Russia Today: Ukrainian nationalists seek to erase memory of WWII

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Nov. 8, 2011, 3:33 p.m. |
Editor's Note: The following story was published online by Russia Today, a Kremlin-funded information organization that has been criticized for its anti-Western and anti-Ukrainian propaganda.

A nationalist party in Ukraine has resorted to legal action in a bid to raze a monument to Soviet soldiers who fought and died in the west of the country during the Second World War.The Ukrainian press reported on Tuesday that the Republican Party had tried to revive a ruling made in the 1990s by a regional legislature ordering the removal of all Soviet monuments in the country’s westernmost – and virulently nationalist – Lvov Region. Now, the party is seeking to remove the Glory Monument in the city of Lvov. The local administration objected on the grounds that the earlier ruling is no longer valid.

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2011, 5:01 p.m.    

All so called "monuments" for the Genocidal anti-Ukrainian Communists must be put in the trash garbage where they belong! The same with the GULAG!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 2:52 p.m.    

Don't piss yourself bitching, you will freeze your bollocks off in your US National Park Canada! Hahahahahaaaa!

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2011, 5:03 p.m.    

killed MORE Ukrainians than the Fascist Poles and the Nazis combined!!! Before , during and after World War II !!!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 2:22 a.m.    

Amen!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:42 p.m.    

There isn't enough garbage space to house those worthless monuments.

Today no one can figure out what all that crap stands for.

Just ask someone there and they say that the pidgeons need a place to shit.

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2011, 5:06 p.m.    

They remember WWII very well and it wasn't a victory for Ukraine. The monuments were erected as Communist propaganda. The sculptures are ugly, somewhat like industrial art. The only thing the Russians are trying to do is to divide Ukraine. If you believe in Ukraine's right to exist you are a nationalist. Many of the soldiers fighting in the Red Army where not Communists and had to make a painful decision as to which evil to combat. The Communists created a system that murdered more people that the Nazis and they are to be reviled and condemned.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 2:55 p.m.    

You are a dummy! Those monuments were errected happily by the Ukrainians themselves after they cicked your Nazi kin out of Ukraine!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:37 p.m.    

You're absolutely correct. Most Ukrainians in the Red Army hated

communism....they were there because they were conscripted.

They hated the commies and they hated the nazis. Both were a curse on the population.

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2011, 6:45 p.m.    

The Russians committed hundreds of thousands of atrocities during their occupation of Ukraine from 1939-41. Russian &quot;monuments&quot; are not welcome in Ukraine.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 4:52 a.m.    

Russians committed hundreds of thousands of atrocities during their occupation of Ukraine from 1919-91.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:35 a.m.    

Actually, it has been over 300 years of occupation and destruction of UKRAINIANS and Ukrainian culture, people {PRONOUNCED : Human Beings}, and language.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:31 p.m.    

Be more specific. Its been over 350 years of Russian genocide

of Ukrainians.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 6:42 p.m.    

Thank you. It's in the genes.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:18 p.m.    

LIAR!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 6:43 a.m.    

How about the Holly Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church [in Moscow] instructing the Metropolitan of Kyiv in 1626 to impound all religious publications in Old Ukrainian?

In 1748, Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and all schools of Ukraine were ordered to use Russian as the language of instruction; in 1759, all Ukrainian ABCs were ordered impounded in the Ukrainian schools; in 1769, the Synod ordered all of them confiscated (under Polish rule such publications were allowed, but severely persecuted under Kremlin rule).

The following denationalizing trends aimed against the Ukrainian people must be placed on record in Ukrainian and Russian history:

• Alex of Russia’s order to punish the publishers of Ukrainian books with death (1667);

• Catherine II’s secret letter of instruction to Prince Rumyantsev, Governor General of Ukraine, concerning Russification of the populace, “so they stop looking for foreign alliances (1764)”;

• Decree by Russia’s Minister of Education Shishkov (1824), reading that “any word in Little Russian must be banned because it threatens Russia’s integrity as a state;

• Russia’s Interior Minister Peter Valuyev’s circular (1863), to the effect that no textbooks, literary works can be published in Ukrainian because this language “has never existed and shall never exist”;

• His 1870 successor Tolstoy’s directive read that “all people who represent other ethnic groups must be Russified…”

Under the Kremlin, this denationalizing policy was scrupulously pursued, with 120,000 Ukrainians — mostly intellectuals and religious figures — arrested, shot, or thrown behind Gulag barbed wire.

