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The Great Exodus: Ukrainians abroad express dismay at news in homeland

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Dec. 22, 2011, 11:59 p.m. | Ukraine — by Natalia A. Feduschak

A group of Ukrainian immigrants in Clifton, New Jersey circa 1930. The photograph includes members of Ukrainian-Canadian scholar Frank E. Sysyn’s family – his grandfather, grandmother, three aunts and his uncle, John, who returned to his native village of Mshanets, Lviv Oblast at the age of 96 and lived to 100.
© Courtesy of Frank E. Sysyn

Natalia A. Feduschak

Editor’s Note: For centuries, Ukrainians have left their homeland and gone abroad. Part 4 of The Great Exodus series explores how Ukrainians in North America define their cultural heritage.
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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 1:44 a.m.    

“They created a mythical Ukraine that didn’t actively exist,” - that is why they are so delusional and don't make sense.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 5:44 a.m.    

Russian intrigues and intervention in the internal politics of Ukraine is the problem... not the diaspora. But despite the lack of freedom and democracy in Russia - the chickens are coming home to roost for Putin, Medvidiv and United Russia. They will experience in time, the same repudiation by their own people that the tsars and soviets did.

It's really the Russians who are delusional about the mythical empires they held together with repressions and violence - and their desire to re-create this mythical &quot;Great Russia&quot; once again.

It wont work - it never has for very long - and not without great suffering and pain.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 12:33 p.m.    

Stop confusing issues. The article is not about Great Russia. The diaspora always chickens out of any debate about themselves, preferring instead to change the subject and talk about Russia or engage in dishing out blaim and accusations for all their misfortunes. Whatever happened in the past is history. Get over it. You can't change it. This time, YOU are put on the spot, and all you can say in response is that Russians are delusional, even though the article was not written by a Russian. By doing that you are ignoring the issue in question and only prove the point made above. If you keep looking to the Russians and draw parallels with Russia, then you are nothing more than a little russian.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 6:51 p.m.    

Slava Ukraina

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 7:57 p.m.    

Learn Russian first. It is slava UkrainE.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 8:18 p.m.    

Will thinking about what happened 22 years ago please you?

In May 1989 some Estonians headed by Mart Niklus came to Kuchino. They filmed the neighborhood, but the barrack was still locked then.

I came there on 31 August 1989 with the expedition of the Union of the repressed and the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, having the task to exhume the remains of Vasyl Stus and Yuri Lytvyn,buried not far,and Oleksa Tykhiy, buried in Perm. We were prohibited to do this because of the ‘dangerous epidemiological situation’. Then we observed the cells and filmed them, as well as the lock-up cell where Vasyl Stus died. Now this material can be viewed in the film by Stanislav Chernylevski about Vasyl Stus. This film is titled ‘A black candle of the radiant road’. Then I found three keys from the cell locks, and on 9 September I jingled with them from the tribune of the constituent assembly of the Popular Rukh.

For the second time we came to this unforgettable place on 17 November 1989. The Soviet power harassed us, but did not prohibit to take the remains of our compatriots to Ukraine. We had no time to come to the barrack, but later we learned that KGB mobsters bulldozed down the fence, trampled the gates and grates. After this the local population by and by carried away floor planks and roof tiles. Then we thought: let the prison disappear, that is the way it should be!

Fortunately, some Russian people understood the historical value of the last barrack of the last concentration camp. The people belong to the Perm region branch of ‘Memorial’, which appeared in 1988. They decided to reconstruct the camp and to prepare it as a public memorial. Let us agree, this is a civil heroic deed — to demonstrate the shame of their nation to everybody! They are real patriots of Russia, they understood that there is no way for their motherland to return the respect of the world community otherwise as passing through catharsis.

http://www.khpg.org/en/index.php?id=958939878

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/117671/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz1hNoSPrpe

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 9:19 p.m.    

Interesting story, but what has it got to do with the point of the article?

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 9:54 p.m.    

Using the delusional term &quot;little russian&quot; proves that you are clueless.

Just because the delusional Tzar of Muscovy said that Ukrainians are &quot;little russians&quot; does not make Ukrainians &quot;little russians&quot;.

In the Ukrainian Parliament a delusional pagan Moskal states that Ukrainians &quot;dream&quot; to be Russified:

Kivalov assured that Ukrainian dream come true for Russian language (video)

Kivalov said that soon every Ukrainian can watch TV in Russian.

