Language law fight breaks out ahead of election

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May 31, 2012, 11:46 p.m. | Ukraine — by Yuriy Onyshkiv

A May 24 attempt by pro-presidential lawmakers to adopt legislation that critics say could boost Russian language usage, in turn undermining Ukrainian, triggered a brawl. In a successful bid to block the vote, opposition lawmakers stormed the podium in parliament and roughed up pro-presidential lawmaker Vadym Kolesnichenko (center in torn white shirt), the bill’s author.
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Yuriy Onyshkiv

Ukrainan, Russian language fight goes to core of nation.
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Jaroslaw Sawka June 1, 2012, 1:31 a.m.    

their language and nation NOW, then what will they ever fight for?

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PET ELLI June 1, 2012, 1:41 p.m.    

Those freedom and fairness loving people, who had managed to make Ukrainian the official language of Ukraine, should re group in Canada, and force on Canada to accept official and only language, the language of the natives...

Not practical,, why not..

70 percent of Ukrainians do not speak any Ukrainian, yet some zealous globalist forced this language on them in ill intent,,, to make the bulk of the population strangers on their own land,,

next spep was supposed to do, to move them off Ukraine, since they do not speak this newly invented language, they are probably not Ukrainian,,,

Those who fight for Ukrainian language rights, only fight as they hope soon they can get an immigration visa to the West for their service of sabotage and disruption..

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Eckard von Goeden June 1, 2012, 3:05 p.m.    

very good comment !

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 12:05 p.m.    

Do you speak surzhyk as well?

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Roman Dawydiak June 1, 2012, 5:53 p.m.    

Your comments constitute either deliberate deception on behalf of Great Russian chauvinists or abysmal ignorance. From where do you cite &quot;70% of Ukrainians do not speak any Ukrainian&quot;?? This is pure invention. Most people living in Ukraine who are not fluent in the Ukrainian language have at the very least a rudimentary knowledge of the language even though it is not commonly spoken in eastern or southern parts of the country. Furthermore, the modern Ukrainian language has been in existence for centuries. It can hardly be described as new. You shoud save your propaganda for village idiots or brainwashed people as any educated individual could easily discern your vulgar smears against the Ukrainian language as utter rubbish.

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PET ELLI June 1, 2012, 6:44 p.m.    

I have over 60 relatives in Ukraine, in all age groups and all were born in Ukraine, and only 2 of them speaks a bit of Ukrainian.

My wife was born and raised in Ukraine, and do not speak a word of it,, well some words perhaps,, but even that not properly.

The bulk of Ukraine's population do not speak it, and I agree with your comments, that the figures could be much higher than 70 percent of those Ukrainians who can not speak it and also who has absolute no desire to learn Ukrainian that is useless in their own country and has even less value outside of Ukraine..

Who could blame them,,, only Canadian Ukrainians, who left Ukraine 60 years ago, and has this nostalgia about a language that needed to be reinvented and forced on poor ignorant Ukrainians to further insure their povery and economic nightmares,,

Ukrainian was invented to divide the people of Ukraine, and keep them poor.

your comments are as destructive as your anarchist masters

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zivanovich June 2, 2012, 5:56 a.m.    

A stalinist approach would be to commit mass murder of about 10 million russians and then colonize their territory with Ukrainian chauvanists who are too stupid to learn the local language... like your relatives.

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 12:02 p.m.    

Your spelling of chauvanists should be chauvinists and the term russians should be capitalized except in the case of little russsians who are village idiots. For those surzhyks that are interested in improving their lot in life it would be highly advisable to repeat Grade One in a recognized school and continue through to Grade Eight. This should improve their spelling capacity at a basic level.

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 12:25 p.m.    

The term &quot;little russian&quot; is often spelled &quot;little russsian&quot; in surzhyk.

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 11:45 a.m.    

Congratulations to your 2 relatives who have advanced beyond elementary school. The rest I would presume are little russians who can only understand the wannabe anarchist Nestor Makhno's surzhyk (a bastarization of Ukrainian and Russian mixed with some hybrid Mongolian from Tannu Tuva) that was originally designed for village idiots. Heh, heh, heh.

