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March 13, 2010, 6:53 p.m. |

The Russian language is stronger than Ukrainian and would become the country's main language if it was given official status, Ukrainian parliament Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn said on Saturday.

The Russian language is stronger than Ukrainian and would become the country's main language if it was given official status, Ukrainian parliament Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn said on Saturday. The question of Ukraine giving official status to the Russian language has become a matter for heated debate since Viktor Yanukovych was elected president in February on the back of strong support in the mainly Russian-speaking east of the country. Read the story here:
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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 7:10 p.m.    

All former British Colonies, Canad, USA, Australi, New Zealand dopted the languge of the British empire..

The former Russian coloniesshould lso adopt the Russian empire's languge, it only mkes sense

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 8:30 p.m.    

how does that make sense? ukraine was never a russian colony, but a vassal state or province. Last time I checked they still speak Hindi in India.

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Edward Gibson March 13, 2010, 9:04 p.m.    

Last time I checked English is an official language there too. Even tiny Singapore can manage four. You want to play with semantics in English? Better to sort out your own linguistic problems.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 8:34 p.m.    

So let them speak Ruthenian in Ruthenia.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 4:34 p.m.    

It was a state of Russia. Little Russia

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 4:33 p.m.    

Britain and a host of other languages. Just ask the liverpool's, the welsh, The Scottish, the Celts, The Irish and Dylan Thomas

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:30 p.m.    

India has 13 official languages, the last time you checked must have been 50 years ago,

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 7:50 p.m.    

:)

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Edward Gibson March 13, 2010, 7:18 p.m.    

And so it should. Ukraine's current language policy is a laughing stock. Why prop up this gibberish? Let it find it's own level. Centuries after independence, the countries of the former British empire all speak English. Perhaps that's why they understand each other. Let regional dialects remain as regional dialects, and let the others communicate in the lingua franca. What's so special about Ruthenian dialects?

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 7:32 p.m.    

very true !

maybe the Ukrainians will come to their senses slowly and accept reality.

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Edward Gibson March 13, 2010, 7:48 p.m.    

This country will never be united. The sooner it is split down the middle, the sooner everyone can get on with their own lives, and the better for all. Right now it's the marriage from hell. The sooner there is a divorce the better. Then let the Ruthenians find someone else to blame for all their woes.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 8:05 p.m.    

splitting is a great idea,,

since you falks are such experts at it, can you help the world to split america up first?

The native people want their lands back, Mexico wants its lands back: California, Texas, New Mexico, Florida, and while at it, Quebeck wants to seperate from Canada, can you help them as well,

Frenc and English, a marriga from hell, like you rightly say...

Once you guys chopped up America, the rest of the world can be united in peace!!!!!

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:24 p.m.    

Because the french never commited genocide against the canadians. If they did, perhaps 80% would be french speakers and the canadianas would be justified in excluding the languiage of murder.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:28 p.m.    

you contradict yourself with your response,,

seems like the only thing that matters to you north american propaganda spinners is to drive avedge between Rusiia and Ukraine,, but you are losing this battle for the last 5 years

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Edward Gibson March 13, 2010, 8:59 p.m.    

Two official languages in Canada.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:18 p.m.    

Then why do you object two official languages in Ukraine?

In Canada, less than 20 % are french, and in Ukraine, are more than 80% russian speaking..

Seems like you North American propaganda masters are caught at your own games!

Free quebeck, give the lands back to the natives, stop stealing their minerals oils diamonds, gas oils, then you can preach in Europe,,, till then just work on liberating quebeck, and give the lands back to the natives, and the mexicans

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 5:32 p.m.    

Where is this Quebeck you keep talking about?

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:41 p.m.    

Not in every province, and only quebeck and New Brunswick where French is spoken.

In quebeck there is still a no english Business sign law in effect.

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Edward Gibson March 13, 2010, 9:25 p.m.    

America and Canada can go to hell in a handbasket for all I care. And they will. No-one then for the Ruthenians to suck up to. That's the point. Things change. Languages evolve. But people will always decide for themselves what language they speak. Oil and water don't mix, no matter how much you agitate.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:38 p.m.    

America forced Ukraine to attack Russia via Georgia.

