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Harvard’s Flier: Ukrainian as ‘linguistic battleground’

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June 26, 2012, 11:25 a.m. | Ukraine — by Ilya Timtchenko

Opposition protesters clash with riot police on June 5, 2012 during a rally in front of the Ukrainian Parliament in Kiev against legislation expanding the use of the Russian language in courts and hospitals in the country's eastern regions that have close ties to Moscow. AFP PHOTO/ GENIA SAVILOV
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Michael Flier is the director of the Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute. His research interests include Slavic linguistics and semiotics of medieval East-Slavic culture. In this Kyiv Post interview, Flier speaks of the structure and development of Ukrainian language and specifically of surzhyk. He shares his own research experience in the field and emphasizes the necessity of Ukrainian being the state language.
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Mykhayl June 26, 2012, 10:25 p.m.    

Слава Icy~

Wow! Not only is the Kyiv Post getting prettier, and English command better it's understanding of what Ukrainian is is becoming balanced. A most impressive read.

I would find interesting of a subsequent interview [or featured editorial series] of the transliteration of Ukrainian into English using Russian [Kiev] and the high breeds from Carpatho Russia into Slovakia and from Lemkivchenya or Lemkovenchia. They call it in McKee's Rocks USA "Carpatho Rucin", "Rus'ian" AKA "Rusyn". Is it in the same form of development, or an incubating of an evaporating envelopment of an old Old Slavonic derivative?

Well enough of Diaspora agendas. Thank you. I enjoyed, no make that respected it.

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Mykhayl June 27, 2012, 6:54 p.m.    

Слава Icy~

So Ukrainian is to be like American Indian, for telling legends [ballads] and secrets when amongst the unknowing?

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IvanovPetrovSidorov June 28, 2012, 6:04 p.m.    

There are plenty of examples where two or more languages can coexist peacefully in the same country. Take Canada for one.

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elmer-елмер June 29, 2012, 12:37 a.m.    

There is a HUGE difference.

Canada has a real, actual democracy.

Zookraine has a sovok mafia, and is a sovok mafia state, where Rooshan is used, or attempted to be used, as a language of control.

Seig heil
дер фюрер хуй хам пидирас янусволоч

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IvanovPetrovSidorov June 29, 2012, 12:59 p.m.    

This is obsurd. It doesn't make sense to confuse the issues in this debate. The language matter is quite simple - if you don't like speaking or using Russian, don't; no-one is compelling you, but, by the same token (and only if you really mean what you say about democracy), don't compell others to abandon their native language. Linguistic tolerance is another attribute of democracy. Humiliating and abusing others makes you no different to the people you seem to despise so obsessively.

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elmer-елмер June 29, 2012, 4:37 p.m.    

Thought long and hard about the "obsurd," did you?

"Don't compel others to abandon their native language."

How is it that Rooshan became the "native language" of UKRAINE?

I'll tell you how - by force.

Today, whoever wants to kak-a away in Rashan while living in UKRAINE can freely do so - and that is exactly what people do, in the streets, in their homes, on TV political talk shows, on TV movies, and everywhere else.

What is "obsurd" here is for you to claim that anyone is being forced to abandon Rooshan.

Humiliating and abusing others is what tsarist and sovok empires have done for centuries.

And now sovok mafiosi continue to do so in Zookraine, via an imagined "crisis" of Rashan language.

What is despicable here is the ridiculous lies and rationalizations that sovok mafiosi invent in order to continue to try to dominate UKRAINE via the Rashan language.

It makes them no different from - sovok mafiosi.

Where in UKRAINE is anyone compelled to abandon their "native language" of Russian?

Or Greek? Or English? Or Hungarian? Or any number of other languages that the sovok mafiosi list in their stupid lies?

Nowhere.

It all exists in the minds of hideous dysfunctional people - sovok mafiosi who still think that Rashan is a "superior language" of "higher culture" and, above all - control.

The person who has confused the issues is you.

I agree - if you don't like speaking or using Rashan - don't.

There is no law that is necessary for that purpose in a true democracy.

But in a sovok mafia state, all sorts of "laws" are "necessary" in order to "protect" the Rooshan "native language" in UKRAINE.

It's the sovok mafia way.

seig heil
дер фюрер хуй хам пидирас янусволоч

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carl June 29, 2012, 6:01 p.m.    

One state language is best if the state is not going to belong in a EU type body. Ukraine appears headed either into EU or Eurasian Union in coming years it would be to advantage of Ukraine as a member to have 2nd state language when it attains membership. For EU German or English for Eurasian Union Russian.

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elmer-елмер June 29, 2012, 8:53 p.m.    

What is the 2nd state language in Poland?

seig heil
дер фюрер хуй хам пидирас янусволоч

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IvanovPetrovSidorov June 29, 2012, 6:55 p.m.    

