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Visa restrictions thwart trips abroad

21 September, 01:57 | Yuliya Popova, Kyiv Post Staff Writer
Visa restrictions thwart trips abroad
Natalia Kravchuk
People gather near the Spanish Embassy
in Kyiv. Ukrainians complain that Spain
is among one of the most difficult
European Union nations to obtain a visa
from.
Many Ukrainians traveling to Europe have a tale of visa queue woe.

 They are submitting a prodigious amount of paperwork to go on holiday, visit friends or family, study or work abroad – opportunities which are taken for granted by most people in the European Union.

While EU citizens travel visa­free to Kyiv for up to 90 days, some Ukrainians need the same amount of time just for the application to go abroad.

A crew of the historic Cossack boat Chaika waited for two months to sail out of Ukraine to the International Maritime Festival in France this summer. To showcase their vessel among 2,000 other heritage ships from all over the world, President Victor Yushchenko ordered the Cabinet to smooth their journey abroad. But even his word was not enough to override the intricacies of a visa procedure.

“Every week the Foreign Ministry was asking for more paperwork from us. I don’t know if the French Consulate or the ministry is to blame but we received our passes when the competition was over!” a complaining captain Roman Ros said of his visa ordeal.

“I cannot think of another name for this process other than stupidity. We were building this Cossack boat for three and a half years to represent Ukraine at the international level but failed the French mission because of messy traveling rules,” Ros added.

When Ukrainians spend longer waiting for a visa than they would on a ship to France, something has gone wrong.

To reciprocate Ukraine’s policy of open borders to the citizens of the EU, European officials ratified a visa facilitation agreement with Ukraine at the start of 2008.

Businessmen, journalists, students, sportsmen and close relatives of people living abroad expected preferential treatment as a part of this agreement. Yet half a year into the new deal, people continue complaining to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of long queues in the consulates, excessive documents required for a visa and treatment from Foreign Service personnel.

“Despite common procedures envisaged by a new visa agreement, the German consulate is required to explain reasons of a visa rejection whereas in French and Czech consulates it is not a rule,” said expert Iryna Sushko from the Center of Peace, Conversion and Foreign Politics, describing confusion among Ukrainians. She explained that member states apply their own laws to the issues not covered by the agreement discouraging many visa seekers from applying.

German Consul Christiane Hullman said that it is difficult to make all 24 member states issue visas like a well­oiled machine. Nevertheless, she praised the new agreement for reducing fees to 35 euros while other countries still pay twice the amount. “Every third visa is given for free and we are issuing more long­term visas than before,” she commented on the benefits of the simplified procedures.

The German consulate rejected over 5,000 applicants out of 65,000 from the beginning of the year. Falsified documents and insufficient means of travel were among the main reasons for rejection. “It’s always best to tell us your real story…There are fears of illegal migration in the Western Europe,” explained Hullman about the difficulties with entering Germany.

The Foreign Ministry estimated that two million Ukrainians are working illegally abroad.

And with the help of “Iryna” their number is rising monthly.

Her late husband, a former diplomat, left his business of forging travel documents to her. With the help of special chemicals she is wiping out rejection stamps off the passport pages and replaces them with valid visas.

“In summer I help up to 20 people each month through my connections in the embassies. But it’s getting more difficult each year.”

Iryna charges from $5,000 per visa depending on the difficulty of each inquiry. She is a small link in the chain of illegal migration but her activity helps to understand the prejudice against Ukrainians in foreign consulates.

Yet tarring everyone with the same brush may result in cultural isolation. Facing a storm of complaints, the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine offered to hold a joint visa committee with the EU to discuss issues with the Schengen visas in October.

“We have handed the EU a special document, in which we listed specific cases of violations during the implementation of the agreement on the simplified visa procedure,” Deputy Foreign Minister Kostyantun Yeliseyev told wire services.

“Most people who traveled abroad from Ukraine experienced blunt disrespect, unsubstantiated demands and humiliating treatment from foreign embassies and consulates,” said brothers Vitaly and Dymtro Kapranov, popular Ukrainian writers who have launched a public campaign calling on everyone to vote against foreign brutality on their website www.cultura.net.ua

So far Spain is ahead of everyone else in the poll to get the Golden Muzzle award for causing the most resentment to its applicants. Apart from the usual hassle with paperwork, the Spanish consulate requires its visa seekers to report back to the consulate upon their return to Ukraine. Tetyana Kaminska, editor of the interior design magazine Ideas for Your Home, said she was shocked to learn of this “absurd” practice. 