All Ukrainian language schools, colleges, universities, and publishing houses were closed in 1930-37 — in the Kuban region, Siberia, Far East, and other regions of the RSFSR.

In 1933, a plenary meeting of the Kremlin passed a resolution that spelled the destruction of more than 3,000 Ukrainian books and dictionaries.

In 1951, 800 Kharkiv University students were arrested by the NKVD; 33 were shot because they had refused to take exams in Russian. In 1983, CC CPSU passed a resolution entitled “On 16 Percent Pay Rise for Russian Language and Literature Teachers in Ukraine,” followed by the resolution “On Russian as the Only Official Language of the Soviet Union” in 1989.

There are over 180 ukases and decrees issued by tsarist and Soviet Russian authorities, all geared to ban, destroy the Ukrainian language, culture, and religion. This was a constant undeclared war against the Ukrainian people.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/ukraine/detail/116369/#ixzz1dH3nBvKd

PS Obviously, &quot;LIER!&quot; is not an intelligent rebuttal.

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2011, 10:13 p.m.    

All those obscenities e.g., monuments to 'soviet' liberators should be destroyed or send back to russia. I recently saw that crude russian propaganda including the 'victory' parade on the red square in moscow - it was impressive - helas - unfinished 'glorious' parade. Those poor pathetic russian slaves goosestepped from the red square DIRECTLY to the gulags; courtesy of the soviet government. Those pathetic russians are truly not human what are they::: AMOEBAS.....

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 2:47 p.m.    

Ne pizdi cunt!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 1:18 a.m.    

Reader's Note: relative to its pious characterization of RT, Kyiv Post constitutes a greater form of propaganda. Kyiv Post's propaganda is anti-Russian.

If anything, RT comes across as more even-handed and intelligent.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5 a.m.    

you're either joking or drinking...everyone knows that RT is like PRAVDA = devoid of ANY truth except the date of publication and even THAT can't be certain! LOL!

Moskali ALWAYS have trouble with truth &amp; reality!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:16 p.m.    

Svidomites like yourself are far more delusional, as evidenced the kind of idiotically inaccurate comments you express.

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 5:08 p.m.    

Yes, you are right. I am just a callous twonk. I only bitch because I don't want to go out in fear that my frozen arse might be buggered by a tundra bear in this shit hole of a country called Canada. So I am sorry. I am a Svidomite!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:58 a.m.    

Go and salivate over your Soviet encyclopedia elsewhere. UKRAINE lost more than twice as many people then the Jews did from 1939-1945.

How many Russians were lost?

Do not count the fact that Georgia lost about 50% of their adult male population - because they are not Russian.

How many Russians were lost?

Do not count the Tatars or Chechens, etc - because they are not Russian.

How many Russians were lost?

100% of UKRAINE was occupied by the Nazis.

What % of Russia was occupied by the Nazis?

The insanely delusional Moskali in the Kremlin again insult UKRAINE and UKRAINIANS with their BS RT headlines.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:15 p.m.    

Idiot, Russia is much larger than Ukraine. The Nazis couldn't get all of it. Russians suffered greatly and played a major role in defeating Nazism.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 5:15 a.m.    

How many Russians were lost?

What % of Russians were lost?

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 6:56 a.m.    

According to A Short History of Ukraine published by the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences in Kiev in 1986, as a result of the Second World War: &quot;The population [of Ukraine] contracted by 13,614,000.&quot; (p. 239).

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 7:57 a.m.    

At the beginning of the war Ukraine's population was 41.9 million.

If Ukraine lost over 30% - What % of Russians were lost?

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:07 p.m.    

None of your fucking business! Hands off Ukraine you worthless piece of shit!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:26 p.m.    

I don't see a number or percentage in your response?

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 4:06 p.m.    

Like I said, none of your fucking business!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 6:21 p.m.    

My...my! Aren't you just a fountain of knowledge!

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 12:36 a.m.    

Piss off cunt!

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 1:19 a.m.    

Are those the only three english words your familiar with?

Mama must be so proud of her drunken Moscal son!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 7:07 p.m.    

Like my nick suggests, I am always Wrong. Ahahahahahaaa!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 3:15 a.m.    