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 4:34 p.m.    

Thanks for your kind words of congratulations.

Unfortunately even that 2 relatives find it a waste of time to have learnt Ukrainian as the bulk of the people they communicate with in business do not speak it, so they use mostly Russian, which is the language of the people.

And if those orange politicians want Ukraine to learn their newly invented Ukrainian/Polish version of Russian, they should improve their own body language in parliament when promoting Ukrainian culture,,,,,

It is deplorable how orange politicians kick and punch other politicians, who no longer want to be dictated and told what to do in this language issue, and choose debate their point of view..

The orange criminals regret they can no longer punch and kick and shove common Ukrainians in to poverty so they take out their frustrations on their fellow MP s.

can any one believe, these scum bags, these rotten orange traitors, had anything good in mind for ordinary Ukrainians,,,????

Well, we only punches, kicks and unti social behaviour from them, and the result of their governance was economic melt down and social conflicts....

all the result of forcing a newly invented Polish/Ukrainian language on the population without due induction and real tangible benefits in mind for the population of Ukraine..

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Eckard von Goeden June 1, 2012, 11:19 a.m.    

yaaawwwn ...

We have other problems than language.

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john richie June 1, 2012, 4:28 p.m.    

This law must be passed if Ukraine wants to model itself on western European countries. Regional and city councils in Britain produce official documents in a full range of languages to suit the needs of people from all over the world.

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Roman Dawydiak June 1, 2012, 6:26 p.m.    

The current language legislation as proposed by the russophile Vadym Kolesnichenko of the Party of Regions is deeply flawed and is inherently anti-Ukrainian. Even the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, Volodymyr Lytvyn and his People's Democratic Party who are allies of the Party of Regions, have clearly stated that they will vote against this proposed bill. If Ukraine is to model itself on western European countries it should retain and protect Ukrainian as the state language while protecting all minority languages including English (the international language of commerce and aviation). Any language bill presented to the Verkhovna Rada should also ensure that there be no conflict in the interpretation of language rights.

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 3:14 p.m.    

Less than 1 million speak English, 2 Million Speaks Hungarian,3 Million speak Gipsy dialects, 4 Million speaks Hucul/Slovak, about 6 Million speaks Ukrainian and 40 million speaks Russian.

Based upon the common sense that language is the most important tool of a nation to exist, so just like in aviation English is imperative to avoid disaster and crashes, likewise Russian is the only state language in Ukraine is imperative to stop the economical crashes and disasters in Ukraine, that was caused by forcing the Ukrainian language on the people, that the vast majority of Ukrainians do not understand at all.

Forcing the people of Ukraine, to speak this newly invented Ukrainian/Polish language, is like forcing the British empire nations, Like Australia/Canada/USA/New Z, TO speak native languages of their lands, would cause socio economical/political domestic disaster in those countries.. all be it those countries are well off, citizens are well educated, and could afford to learn another language...

But that would cause a financial melt down in the British Empire...

Like wise in Ukraine, the brainless aggressive attempt to force a newly invented language on the masses caused Ukraine a socio economical financial meltdown since its reincarnation as a nation.

The purpose of this ill thought idea is, to divide Ukraine and conquer it by causing socio economical turmoil, and using this turmoil as pretext for revolution and subduction by the International banking gangsters,,.

Forcing Ukrainian on the population in Ukraine was meant to destroy peaceful coexistence of the delicate diverse minorities there.

Russian had united Ukraine, Ukrainian divided Ukraine and made it one of the poorest countries in Europe.

It plain to see the way out,, allow the population to communicate in the language they had done so for over a thousand years, and regions can use local dialects/languages as they had done so for over a 1000 years...

The masters of destruction creation of the money changers claimed to give Ukraine a new identity a new sense of pride Ukrainians they thought needed badly,, and then these masters forced the confused Ukraine to immediately attack Russia via Georgia,just to ensure the new identity Ukraine was given can self destroy the population/economy peaceful coexistence of the people there, and drive them to economic disaster and chaos,,,

Any sane person can see the solution to Ukraine's economical revival..