Then America kicked out of Ukraine, its agents had to pack up, Julia and Jusenko.

Now america wants to tell Ukraine what language to speak, to further bother the Russians..

But America is done in Ukraine, Amerika can not even teach its own citizens to read and write English properly, and the stae is dumping illicit drugs on elementary school yards, to keep north american children dull forever,,,

What otheer language can Americans speak?

Swearing and profanity, that is their skill, 4 letter words,,,

America, educate yourself first, stop the genocide of Iraqis, and go home feed and look after your poor people who can not pay their mortgages on their 3rd and 4 th mortgaged crdeit card burdened houses

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 6:26 a.m.    

russia attacked Georgia. HELLLOOOOOOO?

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 9:56 p.m.    

In English Canada there is no French. In French Canada there is English and French. The English are not smart enough to speak two languages in English Canada. Even though the are a minority the French are powerful because they can work in two languages. They are able to dominate the federal agenda.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:13 p.m.    

If you do not care about keeping Canada and the USA as one nation seperatey, then why do not start breaking up Canada and the USA, instead of trying to break up Ukraine...

All the illegal Mexicans in California want California to be returned to its rightfull owners, Mexico, and all french Canadians want to their own country, and not be part of Canada!

So help these people get their countries back so that they can speak their own languages, and as you had pointed out it is only possible to split the country.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 2:19 a.m.    

Why not try and solve real problems in Ukraine like poverty, corruption, energy?????

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 6:44 p.m.    

Solving these problems requires communication. The ruthenian nazionalist hillbillies are against communication.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 7:48 p.m.    

Why does anything need changing? Doesn't Article 10 of the Ukrainian Consitution back up its commitment to it's already ratified European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages anyway?

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Edward Gibson March 13, 2010, 7:52 p.m.    

Yes. All it needs is the absence of a meddling President. All systems go!

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 8:10 p.m.    

Americ wants to help Ukraine..

As it helped : Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, Iraq, Cambodia, Korea, Pakistn..

America broke up these countries fter asssnating tens of thousands of their people,,

Before the Americans appeared, these people were living and working in peace,,,

America can not take the whole Ukraine, now would opt for half of it, jusst to be able to continue to surround Russia with its missiles and armies

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 8:32 p.m.    

skol !!!

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 3:16 a.m.    

You are anti-American because you are jealous of America, like every other anti-American. Even Cuba, as anti-American as it is, sends its best base ball players for a better, more decent life in the USA. America is the envy of the world. Russia is not. Russia is a footnote, with only gas, oil and nukes going for it.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 10:53 p.m.    

Ukraine would be better off if boith Russia and America left the politics of Ukraine to Ukrainian citizens and there elected officials...

As too language Russia is only spoken in Ukraine because of the prohibition of Ukrainian by the former USSR,,,Russian was the state education language,,,,if people really want freedom and indipendence they should have the choice of language,,,the regions stong in russian can choose to keep both,,,let all regions print documents and such in both languages,,,,keep everyone happy....

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:45 p.m.    

u r only saying this as america is being kicked out for being such a lousy caretaker of the country after their forcefull coup of orange invasion had misurably failed, and it only achievement is the attack of russia via georgia

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 3:26 a.m.    

The irony in this remark is that mentorship from Russia is 1,000 times worse than anything America has provided. Russian society honors corruption and brutality. They are completely racist and xenophobic. What exactly is there that Ukraine should emulate from these retarded cousins?

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 5:08 p.m.    

Not like the inbred ruthenian hillbillies Anyway, ice-cream is 1000 times worse than chocolate cake, so that's that!

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 7:47 p.m.    

No, not in both. In one or the other, depending on what the people of the region want.

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Anonymous March 13, 2010, 11:47 p.m.    

Russian is Ukraine's language. Come on. Get real and move on!

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 1:48 a.m.    

If Lytvyn is so concerned then why did he join with POR?

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 1:51 a.m.    

he is not concerned, his words are twisted

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 4:36 a.m.    

Because they are better then nothing.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 2:15 a.m.    

Ukrainian language has survived worse - it will never die.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 4:09 p.m.    

Its only spoken properly in Poltava. Lviv is a polish mixture, When spoken properly it sounds great.

