Is She Next?

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Sept. 3, 2010, 12:32 a.m. | Ukraine — by Svitlana Tuchynska

Several Yulia Tymoshenko allies are in jail, wanted or facing criminal probes.

Svitlana Tuchynska

President Viktor Yanukovych’s administration says law enforcers are finally cracking down on corruption. But the main targets are people close to former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, who claims political persecution. She will lead an opposition rally on Sept. 7 outside of parliament.
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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 2:42 a.m.    

Good news: finally Tymoshenko behind bars! Justice finally.

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Maria Yaworsky Sept. 3, 2010, 3:53 a.m.    

only if Yanokovych and Putin join her

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 4:15 a.m.    

Arrest as many of BYuT leaders as possible.The nation needs discipline and order while putting the economy in order.To hell with western opinion they will make a big fuss than business as normal.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 12:09 p.m.    

This comment reminds me of the Nazi slogans and look where that led. Without opposition there are no checks or balances and the society without such is doomed to failure. To have total control and thus complete power over the populace can only be maintained by severe repression. Is that the society you want for Ukraine.

A society that is prepared to give up its freedom for the sake of stability will end up with neither!!!

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 6:12 a.m.    

So basically what you want is nazi-style, stalin-style terror.

You don't want law and order - you want discipline and order.

Homo sovieticus - everyone marching alike, no thought, no freedom.

And corruption on the part of those are jamming &quot;discipline and order&quot; down the throat of the people.

Yanukonvikt gets to steal Mezhihirya, Firtash, Kolomoisky, Hajduk and others get to siphon off billions out of the government, and to import Bentleys and other expensive cars through the gray market from Israel order to evade taxes - and the rest of the people get the shaft.

Convenience of government is paramount for you - not freedom and the rights of the people.

For you, it's &quot;to hell with people - hail, hail Firtashia.&quot;

Another blithering idiot sovok relic who has learned nothing from the examples of hitler and stalin, and having learned nothing, has forgotten nothing.

It's because of attitudes like yours that Ukraine has lost population - down to less than 46 million.

It's because of attitudes like yours that Ukraine is a hell-hole ruled by gangsters and prostitutes.

працьують ефективно

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 11:49 a.m.    

do you really believe that a person with a criminal background who can barely speak or read and with the ties to dontes maffia will make order i the country? wha planet are you from?

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 5:27 p.m.    

&quot;discipline and order&quot; - sovok slogan

&quot;ordnung muss sein&quot; - nazi slogan

they are one and the same!

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 6:35 a.m.    

A wonderful and well planned way to get rid of the opposition. Back to the old soviet style. We well take over these peoples country what ever it takes. Time to let world leaders know what is going on. Forward this to leaders in European Union and western governments. It is good someone has the courage to stand against this uneducated soviet puppet.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 7:22 a.m.    

Mr Oleksandr Turchynov is a sexy man.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 7:23 a.m.    

The photos look like most wanted murders and criminals. Lock them up for life.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 11:48 a.m.    

ha-ha, look at the president then... his face has a lot to tell about his days in prison...

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 8:34 a.m.    

BYuT - just like PoR and Nasha Ukrayina - is full of scumbags, thieves, liars, and criminals. Arresting and prosecuting a few of the biggest thieves like Senchenko, Didenko and Makarenko, is a great idea.

Going after Tymoshenko is stupid however (although she deserves it), since she can only benefit from such action. Better leave her to rot in her own misery.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 2:16 p.m.    

Witch hunt or not, from 450 lawmakers in Ukraine, I would hazard a guess at 450 being guilty of screwing the country over at least once in their time.

The RADA is a cesspit and always has been.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 3:06 p.m.    

Put it this way:

I would much rather see a few scumbag politicians from ByuT getting locked up, than no scumbags getting locked up at all. And, arresting the former head of Naftogaz is a pretty damn good place to start.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 3:39 p.m.    

Sad to read articles of this nature, but not unexpected. After all, these are Kuchma people and they tolerate no dissent. First, they will eliminate the most powerful opposition and then they will have complete control.

While I have no doubts re: corruption in BYuT, the biggest source of corruption is PoR...and...of course...they are ignoring those more corrupt PoR characters. They also seem to be ignoring those in OU, probably as thanks for their assistance in helping PoR win the presidential election.

This has nothing to do with corruption, but to stymie any opposition. continues their slide into further corruption thanks to PoR and more restrictions on the basic rights of all Ukrainians. I feel for you Ukraine. In 2004 you rallied to throw out these PoR crooks and supported Yushenko, the leader you chose and who many of us believed would do the right things. Thanks to his incompetence and obstructionist policies, you are heading back to the days before 2004. Yushenko, you behaved like the spoiled brat who took his ball home when he couldn't get his way. You couldn't win, so you threw your support behind the most corrupt party. You are disgusting!