Monuments should not come down be they communist or nationalist they are all part of the history of Ukraine.Better to teach the students in school truthful history.Let them learn so they don't fall for lies,sweet talk by those who promise heaven and deliver hell.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:40 a.m.    

Your contention is that Jews should build statues of Hitler in Israel as part of their history? Your comment is insanely delusional.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 2:39 p.m.    

Despite the pretence of being an intellectual, you are not intelligent or logical. You just don't get the point.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:47 a.m.    

I agree. By leaving the statues, schoolchildren will not have to be told that communism was ugly; they can observe it for themselves!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:45 a.m.    

Once again, Les is less!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 6:38 p.m.    

You are right, I am full of shit ((((((

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 2:37 p.m.    

I take it that you are a nationalist pig and don't get the point. You are a stupid cunt!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 6:07 a.m.    

During the collectivization period 1928-1935 the camps were flooded with &quot;evil&quot; landowners and ordinary and well-off peasants. Hundreds of new camps were built, usually by prisoners in some grim, undeveloped area. By 1935, the Communisst Party possibly ensalved as many as 6,700,000 people in the camps; probably no fewer than 5,000,000. Most of these people were chained to some form of life endangering hard labor. For example, they were forced to build the Belomor Canal under such life-consuming conditions that at least 100,000 prisoners died. (Praised as a monument to the achievements of socialist labor, the canal was little used afterwards.)

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/116299/#ixzz1dB5C6xti

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 6:13 a.m.    

In August, 1919, Lenin made the Party view clear in a telegram: “Lock up all the doubtful ones in a concentration camp outside the city.” As Solzhenitsyn notes, these people are not even “guilty” ones, but only “doubtful”.

A report that the Politburo requested of its Organs in 1956 claimed that 7,000,000 were shot in prison from 1935 to 1940. Credibility is given to this figure in considering that of those who escaped execution at this stage, the pipeline would carry at least 32,600,000 to their death in the camps. Some experts say 60,000,000. A Soviet scientist gives a research estimate of 52,000,000 to 54,000,000 for just the 1930s to 1950s.

Solzhenitsyn claims 70,000,000.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 6:15 a.m.    

If one managed to survive interrogation, then came the dangerous second stage: transportation to one’s final camp. Although there was some variation in means, transport, and mortality between the transportation of prisoners and that of deportees, which highlighted subsequent periods, there were important similarities.

Prisoners (or deportees) were crowded, even sometimes stacked without room to all lie down or sit, in cattle cars or cars converted and partitioned for the purpose, and possibly for some of their transport, in the holds of ships and barges (or even on rafts, as when conveyed by river to some desolate spot where prisoners were told to build their new camp). Generally, the cars were unheated and often unventilated; toilet facilities were hardly adequate and sometimes were simply holes in the floorboards. Some food and water might have been given; sometimes just water; sometimes nothing at all; but never enough. For political prisoners being transported to camps, there was an added danger from the criminals being transported with them.

In gangs, these criminals robbed the politicals, beat and even killed them on a bet or for the joy of it, if not for the best places in the cars, or for the political’s food and water.

These transports may have lasted many weeks as cars were pulled from one siding to another, in fits and lurches to finally reach some dispersal camp (with its own dangers and mortality). And then again another transport, this time to some remote camp in, say, Siberia.

How many died on these trips? The only hard estimates we have are from deportations.

In some cases the death rate reached 50 percent, especially for those crowded in cattle cars for several weeks during winter.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 3:31 p.m.    

Typical Russian extremist, communist response is foul language, name calling and pornography when there is no answer. Ugly foul culture.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 7:47 p.m.    

Don't piss yourself bitching, you'll freeze your bollocks off!))))))))

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:21 p.m.    

You're such a gentle soul....stupid..but gentle!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:34 p.m.    

Piss off you bag of shite and hands off my Ukraine!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:58 p.m.    

You are illiterate... moron. The word is 'shit'.

Now off to school you go.

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 4:05 p.m.    

You are a twat full of shite! Keep out of Ukraine!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 6:18 p.m.    

Ukraine hates characters like you...just for being stupid and traitorous and completely uncultured.

Have you ever been there? If not...stay away.

You're a disgrace.

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 12:35 a.m.    

Hands off my Ukraine! We don't need fucks like you poluting my country! We will fight to keep it free of parasites like you! Sosi xyj urod!