Every citizen will be able to read, write, plead, see TV - in Russian

http://tsn.ua/politika/kivalov-zapevniv-scho-mriyi-ukrayinciv-pro-rosiysku-movu-zbuvayutsya.html

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/politics/detail/119157/#ixzz1hNpKiCO7

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 11:03 p.m.    

Once a little russian, always a little russian. Nothing will ever change that.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 2:30 a.m.    

Ukraine will never be an independent democratic state whilst it remain beholden to presidential rule. The Canadian diaspora live under a de3mocratoc Parliamentary system of government yet they continue to support authoritarian presidential rule in Ukraine (As long as the person who is President is someone to their liking) Try advocating that Canada or Britain become a Presidential system and see how far they get. Democracy is good for Canada and Britain but not Ukraine. Whys is Ukraine denied the right of self determination representative government. The most significant change brought about buy the Orange revolution was the change to Ukraine's Constitution. It was a step in the right direction. Remove presidential power and authority adopt a full Parliamentary system of government as did Estonia and Latvia and all the other former Soviet States.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 2:35 a.m.    

If you look at the last presidential election result for citizens voting abroad Yanukovych was the highest polling candidate. Under a first=past-the-post system of voting Yanukovych would have been elected.

The diaspora is not unified, far from it. Their is no one single group that speaks for Ukraine. They re just as divided as those on engaged in politics in Ukraine. The first past the post winner takes all voting system as used in the presidential election will only divide Ukraine further.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 8:29 a.m.    

Hey wake up and smell the roses.......

Voting from abroad was rigged and false , just as he stuffed ballot boxes in Ukraine......

No Ukr living abroad would vote for Yanukalin!!!!!

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 6:55 p.m.    

Soon Ukrainians will wake up- smelling the bodies rotting again

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 6:46 p.m.    

Ukrainians in the diaspora, especially those who will not return so have no secret agenda only wish Ukraine good not further Slavopile enslavement.

In the tavern they might fight but in the limelight they are one... UKRAINIAN

and democratic so there is no ONE party telling them what to think.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 4:03 a.m.    

Wohlwend expressed concern over the inclusion of a provision in Ukraine's electoral legislation giving the election commission right to amend the electoral rolls on the day of the ballot. This could allow the rigging of the election results, she explained.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/politics/detail/54627/#ixzz1hPhbRzTU

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 4:47 a.m.    

I live in the US and I don't know ANY Ukrainian that would have voted for Yanukovych. All of us knew he is a criminal. I was also shocked at the &quot;vote for no one&quot; nonsense that gave Yanukovych the election.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 5:37 a.m.    

Ukrainians in Australia feel the same as you do.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 11:06 p.m.    

Not only Australia...but anywhere in the world where Ukrainians reside.

They all know Yanukovych is a Donetsk criminal.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 12:57 a.m.    

If PORA supported Kostenko then Kostenko would have had over 3% of the vote, UKRAINE would have had a TRUE UKRAINIAN PATRIOT in the &quot;Verchovna Rada&quot;, and Yanukovych and the communists would have had less seats in the &quot;Verchovna Rada&quot;. Because, the votes that were cast by the UKRAINIANS that voted for Kostenko and PORA were divided by the parties that exceeded the required 3%.

The kremlin {AKA: Muscovy} has been using the age old tactic of &quot;divide and conquer&quot; and UKRAINIANS KEEP FALLING FOR &quot;THE SAME OLD SONG&quot;.

In the Star Wars movies - there was the Dark Force. Well, all of the dark forces in UKRAINE ( - and the KGB Kremlin {AKA: Muscovy} - ) supported Yanukovych in one solid block, and convinced, or paid, many useful idiots to vote for Yanukovych.

Meanwhile, the UKRAINIAN vote was split between many UKRAINIAN parties that were directly, or indirectly funded by the KGB. The KGB gave many small UKRAINIAN political parties 10,000,000's $$$ to divide the UKRAINIAN vote, knowing that they will not achieve the 3% threshold and that a portion of that UKRAINIAN vote will go to yanukovych.