Here we go again; personal shots, abuse, getto lingo, nonesense. This exemplifies "Ukrainian" mentality and inability to go beyond nationalistic fervor and arrogance of prejudice. Small wonder that issues in the Ukraine are not debated in a mature, educated way, but rather rammed down one's throat or settled at the point of a fist. Both camps use the same tactic to a varied degree of success. No-one is prepared to compromise, no-one is prepared to reason. To the victor go the spoils (no pun intended). Everyone looks to Russia (or Roosha in Zookrainian) to score points. Well, that only affirms Ukrainians' status as nothing more than little rooshans. They are no better. They are not even trying to be anything different. Here is your reality. Move on.

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Mykhayl June 30, 2012, 1:27 a.m.    

Слава Icy~

QUOTE: "Here we go again; personal shots, abuse, getto [ghetto] lingo, nonesense. This exemplifies "Ukrainian" mentality and inability to go beyond nationalistic fervor and arrogance of prejudice..." QUIT QUOTE

If it's Ukrainian it is shortsighted animals?
If it's Russian it is big brother champions.
If it is just English as a second language it would score points.

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AL BALA July 3, 2012, 5:47 p.m.    

"First, this bill was not on the agenda. Second, the procedures for voting on its inclusion in the agenda did not happen. third - this law was made ​​more than 2 thousand amendments. Fourth - no appropriate parliamentary committee has prepared a comparison chart. And fifth - all that could prevent the adoption of this law was violated, "- said at a briefing in Parliament leader" Front of Changes ", deputy of the faction" OU "Arseniy Yatseniuk. He said, "is exemplary voting by bandits rather than MPs."

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AL BALA July 3, 2012, 9:41 p.m.    

Second, the voting was conducted twice. Chornovil notes - the first vote failed: the law took only 219 votes. This meant that the same day could not vote again.

http://tsn.ua/politika/rozveli-yak-koshenyat-regionali-proshtovhnuli-skandalniy-zakon-pro-movi.html

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IvanovPetrovSidorov June 29, 2012, 7:51 p.m.    

Here we go again; personal shots, abuse, getto lingo, nonesense. This exemplifies "Ukrainian" mentality and inability to go beyond nationalistic fervor and arrogance of prejudice. Small wonder that issues in the Ukraine are not debated in a mature, educated way, but rather rammed down one's throat or settled at the point of a fist. Both camps use the same tactic to a varied degree of success. No-one is prepared to compromise, no-one is prepared to reason. To the victor go the spoils (no pun intended). Everyone looks to Russia (or Roosha in Zookrainian) to score points. Well, that only affirms Ukrainians' status as nothing more than little rooshans. They are no better. They are not even trying to be anything different. Here is your reality. Move on.

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elmer-елмер June 29, 2012, 8:28 p.m.    

Well, here we go again - another sovok mafia idiot who doesn't like what's being said about the attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian language, so he invents "abuse" and "getto" and "nonesense."

If you're going to refer to "gettos," at least spell it right - it's ghetto.

If you're going to spout "nonesense," at least spell it right - it's nonsense.

The only ones ramming things down people's throats are the sovok mafia.

Before that, it was the sovoks in the sovok union empire.

Before that, it was the tsarists in the tsarist empire.

What is there to compromise?

The country is UKRAINE.

Here is your reality - the only reason that people kak-a in Rooshan in UKRAINE is the same reason that they kak-a in Rashan in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and all the other Asian stan countries -

Rooshan was rammed down their throats by the sovok union empire.

Before that, they happily spoke their own languages.

The sovok union has fallen apart - it is not a victor.

All of the lunacy and idiocy and deception and falsehoods should have disappeared with the fall of the sovok union.

But here is IvanovPetrovSidorov trying to resurrect the sovok union.

Move on, Ivan Moronovich.

The country is UKRAINE.

Despite centuries of attempts by Muscovy to destroy the Ukrainian language, it still exists.

And by Constitution of Ukraine, it is the official language of Ukraine.

If you want to speak Rashan, move to Kazakhstan.

Move on.

seig heil
дер фюрер праффффессссор хуй хам батяр бандит пидирас янусволоч

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AL BALA June 30, 2012, 10:54 a.m.    

Hi elmer,

I am glad that you finally used the word Muscovy, Most people do dot understand the word "Rashan" or "Rooshan".

Русь - не Московія.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MrKPfQDCwY&feature=related

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kpxoxol July 1, 2012, 3:25 a.m.    

The orange turds stoke hatred, but the fact remains that in Kiev where 70% of the inhabitants are of Ukraine descent while 25% are of Russian, 75% use Russian language in their daily life while only measly 13% use exclusively the bastardized polish language the orange retards call "ukrainian language", heh, heh, heh :D

The orange idiots and their diaspora cronies are linguistic minority and this fact drives them bonkers. LOL :D

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AL BALA July 2, 2012, 9:07 p.m.    

In Ukraine this added to the fact that the magnates were either foreigners or turncoats.

http://www.day.kiev.ua/211846

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AL BALA July 3, 2012, 5:21 p.m.    

In the PoR there is an extremely powerful KGBistsko-Putin wing that works to eliminate the independence of Ukraine,

on the agenda of pro-Russian forces perform tasks assigned to them to achieve the strategic goal - the elimination of Independence and the absorption of Ukraine by Russia.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/harvards-flier-ukrainian-as-linguistic-battlegroun.html

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