I think each regions should be able to decide what languages that would like to also include as an official language. The more the merry. Diversity is the key.

Hey in the UK there are many local languages. Gaelic, Welsh, Liverpudlian, Scottish.

In Ukraine you have a host of other languages also. Hungarian, Polish, Hutzal, Tartar. All can include Ukrainian as the first language but also a hot of other languages aliso. hey ion time I am sure many will speak English.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:46 p.m.    

You are essentially describing the status quo, which is perfectly acceptable to the vast majority of Ukrainians. The only exception is the 5th column Russian nationalists who spend most of their time posting on-line hysteria.

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 5:58 a.m.    

Hutzuly are Ukrainian.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 4:46 p.m.    

Ukrainian language is mother of all European languages. It is mostbeautiful language of the world and this is scientifically proven (Lehmann, Effert, et al , Cambridge 1999)

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 4:59 p.m.    

What! That's the mother of all bullshit!

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 5:02 p.m.    

It's no wonder the country is stuffed, with delusional Ruthenian morons running around talking what is demonstrable 100% crap.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 5:27 p.m.    

1 The mother of all European languages is Indo-European, not &quot;Ukrainian&quot;. Your assertion is laughable.

2 There is no way to &quot;scientifically prove&quot; a matter of taste. Also laughable.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 4:47 p.m.    

Exactly. Decades of enforced Russification have not killed Ruthenian where it is spoken naturally. Just like no amount of anti-Russian legislation will kill off Russian where it is spoken naturally. It's just tit-for tat kindergarten nonsense. Ukraine needs to decide whether it wants to embrace the Russian-speaking territories or not. If no, give it to Russia, and you can get back to your dummies and Ruthenian mova. If yes, wake up and grow up.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 10:03 a.m.    

Disgusting Russian 'yazyk' pig grunts coming out of cabbage-shaped skulls with an odor of alcohol and cigarettes makes me sick. The asiatic moskali have always tried to eradicate everything Ukrainian but they will never win. Walk around Ukraine and see all the drunks and sluts (usually in the city centre-because that's where moskali usually are squatters) and observe. Look at the Russian culture - everything stolen from others. If you ever want a shit ride, step into a Lada(based on a 1970 Fiat, Moskvitch,or Volga. I've been all over the world an never saw such shit quality, rude people, and smells like that that comes from Russians (who by the way stole the name 'Rus - and should just be called moskali.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 4:36 p.m.    

Unlike every other culture in the world, ruthenian culture on the other hand did not evolve. It was immaculate conception. No father. Bastards.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 2:06 p.m.    

They all came for the war in Georgia,

About 30 years ago, the soviet Empire began to crumble, as its economy, and the ecomies of its alies, were no longer able and willing to supports its vast military force, so it run out of fuel, and stopped. The last eefort they had mage, trying to revive the military machine, was Afghanistan, where overwhelming american support from Pakistan Iran and Saudi Arabia, had dealt a death blow to the Soviet Military Might They had withdrawn from Eastern europe, and the deal with nato was, no nato forces will replace withdrawing Soviet/Warsaw Pact forces. America watched as its arch enemy crumbled wthout a fight, and got deflated like a huge bloon. Then the US decided to exploit the power vaccum, and went on a rampaging war, to declare itself the world's only super power.

The check and balance the Soviets had provided, was gone. europe was stunned, and it quickly wanted to defend itself from American dictatorship, by forming a common Union, and Military alliance, outside of Nato. The USA came to prevent that, by initiating a war in yugoslavia, to give it an excuse to keep its forces in Europe, to keep Europe under American threat and occupation.

The rest is history,,,Somalia, Ethiopia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a dozen other wars,, as a result of USA no longer had any visible balancing Power.

Then the USA attacked with Israel, Ukraine and Georgian forcs, the Russians, as Bush was desperate to test a weak Russia, and Isreal saw Russia, its only enemy and obstacle in taking over the entire west bank and gaza.

The joint attack on russia by the US and its odd allies, resulted in the first drastic crucial humiliation of the out of control USA military adventurism.

No longer did America looked like a world's only super power, but a deafeted inflated paper tiger.

The Georgian war revealed America's/Nato's alliances' reluctance to finance america's wars of insaity, and cracks on its military might began to appear very rapidly.