Remove the barriers the West had laid to divide/starve/confuse/impoverish the Ukrainian population,and Ukraine will not be so desperate to join the bankrupt nations of EU, that are looking for cheap new markets and more free property tax paying slaves in Ukraine... to bankrupt and degrade as they do to Spain, Greece, Portugal and so on,,,

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 6:10 p.m.    

The opinions in this commentary are an expression of; 1) a liile russian speaking surzhyk 2) a Moskal 3) a member of the POR 4) a communist 5) an anarchist (Nestor Makno variety) 6) a village idiot 7) a provocateur 8) a member of the judicial, police, and/or health authorities 9) an evil character from any comic book 10) Vladimir Zhirinovsky 11) President Lukashenka of Belarus 12) any combination of the mentioned options. It is possible that there could be other options as well but this should just about cover the entire spectrum.

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 6:26 p.m.    


u r disrespecting native Ukrainians,

Can't you get it to your thick head, this Polish version of Russian you western paid loonatics is as useless here in Ukraine and has no value abroad, as esperanto,,,

Give up on your chaos creating agenda,, and allow the people of Ukraine to get on with their lives...

The only purpose of you trying to force this Polish version of Russian you falsely call Ukrainian, is that you want to produce economic havoc/disaster, as you are jealous, Janu has established social and economical stability by uniting Ukrainians,,,

Remnants of rotten oranges, stooges of people hating racist murderous thief Tymu,,,, bite the dust and look for another place to turn it to hell

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 6:37 p.m.    

Drinking too much samohon destroys brain cells and can make you blind. You should always keep that in mind before posting rubbish.

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 6:50 p.m.    

Drinking too much samohon destroys brain cells and can make you blind. You should always keep that in mind before posting rubbish.

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 6:28 p.m.    

P.S. President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe (highly noted for his knowledge of cavemen and bushmen) is a great admirerer of Vitya but could not post remarks because of his new appointment in the UN tourist industry.

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 6:59 p.m.    

R u with Mugabe right now?

He is not known to befriend caveman like you,,

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Roman Dawydiak June 3, 2012, 10:54 a.m.    

I do not befriend village idiots like the bushman Mugabe or radium bummer cavemen such as yourself. Heh, heh, heh!

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 6:56 p.m.    

Practise target shooting a bit more before shooting off your foul mouth.

I am Canadian, and proud of it...

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Roman Dawydiak June 3, 2012, 10:44 a.m.    

Every country has its losers including Canada. As for target shooting, you were hit right between the eyes. If what you state is true then you come under category 7) a provocateur. Heh, heh, heh!

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PET ELLI June 1, 2012, 6:59 p.m.    

Those who advocate the oppression of language rights of more than 70 per cent of Ukrainians who can not speak it and have no desire to learn it based on traditional and historical merits, these so called Ukrainians are racist and displaying anti social fascist behaviour.

Ukrainian racists has no right to dictate what language the mass population should speak,,,

This is anti democratic and anti European,,

advocates of democracy in Ukraine, the remnants of the rotten orange gangsters, can not face that democracy must be respected even if it means tolerance in linguistic matters.

If democracy is based on minority rule, why would the minority foreign based groups want to force Ukrainian on the population against consent and support of the masses????

People do need need a new identity carved out by international banks with the intent to divide and impoverish ordinary Ukrainians..people need ability to communicate and earn a living,,

Only Ukrainian as official language is the greatest obstacle in the path for economic security in Ukraine..

The invention and brainless impractical forcing of Ukrainian language on Ukrainians had only one motive: to further isolate/annoy Russia, divide its allies, and keep Ukrainians fighting killing each other, like in Iraq, Libya fghanistan, Checoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia,,, should I continue,,,

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zivanovich June 2, 2012, 5:46 a.m.    

No, you should stop. You're only making an idiot of yourself. Pulling fake statistics out of your jopa isn't a convincing argument. The fact that Russian is as widely spoken as it is ttally undermines your bullshit claims of &quot;oppression&quot;

Ukrainians don't care about the kremlin's pathetic obsession with re-imposing its language on its neighbors. Yanucocksucker is just giving the katsap 5th column in Dumbas the same dildo he's used every election. It may feel good to you, but it aint real.

