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Aug. 19, 2011, 12:23 a.m. | Editorial — by Kyiv Post

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Credible gas probe would start with Yushchenko and Yanukovych. The show trial of ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has brought enlightening moments.

The world can now more clearly see that ex-President Viktor Yushchenko precipitated the January 2009 gas crisis with Russia by defending the private interests of gas trader RosUkrEnergo.

Far from being the democratic and honest politician who became an international hero for leading the 2004 Orange Revolution, Yushchenko has lost his credibility.

As more comes out about his five-year presidency, we expect people will conclude what we reluctantly and tardily did a few years ago: That Yushchenko is not a truthful man and that he is a major reason for the public’s lack of trust in politicians and disappointment.

Nobody expected anything more or better from President Viktor Yanukovych, or from ex-President Leonid Kuchma, for that matter. But from Yushchenko, we all did.

Ex-President Leonid Kravchuk said that all four of the nation’s presidents “intervened and are intervening in the energy sector, even when they did not and do not have any grounds to do so.
Nobody expected anything more or better from President Viktor Yanukovych, or from ex-President Leonid Kuchma, for that matter. But from Yushchenko, we all did.

” About Yushchenko, Kravchuk said: “He’s one of the guilty ones, and he should sit in the dock next to Tymoshenko.”




First Oleh Dubyna, the former head of the state gas monopoly Naftogaz, said that Yushchenko appeared to be interfering in gas talks with Russia to keep RosUkrEnergo in the mix as an intermediary – despite questions about the transparency, beneficiaries and necessity of the gas trader in the bilateral trade.


Dubyna also said that Yushchenko obstructed in late 2008 a chance for Tymoshenko to clinch a better deal with the Kremlin. Ex-Interior Minister Yuriy Lutsenko also corroborated this account, despite Yushchenko’s denials.

The testimony is consistent with what transpired in the winter of 2008-2009, when Russia cut off gas to Ukraine in a price dispute. While Tymoshenko may be no prize as a politician, she doesn’t deserve to be on trial or in jail for this issue.

If anybody should be investigated on the gas trade, Kravchuk is right: Let's begin with the nation's four presidents, including Yushchenko and Yanukovych.
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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 3:05 p.m.    

You can bet your bottom doallar that iof anyone ios lying it is Yushchenko. I havbe never seen a head of state lose support to the extnt that Yushchenko had. In 2005 he has 52% in 2010 that was less than 5%.

Ysuhehnko is not trusted by anyone, his credibility and respect is zero.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 6:05 p.m.    

Why is Kyiv Post now supporting the Moscali against Ukraine? Who would you believe first, Yushchenko or the Kremlin? That is self evident question, and Kyiv Post has answered it many times before correctly in the past. So why change your answer now?

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 6:36 p.m.    

Yushchenko is not on trial Tymoshenko is and shame on KP for trying to point finger elsewhere.The question at hand is not who else is corrupt but did she break the law.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 8:01 p.m.    

Where does it say that she broke the law! You're imagining things just like the criminals who came up with this made up and falsified case.

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Anonymous Aug. 30, 2011, 1:22 p.m.    

Yushchenko should be on trail he most certainly did misuse and abuse his position of office. I am not a great fan of Tymoshenkom she is every which way a Nutter. Much of what she says is tainted with hysterics. BUT I do not think she or any one should be treated the way she is. She was on the down hill slope. All this is doing is intimidating members of the public from protesting or speaking out. It restores memories of recent history before Ukraine's independence.

For all this I blame Yushchenko. This is is legacy.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 8:03 p.m.    

Yushenko will be sitting in the dock next to Yanukonvict!Their time will come soon enough.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 8:43 p.m.    

yulia is same as them. they were all frauds then and they are all frauds now. how long do we let them waste our country's time with eternal struggling. it will never end and ukraine will never step from underneath their smelly shadows.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 11:48 p.m.    

Yushchenko should have been impeached back in 2007 when he unconsitutionbally dismissed Ukraine's previous Palriamnat and illegally interfered in the independance and operation of Ukraine's Constitutional Court. His actions caused sen months of political and civil unrest and denied Ukraine its democratic rights.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 8:07 p.m.    

I am shocked at Kyiv Post's pointing the finger at everyone except Tymoshenko. This is beyond the pale. If you are funded by her you should take more money from her and stop sending open calls for more advertising. She is in jail and its not right but she's a bloody CRIMINAL ALSO! For god's sake look what's happening in india. That's a real freedom fighter getting a real response. Yulia is as &quot;real&quot; as the call girls in the Hyatt lobby after 10pm. Rubbish editorial!

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 8:09 p.m.    

tell me what she's worth. and tell me how she made it. and tell me what she made in 2009. and tell me how she made it. all your investigative journalism will come to zero dollars. she's a professional white collar criminal who's going through a political trial that is unjust but she's. a. white. collar. criminal. partner. of. lazarenko. who is a very gifted chameleon but rotten to the core like the rest of them!

