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Kyiv Patriarchate denies return to Russian Orthodox Church

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July 28, 2010, 10:31 a.m. | Ukraine — by Interfax-Ukraine
The self-proclaimed "Kiev Patriarchate" has rejected a call by the Moscow Patriarchate to repent and return to the Russian Orthodox Church. "By considering the Kiev Patriarchate to be a schism, the leaders of the Russian Church are manipulating the minds of believers by misleading them and the entire public. There is no church schism in Ukraine, but only the division of jurisdiction (subordination)," the "Kiev Patriarchate" Synod said in statement on Tuesday.

The only possible and acceptable way of overcoming the church division in Ukraine is "by forgetting the current disputes and recognizing the autocephaly [independence] of the local Ukrainian Orthodox Church," the authors said.

The current leaders of the Moscow Patriarchate are trying to involve the Ukrainian authorities in destroying the "Kiev Patriarchate", the statement said.

"It is clear from the speeches and statements made by senior members of the Moscow Patriarchate during the current visit by the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church to Ukraine that they do not want a constructive dialog to overcome the division within the Ukrainian Church, but they want to start systemic demolition of the Kiev Patriarchate under the guise of 'changes in political circumstances' and are trying to involve the Ukrainian authorities in this," the document said.

The statement calls on the believers, clergy and episcopate to unite around the "Kiev Patriarchate" in the face of "new manifestations of aggression on the part of the Moscow Patriarchate against the Ukrainian Church."

Meanwhile, the Moscow Patriarchate said that an increasingly large number of members of schismatic communities in Ukraine are realizing the need to return to the canonical Church.

"Schism is no longer stylish. It was fashionable in 1990s to promote separatism and disintegration; there was resentment in the air. Now people are tired of that, they come to realize that they have to live in this country together with their children and grandchildren," head of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk said Monday in an interview to Inter, a Ukrainian TV channel.

Increasingly more people in Ukraine are beginning to think, "Do we really need to live in the atmosphere of animosity and accusations all the time or will it still be better in the atmosphere of peace and benevolence?" he said.

Today schismatics in many Ukrainian regions express their desire to return to the canonical Church, and this process "constantly continues, although not on a massive scale yet," the metropolitan said.

"People are pressed by this feeling of being unable to participate in the life of universal Orthodoxy. In schism, awareness of one's own inadequacy is very strong," the Moscow Patriarchate official said.
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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 11:20 a.m.    

What of Patriarch Lubomyr Husar of Kyiv and Halych ?

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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 9:43 p.m.    

eventually will unite with UKRAINIAN (not Moskal) Orthodox Church but that will take decades of Ukrainian nation evolution to stability long after traitors and janissaries like Yanukovych have left the stage...in the meantime continue divergent evolution and defend the Nation against Satan's attempts to reinstate reign of terror as was recently attempted by Yanukovych's transformed SBU !

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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 3:36 p.m.    

I agree with the KP position that the the Mp is sowing the seeds of confusion in the minds of the Yanukovich regime and the lay people of Ukraine wgho are on the spritual fence, if you will.

Those who forget history will reap the rewards of their folly. Why?

The MP has conveniently forgot to mention that in the 16th century, they bribed the EP to give up the see of Kyiv under the control of the MP. Essentially, if not for the KP, Mp would note exist today, therefore, in reality, the KP should be the seat of the Patriarch and the MP should be under the auspices of KP.

Alas, that is not so today. The KP must remain firm in their spiritual strength, in spite of the pressure from the MP and the Yanukovich regime, who cannot see the light, and stay the course.

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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 6:45 p.m.    

You fail to grasp a critical point. The Kiev Patriarchate illegally broke away from the Orthodox Church. It is also un-recognized throughout the world as a true Orthodox churh because of its schism. The time is now for the &quot;prodigal sons&quot; to repent and return to the Russian Orthodox Church.

The Kievan church was originally a Metropolitanate of the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the Byzantine patriarch appointed the metropolitan who governed the Church of Rus'. The Metropolitan's residence was originally located in Kiev. As Kiev was losing its political, cultural, and economical significance due to the Mongol invasion, Metropolitan Maximus moved to Vladimir in 1299; his successor, Metropolitan Peter moved the residence to Moscow in 1325.

So-called Ukrainian nationalists conveniently &quot;forget&quot; this fact in order to pursue their own radical agenda.

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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 11:05 p.m.    

You are right. The ukrainian patriots twist their own version of events away from true facts!!!

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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 9:38 p.m.    

Як Сталін зробив з Патріарха всієї Россії - Патріарха Московського і всієї

Русіhttp://174.132.233.238/acts/20/1940/19430904.html

вибачте за москальську, але це цитата оригіналу -

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Одобрив предложения митрополита Сергия, т. Сталин спросил:

а) как будет называться патриарх,

б) когда может быть собран архиерейский Собор,

в) нужна ли какая помощь со стороны Правительства для успешного проведения

Собора (имеется ли помещение, нужен ли транспорт, нужны ли деньги и т. д.).

