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Kuchma blames Kyiv for lack of normal relations with Moscow

28 November 2008, 17:22 | Interfax-Ukraine
Kuchma blames Kyiv for lack of normal relations with Moscow
Kyiv (Interfax) - Ukraine should send a strong signal to Russia that they are indeed strategic partners, said ex-president Leonid Kuchma.

"It seems to me that unless confidence between our countries is rebuilt at the very top level, whatever words we say and however beautiful documents we make, all this will not work. No one will be paying attention to them," Kuchma said at the Ukrainian-Russian forum in Kyiv on Friday.

"I can see that Ukraine is creating the main problem. We need to give a strong and clear signal to Russia that Ukraine is its strategic partner not just on a paper, but in whatever is being done both domestically and internationally," the ex-president said.

A change of power is the main pre-requisite, he said.

At the same time, holding new parliamentary elections is "fatal for the country," he said.

"But at least our political elite could have enough brains, which they probably have, and responsibility for the country, and not themselves and their seats, to create a coalition in the parliament, which would be viable, which could actually take responsibility for passing even unpopular measures," said the former president.

"I think we need to ask our political elite: "Dear friends, enough is enough. The president is silent, the parliament is silent, because there is no head," Kuchma said.

The authorities should "show their best cards," he said.

"What we think about NATO, what we think about Russia and where we have our main centers. And whether the centers are in Warsaw and Tbilisi, or maybe still in Moscow and in Brussels," he said.

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elmer    (Guest) | 29.11.2008, 17:09
Mishko, we have a Kremlinite monitoring the Kyiv Post, and he\'s spreading the stinking Kremlin gospel. As far as Kuchma, and \"confidence between our countries is rebuilt at the very top level\" - what does that mean? It means that Ukraine\'s top oligarchs should continue to cut rooshan mafia thug oligarchs into deals in Ukraine, just like Akhmetov cut rooshan mafia thug oligarch into the Vanco Prykerchenska deal. Just like Yushchenko supported Firtash and RosUkrEnergo, half of which is owned by the mafia-government types from Gazprom. Kuchma stole millions from Ukraine \"fair and square\" - and sold off Ukrainian lands to rooshan oligarchs. Kuchma knows how to \"show his best cards\" - he grew rich off of doing that so that he and some select rooshans could enrich himself and themselves at the expense of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine. No conscience, no morals - just \"best cards\" for the Kremlin. And Mishko\'s question is correct - how can ANYONE have normal relations with roosha?
Mike2    (Guest) | 30.11.2008, 15:51
You get the politicians you deserve.

Consider this article an a SYMPTOM of the whereabouts of Ukraine. You might not like it, it hurts. To heal one has to identify the origin of its problems, not deal with the wrong origin.

The Oranges had now four years to get their act cleaned up. Why did it not happen? Because guys like you were satisfied with some provincialistic policies. This was all finaced -temporarily- by heavy crediting. New cars on the streets, new roofs on the houses. This made you think Ukraine was going towards success. Fuck half of the population, we dont need them. Things dont work this way, Elmer. Look around you, the grivna losing half its value in a month time, debts for generations. This was not Akhmetovs fault. Not RosUkr Energo. This is the result of bad management and wrong prioritizing.
Mike2    (Guest) | 30.11.2008, 16:00
As to spreading the gospel...

This is a typical American comment. Differing views dismissed in a caricatural way. This is the reason why the USA is in deep shit right now. The signal of the economy flying into the wall were there for many years now. People warning about this were right away placarded as socialists, communists, liberals, unpatriotic. You name it. This created false debates. So the commentators on tv were all singing the same gospel.

The Carpathian Oranges have a choice: either go super nationalistic... this will lead to a plit of the country as more than half of the population cannot take it anymore. Or switch their brains to the ON position and start working together with ALL the forces in the country to get out of the deep shit.
Mishko    (Guest) | 28.11.2008, 20:09
How can you have normal relations with a country that ignores you as a free and independent nation. Who wants everything done if it favors Moscow. Who has ignored deliniating our borders. Who questions your territorial integrety when you want to join the best security organization in existense, in this case NATO. Who pays you pennies for leasing the Black Sea port for its navy. Who takes advantange of you at every step of the way. Who complains descrimination when the Ukrainian government wants to implement the Ukrainian language in all of its schools. Have they forgotten when they placed Ukrainians in jail and shipped them to Siberia when they used the Ukrainian language during Soviet Times??? The problem with Ukraine today is that they are too good to the russians-Ukrainians. They should all be shipped to russia and be done with them. Russians go to russia, have moscow deal with you. Remember, a good russian is a dead russian!!! Long live Bandera!!!
Mike2    (Guest) | 29.11.2008, 09:58
Fot the sake of your nation, stop whining.

Russia/Soviet Union actually GAVE you a country at all. The birth of the baby was not easy, as is any birth. But Ukraine could have never become a nation at all. You might be a muslim today (ok, with many wives), actually your best underaged girls shipped to Istanbul.

Your language point: you contradict yourself. If you consider Ukraine a democracy, why apply the same philosophy as the Soviets?.

Ukraine (the oranges) lost their credibility when it comes to NATO. You make the point yourself: If NATO is stable, why take debiles like Ukraine and Georgia, who for the sake of their ethnic paranoia are capable of provoking a world war.
Oleksander    (Guest) | 30.11.2008, 05:02
MIke 2.
Russia / Soviet Union GAVE us a nation ??? You sound just like a typical \" tupolobyj katsap\".
Must I remind you again that Kyivska Rus\' was an empire when you moscovite \"laposhniki \"
were still running around dirty , unshaven, dressed in birch-bark and praying to tree stumps.
Now you have petro dollars, some of you have even learned to bathe, but your mentality
is still the same. Look around and listen, the whole world is laughing at you.
Mike2    (Guest) | 30.11.2008, 18:30
What is the point of such a post? Hate expression? Did this kind of hate help Ukraine after the orange events?

Ok, now the village people found the trail to Armani and Merceded shop. Does that make them any smarter? Again, look at Ukraine today. Today is actually still nothing compared to where it will be in 6 month from now.

And no, i am not related to Russians.

For your education, interesting reading for you:

http://www.spiegel.de/int ernational/world/0,1518,578 273,00.html

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