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 12:12 a.m.    

yes this papaer is so ridiculously biased in favour of Tym.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 6:58 p.m.    

you are:so ridiculously biased AGAINST Tym.

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Anonymous Aug. 30, 2011, 1:42 p.m.    

In think it is reasonaboe balanced. Much more open and less bias the for-ua was. For-ua would not let anyone comment on there web site that did not promote the moderators line. Anita and Freespeech were banned for speaking out against Yushchenko. Not look at ot it is dead and knowone particaptes in its over controlled discussion. Thanks to Tom and Gene Thankfully we have KP.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 8:57 p.m.    

No longer shocked by rubbish anti-Tymoshenko diatribe. Yushenko sabotaged real reforms, a better gas deal and the presidential election. His hate for Tymoshenko was greater than his love for Ukraine.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 11:26 p.m.    

nobody sabotaged the election. she just lost it. just like she will lose it again. people dont vote for losers unless akhmetov is backing them. if he backs her then she will win like yanuk did. but seeming as thats unlikely shes not going anywhere except where she is now. a popular but non dominant political figure who was once dominant but mishandled the majority of government for 3 years. she had the main ministries under sole control as a condition to her coalition, not yushchenko, or do you want to ignore that basic fact of history.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 11:43 p.m.    

The presidnetial system has and will always fail Ukraine. The sooner Ukraine removes presidential power and its over reliance on thye will of one indivdual and the sooner Ukraine takes collective responsibility for its won governance the better off Ukraine will be.

There is no doubt that Yushchenko handed Yanukoych the Presidency. No dount whats so ever. The real issue is why have a directed elected head of state in the first place. Remove presidnetial power and adopt a full parliamentary system of government in line with European values and European models.

A recommendation that PACE and the Veice commission rightly advocated, but was opposed by Yushchenko.

Yushchenko was such a disapointment. He caused far greater harm then good. He betrayed the Nation and the trust placed in him. He will be remebered that is for shore but not in a favorable light.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 11:27 a.m.    

the fact she needed the votes of the least popular man in ukraine, even according to this publication at the time, to beat a twice convicted thug who did not even show up to debate her is testament to her personal failure to gain public support. your comments are the same comments she and her party make everyday for years, anything bad is never her fault it is always a nemesis who holds her down.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 6:06 p.m.    

If Ukraine had a preferntial voting system , one round of voting where canidates are ranked in order of prefernce, not only would teh cost of the election been half the outcome of the ballot would have been much easier to monitor, Both the run-off elction and an Instant run-off ballot produce more or less the same result, every thing elese being equal. At a cost of over 100 million dollars a round preferntial voting would have save Ukraine the cost of over a 100 thousand teachers, doctors or increaed pension paymnets.

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Anonymous Aug. 30, 2011, 1:38 p.m.    

It was always clear that Tymoshenko was not going to win, nor would Yushenko have won it it was not for the support offered by Moroz. Yushenko betrayed all those who supported him back in 2004. He betrayed the Peoples-self defence movement who split with Moroz and trusted Yushchenko.

Yes it was a mistake for Yulia to go head to head with Yanukovych. she should have supported someone such as Hryhoriy Nemyria who with her support would have won the election. Anyone but Yushchenko. Yushchenko was the most despised and hated candidate of them all. Over 85% of Ukrainians stated they would not vote for Yushchenko

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 7:46 p.m.    

It is difficult to win the presidential election when candidates in Ukraine like Yush &amp; Yats encouraged their supporters to not vote. Their support for THEIR coalition partner would have won the election for Yulia and Ukraine would be moving forward towards democracy, not backwards.

Instead, they hated Yulia more than they loved their country and the people they're supposed to represent.

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Anonymous Aug. 21, 2011, 10:14 a.m.    

you assume these men had governing control over their voters. there were 2 candidates for president and every registered voter could vote. those who did not vote abstained because they did not support either candidate and did not care which one one. they did not abstain because yush or yats had them by magic string.

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Anonymous Aug. 22, 2011, 7:25 p.m.    

Voting participation in the last presidential election was only 40% because Yushenko sabotaged the election by collaborating with Yanukovych through telling people not to vote or to vote for no one. Had there even been even 50% voter turnout Yanukovych would have lost. Consider this factor along with Yanukovych's well known vote rigging machine and the president should have been Tymoshenko. Yanukovych disregards and reviles the democratic system through which he was elected (albeit by fluke) and is transforming Ukraine into a dictatorship.

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Anonymous Aug. 21, 2011, 10:12 a.m.    

she would have done the same to them if the shoe was on the other foot. the problem with all opposition and orange politicians today is their self interest overrides everything. she squeezed yush of all foreign powers as a condition to joining his orange coalition. at the end of 2007 he had to give up almost everything in order for her to agree to join him, so he could remove a power gaining yanuk. they are all self interested autocrats seeking only power no integrity.

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Anonymous Aug. 30, 2011, 1:31 p.m.    