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 6:50 p.m.    

Your comments reflect you need a desperate dose of moral cleansing..

You seem to be hooked on talking about perverse things and your sexually perverted mind is in no condition to give advice on language rights,,

By the way, your language in English hovers at pimps' level,,, I am not suggesting to be ashamed you sound like a common male prostitute from Toronto,,, just need to realize your vocabulary belongs to pigs like you

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AL BALA June 3, 2012, 3:49 a.m.    

Two additional points are worth noting here:

(a) As part of the Kremlin’s intense Russification program designed to destroy Ukraine’s unique culture and history, the Ukrainian language was marginalized, pushed mostly into the shadows; and

(b) because of this marginalization, in February 1986, an article in a Ukrainian-language literary magazine published in Kyiv just a few months before the disaster specifically pointed to all of the problems at Chornobyl, but because this clear warning was in Ukrainian, it was not noted at the time either in Russian-speaking Moscow or by any of the operators of the power plant, who were all ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

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Mykhayl June 2, 2012, 3:47 p.m.    

That's the excuse, what is the reason?

When they start language disputes I wonder;

What kind of a rabbit are they planing to pull out of their hat?

If what they say about the money spending tourists is true,

speaking Ukrainian should bring nice tips.

If Ukrainians don't speak Ukrainian in Ukraine,

than they are going to have to whisper when

they talk about &quot;them&quot; behind their backs.

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 5:38 p.m.    

5 minutes before the EU 2012 is too late to teach 40 million Ukrainian this new language called Ukrainian..

Still for 45 million Ukrainian, the Euro 2012 brings absolutely no benefit, regardless if they speak Chinese or Ukrainian,,, and after the euro 2012 they will have no benefit of it all, in Ukraine, and zero abroad..

Russian is the way to go, it is the uniting force for all slavik people,, as it has been for over 1000 years... like english in the west, spanish in south america and swahili in africa

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PET ELLI June 2, 2012, 5:44 p.m.    

Good point!

Russian is simple, it is the most commonly used language among Slaves world wide.

Ukrainian is a language yet to evolve,,, and in this economically stressed global environment reinventing the wheel, re inventing history has absolute no value,,, having jobs and able to support the family,, does, regardless if its Russian or english,,,

Learning to speak Ukrainian has as much economic and social value as speaking esperamento.. zero

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Roman Dawydiak June 2, 2012, 10:27 p.m.    

You have a lot of gall to speak about the simplicity of languages. &quot;Slaves&quot; are not Slavs and there is no such language called &quot;esperamento&quot;. On the other hand there is a language called Esperanto. Your supporting commentary of the English wizard &quot;Its too late&quot; who believes there are &quot;slavik people&quot; and not &quot;Slavic people&quot; is completely laughable. If you insist on writing a post in the English language and make sense in what you write you should seek a proper education.

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Eckard von Goeden June 3, 2012, 2:47 p.m.    

A banana instead of makink Chevchenko style poetry ?

Uh-uh uh-uh

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AL BALA June 3, 2012, 6:38 a.m.    

&gt;&gt; 1753. Ban {BY THE KREMLIN} on the tuition in Ukrainian at the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy.

&gt;&gt; 1769. Ban {BY THE KREMLIN} on Ukrainian ABC books.

&gt;&gt; 1775. Destruction of the Zaporizka Sich and closure of Ukrainian schools at Cossack centres.

&gt;&gt; 1784. Only “Pure Russian” is allowed {BY THE KREMLIN} as the language of instruction at the Kyiv Religious Academy. {BEFORE THE MOSKALI CAME, UKRAINIAN WAS THE LANGUAGE OF KIEV}

&gt;&gt; 1825 Modern Russian is sometimes said to begin with Pushkin.