Сергий ответил, что эти вопросы предварительно ими между собой обсуждались и они

считали бы желательным и правильным, если бы Правительство разрешило принять для

патриарха титул патриарха Московского и всея Руси, хотя патриарх Тихон,

избранный в 1917 г., при Временном правительстве, назывался &quot;патриархом

Московским и всея России&quot;.

Тов. Сталин согласился, сказав, что это правильно.

На второй вопрос митрополит Сергий ответил, что архиерейский Собор можно будет

собрать через месяц, и тогда т. Сталин, улыбнувшись, сказал: &quot;А нельзя ли

проявить большевистские темпы?&quot; Обратившись ко мне, спросил мое мнение, я

высказался, что если мы поможем митрополиту Сергию соответствующим транспортом

для быстрейшей доставки епископата в Москву (самолетами), то Собор мог бы быть

собран и через 3 — 4 дня.

После короткого обмена мнениями договорились, что архиерейский Собор соберется в

Москве 8 сентября.

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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 7:16 p.m.    

Who is using selective history?

From where the waters flow noirth the Orthodox Rus' (Russians) sacked Mother Kyiv (Kiev) in 1169, repeating the plunder in 1203. Everyone remembers the 1204 Catholic sack of Constantinople but not the Orthodox rape of Kyiv in 1169 and again 1203. Never the less history is repeating itself.

There is no heresy, only which bishop gets paid. Let the people decide if Moscow split from Kyiv of Kyiv from Moscow.

Ukraine needs a BILL of RIGHTS,

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Anonymous July 29, 2010, 6:13 a.m.    

What is a &quot;true orthodox church&quot;?

Kirill and his $100,000 watch driving around in limousines and telling everyone that he is the king of the world, and God told him so?

How is it that any church can &quot;illegally break away&quot; from another church?

Freedom of religion is what is accepted in the 21st century - except, of course, by sovok relics, who still want to use the Oily Moozer Roosha orthodox KGB church as a political tool.

This is not 1299 or 1325 - this is the 21st century.

Ukrainians have freedom of religion.

Rooshan orthodox have Kirill flapping his yap and waving his arms for political purposes.

Freedom of religion is better.

And it's legal.

And Ukrainians in the 21st century don't have to ask permission from roosha to worship God in whatever way they want.

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Anonymous July 28, 2010, 10:17 p.m.    

Clearly the Moscow Patriarch is moving in the direction of claiming to be the Patriarch of Rus' not of Moscow. How this will be done and the technicalities that are used will be of interest. By being the Patriarch of Rus' (and originally the head of the church in Rus' had the title of the Metropolitan of Rus' and not any particular city) Kirill will be able to claim equal authority in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus independently of any national boundaries. I also predict that he will come to spend more and more time in Ukraine. I would not be surprised if he will spend his time half in Kyiv and half in Moscow. The only thing he will need is the sanction from the Patriarch in Constantinople but I am sure that the Russians are working in buying him off. This is clear and we must be clear as to what is going on. It's a very devilish and shrewd set of political and ecclesiastical maneuvering that will claim a return to the older tradition of a head of the Church in Rus' being the head of the whole ecclesiastical jurisdiction and not of a city. So it will be the Patriarch of Rus in a few years and not the Patriarch of Moscow or maybe it will the Patriarch of Rus', of Kyiv and of Moscow. Whichever version is used his title will change. Just watch what is going to happen.I do appreciate the comments of Victor Kowalenko who is quite smart and perceptive but he must appreciate that Kirill is going back to a time much further in the past than the 16th century in order to justify his maneuvering. Why else are they pushing a new national holiday to celebrate the baptism of RUs'?

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Anonymous July 29, 2010, 3:36 a.m.    

Is this how uniates and schismatics celebrate St Valdimir's day??

Shame, shame, shame!!!

Thursday July 29, 2010

Bomb at Ukrainian church kills one, eight wounded

KIEV (Reuters) - A bomb exploded at an Orthodox Christian church in the southern Ukrainian city of Zaporizhzhya on Wednesday, killing an 80-year-old woman who media said was a nun and injuring eight other people.

The blast occurred on the day Ukraine celebrated an anniversary of its conversion to Christianity in 988.

It was not immediately clear who planted the device that Ukrainian media quoted local officials as saying was the equivalent of 500 grams of TNT.

There was no claim of responsibility and the local Emergencies Ministry declined to comment. Police were investigating.

&quot;She died on the operating table, she was so seriously wounded,&quot; Nadiya Sevalneva, head of Zaporizhzhya's health department, told Reuters by telephone of the woman she said was aged 80.

Local media reported the woman was a nun at the church at which the bomb went off.

(Writing by Olzhas Auyezov and Dmitry Solovyov; editing by Alison Williams)

Copyright © 2010 Reuters

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Anonymous July 29, 2010, 7:26 a.m.    

Do you like the red flag that I am sowing?

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