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 1:16 a.m.    

You've never been to Ukraine....you're writing from outside Ukraine's borders.

And your unfamiliar with the Ukrainian language.

You're no more than a lazy drunken moscal provacateur. I think I've kicked your ass once before!

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Anonymous Nov. 13, 2011, 3:56 p.m.    

It is your arse and the arses of your traitor Nazi batkov that have been kicked as far as Canada! I have Ukraine. You have delusions and tundra!

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Anonymous Nov. 13, 2011, 4:16 p.m.    

Aha....Canada...the greatest and best country on the planet!

Wish you were here...but it'll never happen!

They don't let drunken moscal provocateurs into this country.

I'm afraid morons like you will forever be roaming Moscow desperately searching for a way out.

Even Ukraine doesn't want you and won't let you in!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 3:29 p.m.    

Someday when Ukraine is truely free from Russian extemists and communists Ukraine will be truely free to write a truthful history and no longer be a victim to false history written by Ukraine's invaders, oppressors and mass murderers of Ukrainians.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:12 p.m.    

The Svidomite historical view is filled with anti-Rusisan half truths and outright lies.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 7:46 p.m.    

You are delusional, naive and stupid! Yanuk is already writing your history for you and he is a xoxol, so here is your truth. Eat it!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:19 p.m.    

Come to mama little one. I'll teach you all you need to know.

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 4:10 p.m.    

Ne pizdi gavnjuk, a to jajza otorvu i zastavlju sozhrat! Suka, blja, ti naverno po jebalu ne poluchal poka! Urod, nedonosok, otmorozok, gavno!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 6:13 p.m.    

Come now little tyke....go back to Russia where you can spout your unintelligible gibberish and probably find other mental cases such as yourself...but keep out of Ukraine.

Run along now.

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 12:31 a.m.    

Fuck off cunt and hands off my Ukraine! You don't even speak Ukrainian, you piece of foreign shit! Ahahahahaaaa!

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 1:12 a.m.    

I speak fine. It's you Moscal who don't speak our language.

Off to Russia you go...hurry so that you can drink yourself into oblivion.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 3:39 p.m.    

Russia conquered Ukraine. Mass murdered Ukrainians and banned the Ukrainian language then erected monuments to themselves a &quot;liberators&quot;.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:12 p.m.    

Svidomite half truths and outright lies

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 5:51 a.m.    

You must be referring to the kremlin's version of history.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 7:44 p.m.    

A bit one-sided, farfetched and unsubstantiated! You are clearly out of your depth and unlikely to have ever been to Ukraine. You are most probably from Canada. I would expect something more intelligent from a Canadian, but then again you are a xoxol, so no surprises there. And if you say otherwise, you are a fascist cunt!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 5:50 p.m.    

You are the liar.

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 9:58 p.m.    

You're for saying such.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 5:50 a.m.    

The only thing funnier than a katsap shit stain trying to sound intelligent is one who tries to sound intimidating...

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 1:02 p.m.    

Fuck off!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 5:14 p.m.    

Then you are a fascist cunt!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:06 p.m.    

I'm afraid you have a very unhealthy fixation.

Fortunately there is help available. Try to avail yourself

of same.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:27 p.m.    

You too are a fascist cunt!

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Anonymous Nov. 9, 2011, 11:29 p.m.    

The nazi xoxlol DUPA still hurts by the BIG BOOT the Glorious Red Army give to them and their nazi Germany owners in the teeth. No wonder their powerless angry whine after benevolent Russia LIBERATE the brainless xoxols from the fascism and nazism. Once loser always a loser - this is the xoxol reality, heh, heh, heh :D

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 4:31 a.m.    

The Germans killed over 16 million Russians in WWII. Yeay!!!

The only good Russian is a dead Russian.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 1:04 p.m.    

They also killed a lot of Ukrainians, but that's none of your business, Canadian piece of shit!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:02 p.m.    

You're everyone's dream of a bowel movement.

Thanks for your participation.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:05 p.m.    

Puke on you Canadian piece of shit! Say one more fucking thing and you'll be eating that shit for the rest of your squalid life, pidarast blja!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:12 p.m.    

I know...I know...you're working on your mental health

using verbal gymnastics.

Sorry....you just don't measure up. LOL

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:26 p.m.    