“Of course, I loathe my homeland from head to toe – But I was annoyed when a foreigner shares this feeling with me”. Pushkin

&gt;&gt; 1830’s Alexander Pushkin is usually credited with developing Russian literature. Not only is he seen as having originated the highly nuanced level of language which characterizes Russian literature after him, but he is also credited with substantially augmenting the Russian lexicon. Where he found gaps in the Russian vocabulary, he devised calques. His rich vocabulary and highly sensitive style are the foundation for Russian literature. Russian literature virtually begins with Alexander Pushkin. His talent set up new records for development of the Russian language. He became the father of Russian literature in the 19th century.

{PLEASE NOTE: The kremlin {AKA - MUSCOVY} was banning Ukrainian books and literature for over a hundred years before “Russia” had literature or a vocabulary!}

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AL BALA June 3, 2012, 6:47 a.m.    

Gee ? The Moskali want to impose their Aboriginal dialect on Ukraine !!

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Eckard von Goeden June 3, 2012, 2:45 p.m.    

Here, Nazi, have a banana.

Uh-uh uh-uh

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AL BALA June 3, 2012, 6:39 p.m.    

Dear Dubliner from the Kremlin,

Kremlinoids always use the term &quot;Nazi&quot; for non-Russians because they are still trying to bamboozle the world into thinking that Moscow {AKA- MUSCOVY} did not start WWII in cohorts with Hitler and the Nazis. Kremlinoids refrain from mentioning that Moscow bombed the civilian women and children in Helsinki - without a declaration of war - in 1939, because those facts are not included in the homo-sovieticus Soviet Encyclopedia. Homo-sovieticus decided to use the term &quot;Great patriotic war&quot; (6/22/41 - 5/9/45) rather than WWII (3/15/39 - 8/15/45) even though WWII continued for most Eastern European (and Germany) countries until the 1980's or 1990's, because of the systemic occupation and enslavement by Moscow and the Kremlin's KGB.

Unfortunately, for Georgia, the ungrateful barbarians in the Kremlin decided to invade An Eastern European country in 2008 {Georgian territory}, AGAIN!

Georgia lost about 50% of their male population helping to save the USSR. {Actually, the USSR was just a huge Potemkin village put on the map of our planet - in reality it was just a continuation of Muscovy}

After what Moscow did to Georgia in 2008 - in &quot;gratitude&quot; for saving Moscow, the Georgian &quot;Red Army&quot; veterans must be rolling over in their graves.



PS I do not have an ounce of Georgian blood. I just enjoy reading (mainly non-American sources - Including Russian sources) about the blessed destruction of the USSR {AKA - Muscovy}, and hope for the further breakup of Muscovy.

PPS If anyone honestly believes that Georgians, Ukrainians, Latvians, or Estonians [etc] were Socialist and wanted to be in &quot;union&quot; with the Moskali, then they would be plainly insanely delusional.

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Eckard von Goeden June 3, 2012, 7:47 p.m.    

Ok, you want it, you'll get it.

Have another banana, little monkey.

Uh-uh uh-uh

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AL BALA June 3, 2012, 7:26 a.m.    

To: All clueless teenage nashi - brainwashed useful idiots – kremlin propagandists – and – sockpuppets and trolls.

Instead of repeatedly posting disinformation about the Ukrainian and Russian language, you should learn some historical facts:

Ukrainian is an East Slavic language spoken in Ukraine and in Ukrainian communities in neighboring Belarus, russia, Poland, and Slovakia. Ukrainian is a lineal descendant of the colloquial language used in Kievan Rus (10th–13th centuries).

&gt;&gt; 1708 Muscovy changes their name to russian empire.

&gt;&gt; 1710 Pacta et Constitutiones Legum Libertatumque Exercitus Zaporoviensis) was a 1710 constitutional document written by Hetman Pylyp Orlyk. It established a democratic standard for the separation of powers in government between the legislative, executive, and judiciary branches, well before the publication of Montesquieu's Spirit of the Laws. The Constitution also limited the executive authority of the hetman, and established a democratically elected Cossack parliament called the General Council.

Pylyp Orlyk's Constitution was unique for its historic period, and was one of the first state constitutions in Europe.

Orlyk’s basic law never entered into force, and is, by contemporary standards, a simplistic text. Yet, in its time, this document gained recognition as a serious document, and served as a blueprint for future constitutional designs.