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 4:11 p.m.    

Gene, if you really look at it, Yushchenko supported Firtash - and PoR - long BEFORE the latest presidential election.

When Tymoshenko and BYuT were doing their best to eliminate RosUkrEnergo from its corrupt gas purchase middleman scheme in gas talks with Gazprom - Yushchenko was supporting Firtash - and PoR. True, Tymoshenko was trying to cut RUE and Firtash out of the mix for her own political reasons - to eliminate a source of funding to PoR - but the net effect was the same.

If you look at the Black Sea offshore lease deals, Yushchenko signed the decrees that allowed the mysterious last-minute transfer of the leases from Vanco (Houston, Texas) to Vanco Prykerchenska - an outfit formed in the Virgin Islands by 3 girls, but ultimately belonging to ----- Akhmetov.

Where did Yushchenko's son get the money to gift a $100,000 BMW to one of his girlfriends?

And why did Firtash transfer $53 million to Yushchenko's brother via Petrogas in Dubai (Petrogas being a company owned by Yushchenko's brother)?

And why did Mrs. Yushchneko and family accept jet rides from Firtash to Belgium and other places?

You are right - articles of this nature are sad - and tragic.

These are Kuchma people - gangsters and prostitutes.

And it's not limited to PoR.

This type of government cannot last. Ukraine is losing population, so that now there are fewer than 46 million.

These people live in Koncha Zaspa, where they &quot;rent&quot; expensive mansions, but own ---- nothing. They have Bentleys and Mercedes which they &quot;rent&quot; - but they own nothing.

In their Koncha Zaspa fortresses, and in Mezhihirya, they delude themselves that everything is OK in Ukraine, because they themselves feel no pain.

A country like this cannot last.

Ukraine is dead.

Welcome to Firtashia!

Where one of the main activities is for muckety-mucks to import very expensive Bentleys and Mercedes from Israel on the gray market in order to evade taxes.

And to put out press releases about &quot;reform&quot; and how they are &quot;working effectively.&quot;

And to remove the airwave broadcast licenses of anyone other than Khoroshkovsky, so that other stations like Channel 5 and TVi are limited to cable TV and Internet.

All done &quot;legally.&quot;

Delusional sovok relics, gangsters and prostitutes, and chimps in robes.

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Gene Nelson Sept. 6, 2010, 1:53 a.m.    

I always appreciate your comments Elmer.

I am aware of Yush's actions, as you mentioned with Firtash and I have mentioned them in this forum and another one. I have to believe that the reason Yush took such a hard stand against Yulia...was because of his relationship with Firtash. I believe that what benefitted Firtash, was beneficial for Yush and his family...and probably his party (OU). Yush started out appearing clean, but quickly begin to show he wasn't much different, except, he was not as ruthless as Yanu. Of course, it could be that he was only incompetent and couldn't.

I know that both Yush and Yulia worked under Kuchma, but I've never thought of them as &quot;Kuchma's people&quot;. For the most part, they were outsiders, especially Yulia. At the time when Kuchma ruled, you had to be part of his system to be in govt. When I refer to &quot;the Kuchma people&quot; I refer to the more ruthless and corrupt members of his administration such as most of the current leaders of Yanu's illegal coalition. I think that back in the early 2000's when Kuchma replaced Yush with Yanu and then supported Yanu in the 2004 election, it was because Yanu was ruthless and capable enough to continue PoRs control and Yush was not. Already, we can see some truth in that.

Thanks to Yushenko's behind the back support of Yanu in the last presidential election, Ukraine is headed back to the Kuchma days of corruption, mafia behavior, etc. I've never understood Yush's desire for a &quot;grand coalition&quot; with PoR. Perhaps in hindsight, Yush was actually a &quot;Kuchma person&quot;, only far more incompetent.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 6:24 p.m.    

They're ALL Kuchma's people.

Yushchenko was &quot;Kuchma's people,&quot; until he lost the Rada; Tymoshenko was &quot;Kuchma's people&quot; until he fired her in the same year: 2001.

Tymoshenko pushed for prosecution of PoR's &quot;Kuchma's people&quot; as Prime Minister, but Yushchenko's office's &quot;Kuchma's people&quot; controlled the Prosecutor General's Office (Piskun, Kuchma's Prosecutor General, 2002-2003, Medvedko, Kuchma's Deputy Prosecutor General, 2002-2004) and blocked her.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 7:40 p.m.    