The defeat of US forces in Georgia was followed by a financial meltdown of the global economy,, no one can deny the end of America's rain as the only super power was quikly coming to an end.

It costed the US andd the world's economy $20 trillion dollars, to keep america's wars of insanity going,,,$20 trillion, and nothing to show for, except George Bush Jr had made $300 billion in oil money..whilt the netire world lost 0 trillion.

100 years ago America turned the light on in the world, wiith its industrial and technological innovations. The later generations with silver spoons in their mouth, were told to achieve it all via creative visulisations, and if that dont work, use agression, force, brutality, terror...

The US will go back to be a creative force in the world for progressive positive rsults, as it has a good track record of doing that.

In case of Iran, we have heard the same nonsence from Israel over Ieaq. that was an entrapment by Israel, to discredit the west.

Israel must be brought to compliance with modern International standards and norms, and disarmed to prevent it from continuing terrorizing and inflicting holocaust on its neighbours.

Israel pauses much more danger to the world than Iran does. Iran had not attacked any nation n the last 30 years, but Israel had not have a year, without comitting war or war crimes..in the last 30 years..

The people of Isreal wants peace, better working conditions, better wages, not simply a goverment who can only produce wars after wars.

In Ukraine, the the imperialistic expansionism of America ends....

The USA must use all its agents, energy, cia, fbi, irs, and what have you, to improve the standards of living of the american people, and not simply oppress them, suspending their human rights and use them as guilty tax payers, as it had been the case since the Soviet Union fell.

The world wants a strong Russian empire, as it lived a lot better, richer, finer life, when Russia was providing a check, so America will not turn out to be another Hitler,,,

In this, Ukraine is an important contributor to the world's peace!!!

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 2:25 p.m.    

no question.

Ukraine is one of the most important countries of the world.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 4:32 p.m.    

Yes Ukraine certainly is one of the most import countries in the world. There are about 200 others too.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 4:42 p.m.    

But most important and most powerful of all is UKRAINA!!

Keep that in mind :

The name is UKRAINA !!!!!

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 4:58 p.m.    

Greentea is the most important and most powerful beverage in the world. Better than black tea or coffee. Or Pepsi. Or...

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 5:07 p.m.    

horilka ?

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 6:35 p.m.    

Gorilka is better. But that's beside the point :) Anyway, it seems from these postings that it's the Russians who drink, not the Ukrainians.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:40 p.m.    

a shot of horilka might actually make green tea palatable.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:27 p.m.    

You don't like green tea. Here at the green tea centre, we like it. We think everyone should be forced to drink it. It should be forced down everyone's throats, like ruthenian. So they can throw up and go back to drinking coffee.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:41 p.m.    

seems awfully important to you. this forum is drowning in green tea.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:24 p.m.    

Ukraine is drowning in force-fed ruthenian.

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 7:37 a.m.    

Ukraine was drowned in blood spilt by bolsheviks like you.

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 2:41 p.m.    

It was also drowned in blood by the German nazis. But you don't worry about that. They were your buddies.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 5:23 p.m.    

Ukrainian did not die out when Russian was forced onto the whole country. Why would it die out if it remained one of two or more official languages? It will simply retreat to its natural borders, as it should. Given lingustic freedom, people will speak, read and write the language they choose. Without lingustic freedom they will do the same.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:32 p.m.    

Considering the repressive measures that have brought us to the current UN-NATURAL conditions vis-a-vis language, preserving the the status of the Ukrainian language as the SOLE official language in Ukraine is a relatively moderate, and humane means of correcting a historic injustice. My ancestors were from Xarkiv, and they spoke Ukrainian. The kubanski kozaki spoke Ukrainian.. So your ideas of &quot;natural&quot; borders is a product of your own Russian nationalism.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:23 p.m.    

My ancestors were from Brittania. They spoke Latin.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 10:42 p.m.    

they spoke yiddish

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 2:39 p.m.    

Yes, we all know you ruthenians are anti-semitic as well as anti-Russian and anti-freedom. Israel has you firmly in their sights. But that's another story. You have managed to alienate and unite the whole world against your Bandera fairy tales. So you will have to be anti-European, anti-Polish, Anti-American, as well. Anti-everything.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 5:41 p.m.    