Articles 1-3 dealt with general Ukrainian affairs. They proclaimed the Orthodox faith to be the faith of Ukraine, and independent of the patriarch of Moscow. The articles also recognized the need for an anti-Russian alliance between Ukraine and the Crimean Khanate.

&gt;&gt; 1720. Peter I’s {AKA - MUSCOVY} ukase banning the publication and printing of books in Ukrainian.

&gt;&gt; 1740’s The first Grammar of Russian Language was written by Vasily Adodurov in the 1740s, and a more influential one, by Mikhail Lomonosov in 1755.

{PLEASE NOTE: Ukrainian books were banned by the kremlin before the russian language had grammer!}

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AL BALA June 4, 2012, 5:05 p.m.    

GA was ordered not to allow any buses from the western and central regions to the capital.

Administration of the President issued the instruction at all costs to block buses, which are selected people from the regions to participate in protest at the Supreme Council.

&quot;However, as it became known that in eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, government began to hire people to participate in a rally near the parliament proplachennoy in defense bill Kolesnichenko,&quot; - said the report.

So the government knowingly and deliberately, capitalizing on the language issue continues their criminal attempt to provoke opposition in the Ukrainian society&quot;

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AL BALA June 4, 2012, 6:43 p.m.    

Second, is there a problem in Ukraine with the Russian language?

Supporters of the bill say it is and what project it solves, but opponents deny, pointing to the distribution or even the dominance of Russian in most public areas.

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AL BALA June 4, 2012, 6:44 p.m.    

It is possible that members of the Ukrainian power establishment as decided to use concessions to humanitarian issues, which can serve as evidence of the recently initiated a language bill Kivalov-Kolesnichenko.

Obviously, the Ukrainian government today can not make real concessions to Russia in the economic level of the bilateral relationship - joining the Customs Union, the privatization of the Russian business of Ukrainian companies and others. And then has to give in &quot;immaterial&quot; plane, which, in fact, is the status and functioning of regional languages, initiated in noisy draft. First of all, the Russian language.

A popular thesis is that the bill Kivalov-Kolesnichenko was initiated to mobilize the Russian eastern Ukraine and the electorate at the same time discrediting united opposition, which, quite predictably to power, were strongly against the bill initiated. The regime hoped branded as nationalistic opposition against the Russian-speaking population of the eastern regions of the country.

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AL BALA June 11, 2012, 7:02 p.m.    

People's deputies do not know the anthem of Ukraine because &quot;difficult words&quot; (video)

Not all elected representatives in parliament can recall the words of the anthem of Ukraine. Particular difficulties arose in the regionals [Por].

In turn, rehionalka [PoR] Olena Bondarenko also not been tested for knowledge of words national anthem of Ukraine. She tried to read the text of the anthem, but stopped after the third line.

Another representative of the Party of Regions Vladimir Makeyenko believes that the Ukrainian hymn - &quot;difficult words&quot;.


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AL BALA June 11, 2012, 3:03 p.m.    

Facing the prospects of losing a majority in parliament to the political opposition, the Party of Regions is pushing hard to win votes by enhancing the status of the Russian language,

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AL BALA June 11, 2012, 3:05 p.m.    

If adopted, the legislation would allow regional councils throughout Ukraine to sanction the use in formal documents and use by state institutions of any language

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AL BALA June 11, 2012, 3:06 p.m.    

The fear of Ukrainian language proponents is that such legislation would de facto make the Russian language a second state language,

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AL BALA June 11, 2012, 3:29 p.m.    

Gee ? Are these statements from the above article - misleading or misinformed ?

The kremlin (AKA - MUSCOVY) written law states that Russian can REPLACE Ukrainian in UKRAINE when the # of &quot;Russians&quot; - is 10% in the vicinity.

In three letters conjunction &quot;or&quot; allows not accepting {USING} the official language {UKRAINIAN} not only for those in power, but also to all others. Experts .....

PS Link with video.

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AL BALA June 12, 2012, 1:22 p.m.    

Tabachnik called the Ukrainian language &quot;unnecessary&quot; (video)

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