Turchynov, Economic Advisor to Kuchma, 1993.

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Anonymous Sept. 3, 2010, 4:27 p.m.    

Nothing worse than an ex-con trying to prove how trustworthy and honest he really is?

There is probably a lot of truth in the allegations against Yulia and her band of heros. But does anyone really believe Yanu is now the savior of Ukraine. He could of repented and is now on the righteous path but more than likely he is just another diluted meglomaniac getting rid of his competition.

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 12:47 a.m.    

It won't be the first time for thief oligarch Tymoshenko to end up on the INTERPOL most wanted list - she is known criminal. LOL :D

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 4:39 a.m.    

what about all the other oligarchs that have raped and pillaged our land-do they get a get out of jail card? or are they immune from prosecution? get them all!

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 3:16 a.m.    

Yanukovich is showing Tymoshenko has its done, when you seek your enemies you hit them hard until they cannot again damage you, while Tymo was in power she failed to do this to the Kuchma people, now they rear their heasd to give massive blows to the Byut party. A lesson to be learned but yet not likely for Tymo as they disappear from politics and Ukraine.

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 5:44 p.m.    

The problem is the lesson NOT learned.

Yanukonvikt and his gangsters are simply going back to the days of Kuchma.

They have not learned anything.

What is the point of having a &quot;war of all against all&quot;?

That's not democracy, nor a just society - it's just one group of government (and government-related) gangsters fighting against another group of government (and government-related) gangsters.

And as part of the war, the country and the countryside gets ravaged, pillaged, burned and wasted.

What the heck is the point of that?

As Kharkivyan says - selective justice is not justice.

Corruption has to be eliminated - but how is it that Yanukonvikt can steal Mezhihirya with no consequences?

How is it that Firtash can once again insert himself into a corrupt gas scheme?

How is it that Yanuk's son can buy a $100,000 Range Rover or other expensive vehicle, as reported in Ukrainian Pravda?

For normal people, the lesson to be learned is that Ukraine's government is a madhouse in a sewer - it consists of bass ackwards sovok relic gangsters.

Most normal people would have learned the lesson - we don't want our government to be a madhouse in a sewer.

Most normal people would roll up their sleeves, clean out the sewer, and not only get rid of the sovok relic gangsters, but also change the system - get rid of the madhouse, and put in a normal government house.

With accountability, and with checks and balances.

Unfortunately, the Ukrainian &quot;third way&quot; solution is - do nothing.

And/or leave the country.

And give the insane convict that is the president --- even more powers.

And make sure to eliminate anyone and everyone that is still able to recognize and speak out that the emperor has no clothes.

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 8:44 a.m.    

The greatness of ones enemies has always been an indicator of ones own presence.

Yanukovich and POR are demonstrating to Ukraine and the world just how much they fear the BYUT Oposition in Ukrainian politics...

If they were no threat, then why bother?

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 3:22 p.m.    

perhaps its because she and they did swindle billions? - just a guess

not saying yanu hasnt or wont btw

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 3:33 p.m.    

That is the point... selective justice is no justice at all.

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 3:13 p.m.    

PoR (aka the kremlin) will never learn, always overplaying their hand... When Kuchma put Tymoshenko in prison, it was the birth of her career in opposition... Same will happen this time.. nothing suits her better than the role of martyr... And given how easily the PoR is cast as villain, it will be a very short time before her popularity skyrockets.

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Anonymous Sept. 4, 2010, 8:26 p.m.    

Saint Oilha already wears a gold braided halo,

better not give her a martyr's crown too.

She'll know how to use it.

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Anonymous Sept. 5, 2010, 3:29 p.m.    

First of all is my opinion, that no one should take pseudonym anymore. I will start this now, writing under my official name, although I have to travel to Ukraine some often. The freedom of press demands that also opinions and comments should be given openly. Otherwise we anticipate censorship in a way.

Second there are several indicators, that ukraine courts are not acting independent. Especially because the public prosecutors have a strong position in justice and they are affected by political power not only since yesterday. This is not the invention of Yanukovych, but he utilizes it consistently to diminish the former prime minister and her team.

Third we know this method from Vladmir Putin, just as his affirmations that he attends to strengthen democracy, while restoring dictatorship.

Yanukovich is writing Putins script.

Last it is the right moment to push Ukraine back in autoritarianism, because there will be no real resistance of the european union against this restoration. They have there own problems and besides it is easier that way. For Europe a stable dictatorship might be the favorite option to get a calculable party to deal in Ukraine.

Europe is just making a step back to conservatisim and nationalism.

In the end Ukraine alone has to fight for its democracy and freedom. No one arround will help your country to stay free.

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