Yes I must admitafter checking Google

The Ukrainian language is the mother of all European languages. It is the most beautiful language in the world and this is scientifically proven.

Sorry for my previous mistake.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 6:29 p.m.    

I did not realise that my viewpoint is so significant that ruthenian hiilbilly nazionalists stoop to false flag postings. They must be desperate! So a bunch of modern local dialects is the mother of all European languages. Some feat!

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 6:36 p.m.    

Go and read a book. Read &quot;Die Geschichte der Europaeischen Sprachen&quot; by von Denkert. Or visit your local library if you know what that is. You simply don 't want accept the Ukrainian culture as the leading culture of Europe. Ever heard about Kyivski Rus ?

Obviously not - the heart of Europe. Even in Wales artefacts undoubtedly from Kyivski Rus were found in Celtic chiefs's graves.

End of discussion.

SLAVA UKRAINA !!!

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 7:16 p.m.    

Um, yes, I have heard of the Kievskaia Rus (feminine, not masculine). They arrived in ruthenia 1000 years ago and plundered and stole the land from the previous occupants. They were vikings. The vikings were indeed plundering all over Europe 1000 years ago. The Romans on the other hand were running around Europe 2000 years ago. And the Greeks, when were they king pins? &quot;Leading culture of Europe&quot;? Yes, you're a legend in your mind.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 7:23 p.m.    

The Vikings stem from Ruthenians. Ruthenians are original.

And yes, my Ukrainian is bad but I am working on it. I very much want to speak the most wonderful language in the world.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 7:29 p.m.    

You might like to read Lewis Carroll as well.

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 5:24 p.m.    

Perhaps you're getting confused with &quot;Chariots of the Gods&quot; by von Daniken?

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 8:10 p.m.    

Is it true that Shakespeare was ruthenian?

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 8:28 p.m.    

yes he was

read Ben Jonsons biography by Earl Hargraves and you will find everything you want to know.

He was born Wolodymyr Lubomyrewich Shesperenko, 1664 or 1665 in Lviv. Father became music teacher at the London court and ca 1670 the family moved to London and changed their name - Shakespeare.

Shakespeare is next to Chevchenko the greatest Ukrainian writer.

He wrote in Ukrainian and English.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 8:52 p.m.    

I helped him write some of his sonnets.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:07 p.m.    

I very very doubt this

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:56 p.m.    

But you're not sure?

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 8:16 p.m.    

The Russian language is simply a more internationally recognized language than Ukrainian. 100X more people speak it. It also is rational to use it when writing books as it is more powerful. Even Gogol can attest to this and Taras Shevchenko also often wrote in Russian.

The Ukrainian language is mostly fit for farmers and kholkols living in Western Ukraine. Those diaspora that came from Western Ukraine don't even speak Ukrainian in its pure form anyway as they mix many Polish and Hungarian words in it. It is no secret that the Western Ukraine is the poorest region in Europe.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 8:46 p.m.    

Postings earlier today have revealed that many of this noised jack-booted pro-ruthenian diaspora do not speak ukrainian at all! One mental giant went as far as to say that he saw no need for declensions in his ukrainian (he called them declanations!)

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 8:49 p.m.    

I meant noisy of course. I think we should put this clown in touch with the ruthenian language police. Let him explain to them his theory of elimination of declensions in the ruthenian dialects!

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:09 p.m.    

be fair !

your unfair behaviour reveals that you must be Ruthenian.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:07 p.m.    

didn t you admit misprints caused by yourself ?

be fair !

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:15 p.m.    

It is not possible to mis-type &quot;declensions&quot; as &quot;declanations&quot;. Only ignorance of the word itself, from a self-professed non-ukrainian speaker who admitted that he does not see the need for declensions in ukrainian. Not even a need to learn the word for what it his he does not see the need for.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 11:12 p.m.    

oh boy - you are boring

so much garbage you produced here

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 8:22 p.m.    

So why are you reading it?

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 11:14 p.m.    

declination is used by people who learn GRAMMAR in gERMANY

COMES FROM lATIN - DECLINARE

so who is the asshole here - you Mr greenass

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 2:26 p.m.    