Fucking pussy you are!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:47 p.m.    

I'm your mother...don't talk to me that way! Sheesh!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 4:04 p.m.    

You are a twat full of shite!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 6:09 p.m.    

Silly boy! I think you're into incest?? WOW! Pervert.

Must be a commie non Ukrainian.

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 12:29 a.m.    

Call yourself whatever you like. The truth is you are a twat! Fuck off now and hands off my Ukraine foreign cunt!

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 1:08 a.m.    

Look commie Moscal....Ukraine is not 'yours'...never will be.

Actually it's mine.

Suck on that thought!

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Anonymous Nov. 12, 2011, 9:07 p.m.    

Ha, ha! ))))))) Never thought the day would come and I would see xoxols turning on each other! What a gratifying sight! Ha, ha!! Only shows their stupid Svidomite mentality. Best commedy act of the year! Keep bashing each other into the grave! It is sooooo funny!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 5:57 a.m.    

The &quot;glorious red army&quot; is dead, the soviet union is dead, the russian empire is dead,... Today, Ukrainians dance on all of their graves, then piss on them.... hah, hah, hah, hah!!!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 5:33 p.m.    

I am a Ukrainian, bourn and bread, and I don't share your extremist views and I don't like you foreigners speak for us Ukrainians in such a vile, despicable and thuggish manner about something which carries a lot of sensitivity for most (if not all) Ukrainians and our neighbours in Russia and Belorus! Your views are not representative of the mainstream opinion in Ukraine and you should not claim any right to say what Ukrainians do or indeed what we should do. You have no moral high ground - absolutely none - and I am sick and tired of people like you, who have nothing to do with Ukraine, trying to stir ethnic tensions in my country! Keep your mouth shut and hands off my Ukraine! Zrazumiv?

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 9:59 p.m.    

You're a moron....zraumiv?

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:03 p.m.    

Moron is your pissed up father. Suck my cock bitch! Zrazumiv kurva?

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:14 p.m.    

Too late. Your mother already tried that! Zrazumiv?

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:25 p.m.    

Zrasumiv scho ti govno i scho I fucked your whore mother when she was pregnant with you. That's why you are so fucked up! Pidar blja! Xuj morzhovij! Suck my cock bitch and hands off my Ukraine!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:55 p.m.    

I did notice your mama had puckered lips and was drooling....any explanation for that? Or is it a commie traitor family type thing? LOL!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 3:59 p.m.    

Ne pizdi xyj morzhovyj!

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 10:51 p.m.    

She tried and tried and tried. No way to keep this determined woman at bay. LOL

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 4:01 p.m.    

Your mother is a whore! Ahahahahaaaa!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 2:25 a.m.    

And you are canuk cunt, powerless and irrelevant xoxol, heh, heh, heh :D

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2011, 1:07 p.m.    

Those graves probably stand on the gaves of the victims of Holodomor, you uneducated, uncivilised, ignorant, stinking Nazi cunt! Urod blja!

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Anonymous Nov. 11, 2011, 2:28 a.m.    

Yup, keep scratching your busted DUPA and continue the powerless whine, DEFEATED xoxol shit for brains, heh, heh, heh :D

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Anonymous Nov. 13, 2011, 12:24 a.m.    

Reading some of the comments below, there are a lot of asses here commenting because they think it gives them an air of intelligence. Their language has sunk to that of puke vomited from the mouth of drunk politicians grabbing their crutches and thinking that they still have a hold of the glorious past.

In regards to the memorials, keep them. They are a reminder of the past, of suppression, war, death and terror. Ukraine needs to be reminded of that, as all nations do, with hopes that such things will not happen again. Ukraine suffered much, and some of the comments below display an immature and disregarding view to that suffering, and ignorance to what the war was.

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Anonymous Nov. 13, 2011, 3:25 a.m.    

Ti-i-i-me is on my sid. Yes, it is! Ti-i-i-me is on my side!

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Anonymous Nov. 14, 2011, 12:52 a.m.    

and brains aren't

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Anonymous Nov. 13, 2011, 11:41 a.m.    

.

In Luhansk they destroyed the monument to Taras Shevchenko

http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/na-luganschini-bezslidno-znik-pam-yatnik-tarasu-shevchenku.html

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Anonymous Nov. 13, 2011, 3:59 p.m.    

Who they? Why?

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