Kaminska said that she wasted two days to give the consulate a photocopy of her passport page with a customs’ stamp proving that she was back from Spain.

“When I came on the first day, a guard told me to come at 8am the next day… When I arrived the following morning, there was a queue of 50 people all standing on the other side of the road because apparently a pavement in front of the consulate is a taboo zone,” she described the beginning of her ordeal. By five o’clock in the evening she said that she was finally invited to come in. “At the door, however, they told me that I can’t proceed further with my female purse. So I was forced to leave it across the road in a luggage room for Hr 5.”

When Kaminskaya reached a clerk’s window after eight hours of waiting, a visa section official asked her if she liked Spain. “No, I didn’t,” she said thinking of the chaos with visas in Ukraine.

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Concerned Conservative  (Guest) | 27.09.2008, 18:44
As long as ukraine remains famous for illegal immigration to the West, then the West *RIGHTLFULLY* needs to keep tighter controls on Visa issuance.
5000 rejections from 65,000 applicants is nothing statistically and there were more than 5,000 illegal immigrants from ukraine in the same time span.
What is even MORE absurd is ukraine\'s archaic OVIR.
With a 5-year multi-entry visa, you can stil only stay for 90 days, then you must register with OVIR for 90 days, then you must LEAVE the country (for technically 90 days, though reality is far different), then the process renews itself.
OBSCENE!
We brought a ukrainian copy of ukraine\'s laws on visas to their consulate in Poland, yet the polite but brain dead consulate worker denied our visa to return to Ukraine, so we had to come in visa-free
Instead of squawking about a small percentage of visa rejections, look at the immense pilfering, fleecing, soaking and out right BRIBERY that goes on in Ukraine on a daily basis, from OVIR to GAI
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Guest  (Guest) | 28.09.2008, 09:42
You are WRONG about the 90 days.
Yes you must register with the OVIR if you plan to stay longer than 90 days under your vis, but thats it!!!, you do NOT have to leave the country every 90 days.
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Concerned Conservative  (Guest) | 18.10.2008, 20:03
You do err.
Regardless of any alleged actual ukrainian LAW, each Oblast operates as it pleases.
In Kharkov - it\'s 90 days and then ïîêà!
FYI - better to let people THINK you are idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubts!
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Guest (Dennis)  (Guest) | 22.09.2008, 02:48
What angers me most about how Ukrainians are treated by Western consulates is the total subjectivity of the decision. It appears to be connected to how well the consulate staff slept the night before, whether you "look" just right, or whether you have a pretty convincing story to tell them. On top of all this subjetivity and humiliation you pay hundreds of Dollars whether you get the visa or not and the consulate staff do not tell you why you were rejected so next time you might prepare a little differently and take care of the supposed deficiencies. In order get a friend of mine to the USA I ended up having to write my Congressman AND the Consulate General in Kiev! Although he had travelled to the USA on a tourist visa AND a student visa a number of times before, never overstayed his visa by even a minute and committed no crimes while in the USA, he was rejected over and over again at great monetary cost. The system MUST be objective and logical!
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Guest  (Guest) | 19.09.2008, 08:30
as being a European man living in Ukraine and Russia fro several years it is a disgrace how European Embassies and will not even talk about the American Embassy, are treating people.
Ukrainian People are not all criminals, and those who are, don't have any problems obtaining visa.
It is a human right, that my girlfriend can join me to a travel to my parents. Without being treated like I would sell her to Red Ligth district in Amsterdam. I know stories about people waiting for 4 months in order to get a tourist visa for 3 weeks.
Stories about giving all e-mail conversations between a man and his Ukrainian girlfriend in order to receive a visa.. Insanity.
Everybody is talking about corruption in Russia. If I give some USD to Russian Embassy I receive visa. But the American Embassy I paid already 300 USD and got kicked out the door in 5 minutes. Why?Nobody knows..
So come on.. We in Europe think that we are so civilised.. Maybe Embassy workers get infected by Ukrianian disease???
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Guest  (Guest) | 19.09.2008, 04:24
From the States, California, I think it's great that Ukraine lets an American visit for 90 days, with no visa. Of course, most Americans only get 3 weeks vacation, at most, but still, during that time many thousands of US dollars can be spent in Ukraine - anywhere from $3000 for an individual to $10,000 for a family.