We are speaking English here, not German or Latin

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 2:29 p.m.    

In any case, Latin &quot;declinare&quot; is a verb. The coressponding English verb is &quot;to decline&quot;. The corresponding English noun is &quot;declension&quot;.

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 2:30 p.m.    

sorry, corresponding

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 9:50 p.m.    

The corresponding German word for &quot;declension&quot; is &quot;deklension&quot;. A lot like &quot;declension&quot;. Nothing like &quot;declanation&quot;.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9 p.m.    

Diaspora is an irrelevant, politically and morally bankrupt trash that has no place in modern day Ukraine's life. What some Canadians think should be the official language of Ukraine, concerns only those Canadians. Russian is Ukrainian most common language. Get real and move on.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:20 p.m.    

You nazhi trolls love to foam at the mouth about the diaspora, (pissed off because they escaped your genocide I guess), but the diaspora has got nothing to do with whether Russian is made an official language or not. In case you dimwits haven't figures it out yet, you have just been played... Neither Yanu, nor Lytvin, nor the majority of Ukrainians favors making Russian official. So go cry in you vodka. The empire is dead.... SLAVA UKRAINI !!!

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:23 p.m.    

SLAVA UKRAINI !

SLAVA BANDERI !

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:19 p.m.    

Another false flag posting. This is going to my head. Thank you so much!

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 9:35 p.m.    

We'll see. We nazhis and you ruthis.

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 9:31 p.m.    

Anti-Russian vitriolic postings should be limited to those who care enough about Ukraine to live in the country.

Anti-Russian-language postings should be limted to those to speak Ukrainian, (complete with declensions).

Comparative lingustic comments should be limited to those who speak all the languages being commented on. eg The comment &quot;Ukrainian is the best language in the world&quot; should be limited to those who speak all the languages in the world.

Comparative ethnogeographical comments should be limited to those who know every place being commented on. eg &quot;Ukraine is the best country in the world&quot; should be limited to those have lived in all corners of all countries in the world.

Otherwise the comments are nothing but puerile nazionalist nonsense. In any case, at best they are opinions and matters of taste and do not contribute to the debate in any intellectual way.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:47 p.m.    

yaaaaaaawn

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:50 p.m.    

intellectual - a word that doesn - t suit your verbose excrements.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 9:57 p.m.    

Nazionalists should be rounded up and lined up in front of firing squads.

Slava Ukraini

Slava Banderi

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:08 p.m.    

I thought I wrote that bit about nazionalists. The only nazionalists here are are the ruthenians. Have you defected, like the ruthenians during WW2?

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:06 p.m.    

Thanks for that. I can see that you read my posting through to the end.

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 10:40 p.m.    

you are under 17 - admit and enjoy &quot;discussion&quot; with the big boys

right ?

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Anonymous March 14, 2010, 10:11 p.m.    

You really have an inflated sense of your own importance Mr T..... Not to mention the fact that your bolshevik tendencies are showing... dictating who should be allowed to say what... Apparently thats a common characteristic of Russian nationalists, and that's whats at the root of &quot;re-unifaction with mother Russia&quot;. A gag on Ukrainian language and thought as dictated by the fascist &quot;power vertical&quot;

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Edward Gibson March 14, 2010, 10:17 p.m.    

Ukraine is the best country in the world! I wouln't want to live there though :(

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 1:02 a.m.    

Studies consistently show that Ukrainian and Russian are spoken in approximately equal amounts across Ukraine as a whole, with a greater concentration of Russian speakers in the east and south and in metropolitan areas, and more Ukrainian speakers in central and western areas and, in general, across most of Ukraine's rural areas.

The majority of language texts seem to be written by 2nd and 3rd-generation Ukrainian nationalists living in Canada and the U.S. Their immigrant ancestors experienced Soviet repressions and anti-Ukrainian persecution and passed on a particular view of things that has been idealized by many members of the Ukrainian diaspora to the point of being completely out of touch with the realities and attitudes of modern-day Ukraine.