The UKRAINIANS that voted against all (&quot;proty vcix&quot;) also voted for Yanukovych. If you look at a statistical map (of the 2004 elections and the 2010 elections) of the UKRAINIANS that voted against all (&quot;proty vcix&quot;), you will see that in Eastern and Southern UKRAINE the % of UKRAINIANS that voted against all (&quot;proty vcix&quot;) decreased/increased by about only -30% to +10% (in 2010) , while in Western UKRAINE and Central UKRAINE the % of UKRAINIANS that voted against all (&quot;proty vcix&quot;) increased by about 100% to 1,090% (in 2010).

There was a prolonged campaign that ALL of the politicians were bad and UKRAINIANS need &quot;new faces&quot; in politics. This is where yanukovych pulled the &quot;Tigipko Card&quot; also. I was amazed at the amount of votes that Tigipko received. Did UKRAINIANS forget that Tigipko was Yanukovych's right hand man during the 2004 election fraud? Tigipko is just another Yanukovych clone, and a vote for Tigipko (Tihipko?) is a vote for Yanukovych.

PS I am sure that UKRAINIAN students that are members of PORA (and others) will read my comment and understand. I have met hundreds of UKRAINIAN students and I have found ALL of them to be very intelligent, and I was amazed as to the amount of UKRAINIAN students that read and speak English.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/politics/detail/119224/#ixzz1hOwbd24R

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 12:35 p.m.    

Yes, they are uncle Petro and his dog. Ukrainians in Oz. Give me a break!

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 11:11 a.m.    

Yes... Ukrainians in OZ!

Read about us and learn.

http://ozeukes.com/about/

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Anonymous Dec. 25, 2011, 5:09 p.m.    

Ukrainians in Oz. Uncle Petro and his dog? Give me a break, will you.

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Anonymous Jan. 5, 2012, 6:29 a.m.    

Yes... Ukrainians in OZ!

Read about us and learn.

http://ozeukes.com/about/

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 9:21 a.m.    

The old world diaspora has always been out of touch with Ukraine. Those immigrants who stepped off the boat in the new world in the 40s and 50s were primarily displaced persons or DPs who were released from the German slave camps after World War 2. They chose to remember the days in 1939 Lviv when everything seemed warm and fuzzy. To try and impress the intellengtsia (and themselves) in their new found country, they often displayed worthless &quot;doktor&quot; diplomas, which did not fool anyone. They passed to their children and grandchildren that Ukraine was a land of thatched roof homes, young virgin women and old fashioned values. The problem is that these 3rd/4th generation Ukrainian &quot;wannabes&quot; today have no sense of connection with todays Ukraine because their views are time-warped. It is sad that thy find nothing in common with or are distressed to find that most of the 'new wave' post 1991 diaspora often speak Russian and do not subscribe to these old world views.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 5:38 p.m.    

The diaspora's views on Ukraine were fully vindicated in 1991 when over 90% of Ukrainian (IN UKRAINE) voted to abandon the disastrous failure called USSR. The diaspora understands Ukraine perfectly. Thats why they annoy sovoks who prefer to live in a fantasy world of propaganda and dictatorship. But in the end they (the neo-sovoks) will fail, again, and the diaspra will be repeating the phrase that they've grown accustomed to... &quot;I told you so.&quot;

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 7:56 p.m.    

little russian or Moskal?

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 9:16 p.m.    

Of course little russian salo brain.

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Anonymous Dec. 25, 2011, 9:01 a.m.    

Only a superficial view allows - and only about - divide society into ruling and oppressed. ... In post-totalitarian system limit this conflict is de facto through each person, because each in its own way is its victim and support.

http://www.pravda.com.ua/columns/2011/12/23/6860104/

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 6:13 p.m.    

&quot;WASHINGTON, D.C. – Disillusionment with Ukraine is running at an all-time high in the diaspora communities abroad.&quot;

LOL. The LARGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT Ukraine diaspora located in Russia is very happy with MODERN Ukraine led to bright future by the ONLT democraticaly elected President in the Ukraine history - mr Yanukovych.

The facts speak for themselves - Yanukovych is REAL PATRIOT - he rose the living standard of the Ukraine people while the orange mafia which colluded with the US xoxol diaspora pimps and sex traffickers cause Ukraine economy to slump worst in Europe and CIS and turned Ukraine einto a &quot;sex tourism destination&quot; full of children alcoholics and prostitutes.

The xoxol diaspora scumbags holed in yankistan and canukistan who got kicked in the arse by the Ukraine people for their collaboration with the German nazi war criminals are sore grapes and no REAL Ukrainian gives a flying fart about them, heh, heh, heh :D

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 10:44 p.m.    