Also, there are many more Americans that can afford that trip than for example, Ukrainians, so, despite it all, it's a win-win for the economy of Ukraine. The same probably applies to Western Europeans but only Germany comes close to the average American wage. As an example, in California, the average salary is in the $50,000's annually and although we are among the highest in cost of living, the rest of America is not too far behind. Maybe high 30's or 40 thousands, in my opinion.
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Guest  (Guest) | 19.09.2008, 04:05
Reading this makes me angry, its almost as Ukrainians are treated as second rate people in Europe.. where's the liberty and democracy the Europeans so often speak of..
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Guest  (Guest) | 18.09.2008, 20:12
The British embassy is one of the worst. Tried to arrange a two week visit for a friend, unless you tick all boxes. most of which are not related to the purpose of the trip... automatic refusal. they can not think outside the box. A British visa is not cheap. Embassy hopeless. Two faced.
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David Cottrell  (Guest) | 18.09.2008, 19:13
Would someone kindly tell me about their experience obtaining a visa to visit the USA. Is it as bad as this? I would appreciate knowing.
Thanks,
David Cottrell www.ukraineorphans.net
david.cot trell1@verizon.net
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Oksana  (Guest) | 18.09.2008, 19:36
Get US Visa is another story. Embassy staff is very kind (I must admit that I found kind staff at most of Schengen Visa application center I visited so far and never experienced any problems) and no documents more than application form are required. Interview runs for 3-4 minutes and the decision is mostly based on ties with Ukraine (child, husband, a good work).
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Guest  (Guest) | 11.10.2008, 18:46
I came to the US as an international student in 2000 to study mathematics and computer science at MIT. After graduation, I switched to an H1B status and proceeded to work first for Microsoft and later for Google, where I am now.

Over the years, I had a chance to talk to many employees at different US and EU consulates. I found most of them very polite. This is not to say, however, that all visa application rules make sense. Many of them are outright ridiculous.

For example, I recently renewed my Ukrainian foreign passport (ironically, I had to do it because I had run out of visa pages). Now, to be able to go outside the US and come back, I need to get an H1B visa stamp to confirm my legal H1B status in the US.

Problem #1: I cannot do it in the US, even though I have I been legally residing in this country for over 8 years.
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Guest  (Guest) | 11.10.2008, 18:56
(continued)

I told myself that it was not too bad, that I could take some vacation time, go to Europe, and get a visa at one of the US consulates there.

Problem #2: As a citizen of Ukraine, every time I want to go to an EU country, I need to get a visa. Also, if I am applying from the US, I need to show that I have a valid US visa stamp in my passport. That is, there is a chicken-and-egg problem. I cannot got to an EU country to get a US visa stamp, because I need the visa stamp to get a visa to an EU country.

I did not want to pay 1K to go to Ukraine (my home country) just for an H1B visa stamp, and found a great alternative option: Canada!

You do not need a US visa stamp to get a visa to Canada, just a proof that you have a legal status in the US. Now, the only thing left to do is to get a visa to Canada and to schedule an appointment at a US consulate in Canada. Good news, you can do it online at https://www.nvars.com. Bad news, not so fast!
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Guest  (Guest) | 11.10.2008, 19:17
(continued)

Problem #3: You cannot just go and schedule an appointment for the next date available. There are 5 6 or so consulates (Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, etc.). Every one of them lets you schedule an appointment anywhere from 3 to 8 weeks in advance. To check availability, you have to check each location for each month separately, and every time you do that you are forced to enter a captcha code to prove that you are human (as opposed to an automated script).

That would not be too bad if there were any appointments available. However, there aren\'t any, and therefore you are encouraged to come back and to check the website later. I have been doing that every day for the past week, and I have not had much luck. At this point I have two choices: I can either keep trying, or I can pay 1K to fly to Ukraine (home country) to get a US visa stamp there. It is expensive, but who complains, they decreased visa application fees...
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