Here is what is twisted over and over again in statements by the Ukrainian diaspora. First of all, it is assumed that only ethnic Russians are &quot;Russian speakers,&quot; ignoring the fact that approximately 30% of Ukraine's population are people who consider themselves ethnic Ukrainians yet speak Russian among themselves. Next, authors with nationalist leanings often compare the number of ethnic Russians to &quot;those who speak Ukrainian,&quot; which includes Russian speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians who also know Ukrainian. Such agenda-driven twisting of the facts or ignorance is often maddening to those of us who actually live in Ukraine and know the situation to be completely different.

Foreign visitors sometimes ask questions like, &quot;I am going to Odessa for a year. Which language should I learn?&quot; To these and similar questions the diaspora from Western Ukraine often try to tell people to learn Ukrainian &quot;because it is the single official state language,&quot; despite the fact that almost no one speaks Ukrainian in Odessa! Why learn a language that you will hardly be able to use? THe diaspora cannot accept the current state of affairs in Ukraine and insist on correcting historical wrongs even if it is highly impractical for &quot;innocent expats&quot; to do so. So, The diaspora seem to find it personally offensive that someone might choose to learn and practice Russian in Ukraine. Yet, they cannot answer when confronted that the very language they themselves speak is not a pure form of Ukrainian but a &quot;hodge-podge&quot; peppered with Polish and Hungarian words and idioms.

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 2:27 a.m.    

The problem is not diasporan Ukrainians, which carry the torch of our ancestors - those who died and were persecuted for speaking Ukrainian. The problem is that contemporary Ukrainians still carry a sovok chauvanism when it comes to the Ukrainian language. They think it is backwards and refuse not only to learn it, but allow their children to learn it.

There is nothing wrong with Diasporan Ukrainians going to Ukraine and setting a good example by speaking Ukrainian - even in places like Odessa. Let the locals feel ashamed that people in the US and Canada can speak the language and they themselves cannot. I do this all the time when I travel there. I refuse to learn Russian...let THEM learn Ukrainian!!!

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 4:53 p.m.    

HEAR ! HEAR !

Well said Bohdan !

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 4:41 a.m.    

Lang or what ever your name is, you have a tendency to rant on the diaspora a lot. Obviously, you delegate a great deal of your attention on the influence that the diaspora has on Ukraine and world opinion, then you dismiss the diaspora as of no consequence. This tells me that you harbour a great deal of intolerance rooted in ethnic hatred towards the Ukrainian diaspora and people throughout the world and by doing everything possible to mitigate their influence. Much of your disinformation is based on an anti Ukrainian agenda and supportive of a Russian-master servant relationship.

You bounce from pseudonym to pseudonym on these postings of yours here in the Kyiv Post and in other online media sources. Are you that motivated by your hatred of Ukrainians to spend so much of your energy dwelling in dark places. Just what are you getting from this where you continually have a need to hurt an ethnic culture and people that have done you no harm?

Hopefully, you will have the ability to pause and reflect on your life, because ultimately, you are just destroying yourself with your hate of others.

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 4:57 p.m.    

Lang (or whatever his handlers name is) hates the diaspora because his side wasnt able to eliminate them like they did to so many millions of other Ukrainians. Therefore the diaspora will continue to carry the Ukrainian torch and remind everyone of the past atrocities inflicted on Ukraine in the past.

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 5:06 a.m.    

To: All clueless teenage nashi - brainwashed useful idiots – kremlin propagandists – and – sockpuppets and trolls.

Instead of repeatedly posting disinformation about the Ukrainian and Russian language, you should learn some historical facts:

Ukrainian is an East Slavic language spoken in Ukraine and in Ukrainian communities in neighboring Belarus, russia, Poland, and Slovakia. Ukrainian is a lineal descendant of the colloquial language used in Kievan Rus (10th–13th centuries).

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/613050/Ukrainian-language

&gt;&gt; 1708 muscovy changes their name to russian empire.

&gt;&gt;1710 Pacta et Constitutiones Legum Libertatumque Exercitus Zaporoviensis) was a 1710 constitutional document written by Hetman Pylyp Orlyk. It established a democratic standard for the separation of powers in government between the legislative, executive, and judiciary branches, well before the publication of Montesquieu's Spirit of the Laws. The Constitution also limited the executive authority of the hetman, and established a democratically elected Cossack parliament called the General Council.