Rose the living standard of Ukraine? Say wha? Pensions are not even keeping up with inflation in Russia or Ukraine.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 12:53 a.m.    

This year, over 200,000 Ukrainian businesses were closed.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 8:14 p.m.    

&quot;Try to know yourself, your own wickedness. Think on the greatness of God and your wretchedness.&quot;.

PS The Russian Empire {AKA: Muscovy} still exists today, and is trying to expand - and consume and enslave its neighbors.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/119279/#ixzz1hNmXuGFh

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 6:36 p.m.    

Little kutsups

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 3:34 a.m.    

You should peek out from under your rock once in a while katsap. In case you haven't noticed, your &quot;superlooser&quot; Pfutin is still wiping his ass from the load he dropped after the local livestock started protesting his stolen election. And its only the beginning!... We xoxols are really enjoying the slapstick comedy! Hey, how did latest space launch go?... Oh yeah, a big fat failure... like everything in katsapstan. Haw, haw, haw!

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 9:28 a.m.    

Of corse it is only the beginning of the end of the xoxol putana as superleader Putin is going to be elected as expected by your US masters, heh, heh, heh :D

But Putin is only one vector of the betterment in store for Ukraine, considering the fact that Putin is the most popular politician in Ukraine too - no orange xoxolistan crapster (including the convicted criminal Tymoshenko) is anywhere near the Putin popularity in Ukraine. Now go cry us a river, orange xoxol loser :D

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 8:44 p.m.    

Every Russian policy toward Ukraine is aimed to reduce Ukraine's sovereingty. That is a given. The current government of Ukraine is a mafia and Russian cultured but does not want Russian dominance in order to protect their assets.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 1:58 a.m.    

And the previous govt which was not Russian cultured was so good???

Please, enough of your one-sided diatribes.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 2:31 a.m.    

What would you rather tolerate....100% sovok mentality idiot Yanukovych or 80% idiot Yushchenko?

Choices aren't great...but to kill time before someone better comes along....I'll go with Yushchenko as painful as it may be!

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 3:48 a.m.    

Tymoshenko was the real spirit of the Maidan, Yuschenko would have been just another sovok without her. Historic events attest to this fact. She represented a departure from the past, thats why she's such a threat to the sovok mafia, and why they put her in the gulag like they did to Ukrainian patriots in past generations. The good thing is that sovoks are basically incompetent brutes who will eventually become extinct... Just as the Isrealites wandered in the desert for 40 years (so that no slave would enter the promised land), so must Ukraine endure this period until the last of the sovoks rots in his grave... they'll make good fertilizer.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 10:24 p.m.    

If I had a choice...I'd put both Yanukovych and Yushchenko

out of their collective misery as they are both scum.

Tymoshenko would have been head and shoulders above those two gangsters.....even tho she leaves a lot to be desired.

It's been rough road for Ukraine because not one of Ukraine's

leaders has approached the job as a 'servant of the people'.

Perhaps Kravchuk was the best of the lot....and that is not saying much!

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 4:17 a.m.    

Under previous government there was freedom of speech and freedom of press.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 7:41 a.m.    

and the votors were so happy they gave Yuschenko 5% of his re-election vote

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 7:36 a.m.    

The economy was 10x worse during Yush's time.....and there is plenty of freedom of the press and speech over there. You are living in a 1 dimensional world, reading only the Kyiv Post articles that suit you.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 11:02 p.m.    

In a nutshell that sums it up perfectly.

It's all got to do with money and more money and soviet mentality.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 12:50 a.m.    

Almost, &quot;In a nutshell&quot;. The current government of Ukraine is Anti-Ukrainian.

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Anonymous Dec. 23, 2011, 9:14 p.m.    

Rubbish! Same old ranting, nothing sensible, only blaming Russia without acknowledging any responsibility for what's happening.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 7:39 a.m.    

comment above is typical spin by the old world diaspora. Yet another example why their comments are rarely taken seriously by anyone except their own.

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Anonymous Dec. 24, 2011, 9:05 p.m.    

According to the experts more than 50 art memorials have disappeared from the city map in the recent years.

Often situated downtown, they turn into an easy picking for developers and construction companies.

Instead of contracts for preserving history, sky-scrapers tower over the loss of centuries of knowledge.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/119599/#ixzz1hTp694Uw

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