Pylyp Orlyk's Constitution was unique for its historic period, and was one of the first state constitutions in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pylyp_Orlyk

Orlyk’s basic law never entered into force, and is, by contemporary standards, a simplistic text. Yet, in its time, this document gained recognition as a serious document, and served as a blueprint for future constitutional designs.

Articles 1-3 dealt with general Ukrainian affairs. They proclaimed the Orthodox faith to be the faith of Ukraine, and independent of the patriarch of Moscow. The articles also recognized the need for an anti-Russian alliance between Ukraine and the Crimean Khanate.

&gt;&gt; 1720. Peter I’s ukase banning the publication and printing of books in Ukrainian.

&gt;&gt; 1740’s The first Grammar of Russian Language was written by Vasily Adodurov in the 1740s, and a more influential one, by Mikhail Lomonosov in 1755. {PLEASE NOTE: Ukrainian books were banned by the kremlin before the russian language had grammer!}

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 5:46 a.m.    

I Guess its true... LES IS MORE!

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 5:22 a.m.    

RUSSIAN IS MORE USEFUL TO LEARN COMPARED TO UKRAINIAN.SCIENTISTS,POETS,WRITERS,HISTORIANS EMPLOY RUSSIAN.THERE IS NOT EVEN 1 SCIENCE WORD IN UKR LANGUAGE IT IS TIME FOR THE UKRAINE TO RETURN TO ITS ROOTS AND SPEAK RUSSIAN IN ALL AREAS OF THE COUNTRY

EVEN CHURCH SLAVONIC USED IN KIEVAN RUSSIA TIMES WAS A LANGUAGE MORE CLOSE WITH RUSSIAN

UKRAINIAN IS JUST A MADE UP LANGUAGE TO COUNTER LITHUANIA LANGUAGEAND POLE'S

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 5:40 a.m.    

&gt;&gt; 1753. Ban {BY THE KREMLIN} on the tuition in Ukrainian at the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy.

&gt;&gt; 1769. Ban {BY THE KREMLIN} on Ukrainian ABC books.

&gt;&gt; 1775. Destruction of the Zaporizka Sich and closure of Ukrainian schools at Cossack centres.

&gt;&gt; 1784. Only “Pure Russian” is allowed {BY THE KREMLIN} as the language of instruction at the Kyiv Religious Academy. {BEFORE THE MOSKALI CAME, UKRAINIAN WAS THE LANGUAGE OF KIEV}

&gt;&gt; 1825 Modern Russian is sometimes said to begin with Pushkin.

“Of course, I loathe my homeland from head to toe – But I was annoyed when a foreigner shares this feeling with me”. Pushkin

&gt;&gt; 1830’s Alexander Pushkin is usually credited with developing Russian literature. Not only is he seen as having originated the highly nuanced level of language which characterizes Russian literature after him, but he is also credited with substantially augmenting the Russian lexicon. Where he found gaps in the Russian vocabulary, he devised calques. His rich vocabulary and highly sensitive style are the foundation for Russian literature. Russian literature virtually begins with Alexander Pushkin. His talent set up new records for development of the Russian language. He became the father of Russian literature in the 19th century.

{PLEASE NOTE: The kremlin was banning Ukrainian books and literature for over a hundred years before “Russia” had literature or a vocabulary!}

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Edward Gibson March 15, 2010, 5:05 p.m.    

** 1788 Invasion of Australia by the First Fleet from Britain. Irreversible destruction of aboriginal culture and languages. So let's turn back the clock and force some remote Aboriginal dialect on Australia as the state language, spoken as the lingua franca only on a remote mission somewhere in the outback.

Get real ruthenians. You can't turn back the clock. Not 200 years, and certainly not 1000 years. Wake up to yourselves!

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AL BALA June 3, 2012, 3:54 a.m.    

Thank you for proving my point ! The Moskali want to impose their Aboriginal dialect on Ukraine !!

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Anonymous March 15, 2010, 5:57 a.m.    

I think Mr Lang said it best. Russian is still spoken alot in Ukraine and in the major cities it is spoken more often--and even 20 years after independence. And the diaspora mangled already ukrainian with polish words and they call themselves ukrainian when they live in the west? HA!

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