Ukraine should not have held a presidential election. It was a total waste of limited resources. Ukraine should have been a parliamentary dmeocracy and the president elected by a contitutional majority of the parliament as is the case in Estonia and Latvia.

It costs over 200 million dollars to conduct the 2010 Presidential elections and for what?

Gene; You;re a part of the demise you tried to silence those who were critics of Yushchenko, you denied Anita and Free speech their right to express their opinion. Then when you started to wake up to what was really happening your gang turned on you. No the for-ua.com site is not existent. One dead drunk expat and now there is no debate at all. You stood by and allowed Yushchenko to trash democracy and deny Ukraine its democratic and constitutional rights.

It's good to see you have finally woken up to the fact that Yushchenko was the problem Bt you need to also realise that the problem is with the office of the president and not just then incumbent.

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Anonymous Aug. 19, 2011, 11:34 p.m.    

&quot;Far from being the democratic and honest politician who became an international hero for leading the 2004 Orange Revolution, Yushchenko has lost his credibility.

As more comes out about his five-year presidency, we expect people will conclude what we reluctantly and tardily did a few years ago: That Yushchenko is not a truthful man and that he is a major reason for the public’s lack of trust in politicians and disappointment.&quot;

An excellent editorial statement nof fact.. even if it is being too polite. Yushchenko was the main cause for disunity divison and conflict in Ukraine. He opposed Ukraine embacing democratic reform.

With less then 5% support his fall from grace could not have been more dramatoic. Even Kuchma has a much higher support rating.

Yushchenko is the most dispised Presidnet in Ukraine. The 95% that did not support him were not indiffernet they despised him. Polsl takan during the period in the eadup to the last presidential election showed that 85% of Ukraine would not vote for Yushchenko.

He consitently misued and abused his position of office, breaching Ukraine's Constitution and asuming power where he had no authority.

Yushchenko deserves no respect and receives no respect. He betrayed all those who had suppoorted him and more important he betrayed Ukraine and democracy itself.

Yushchenko should be the one that should be on trial for muse use and abuse of office. In his case it is a simple verdict as the evidence and facts are clear as the nose on his face.

Goid save Ukraine as nothing will dave Yushchenko from his fate.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 10:27 a.m.    

he is bad, she is a nutter, there is no endgame. in the end, the west will probably let her stay in jail and only send concerned messages which have no teeth, until they can find a new leader's face to to support &quot;freeing&quot; her and having that new person, not her, going against yanuk. watch my words and see if they are true!

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 6:02 p.m.    

Its not just Yulia. I think Lutdrnko and Ivasenko is also being persecuted. The fact that their trial is taking so long. Seriously I gave Yanukovych teh benefit of dount when he was Primeminster. I also think Tymoshenko is a nutter as mentioined BUT I do not think she desreves this treatment, Tymoshenko was doing a good enough job in self incrimination on her own. Yanukoych really dod not need to persecute her or the others as they have. I have lost a lot of repect for Yanukych over thius one issue. I think it has and will continue to rebound on him.

In teh west there would be a royal commission or inuiry forst to discover if there is a case to answer and then if there is then charges would be laid. B ut at all times the person charged would retain their freedom whilst teh court case was in progress.

The longer this outrage continues the more peoople should stand uop and say enough is enough. This is seriously having a negatove impact in Ukraine and Yanukoych's presidency.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 7:42 p.m.    

Well said Guest and I agree.

Yush was the ultimate betrayer of democracy in Ukraine.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 12:15 a.m.    

From the title of the editorial it looed quite promising. Everyone is giving a different story - how to work out where the truth is? But then it turned out KP isn't asking any queestions and already knows the answer. Wouldn't matter what anyone says in the trial KP already made up its mind and all we'll get is the same diatribe each editorial.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 4:19 a.m.    

&quot;While Tymoshenko may be no prize as a politician, she doesn’t deserve to be on trial or in jail for this issue.&quot;

Your opinion is Tymoshenko is innocent but everyone else should be on trial? I am shocked. KyivPost is so very pro-Tymoshenko biased.

The facts are: Tymoshenko went to Moscow and negotiated a gas deal with Putin. Yuschenko was not there. Yanukovich was not there.

I agree that eliminating RosUkrEnergo is a good idea. However, the rest of the deal (such as huge fines for insufficient gas purchase) was very bad, which is why it was a bad deal. Yushchenko opposes the deal. He has always opposed that gas deal. This does not mean he supports RosUkrEnergo. He opposes that deal because it's too expensive for Ukraine.

The main goal should be a low gas price for Ukraine and no fines. Who cares about RosUkrEnergo? The people of Ukraine care about the gas price and gas taxes, not about gas politics. If the gas price is too high, then find another energy source. High taxes to pay for gas will weaken Ukraine and make Russia stronger.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 11:31 a.m.    

she got rid of firtash to promote her own associate kolomoyski from her home town and a second shady associate who has an office in podil but has been hiding in switzerland. her actions were good but her motives were self interested as always but kiev post is not looking into that and never will

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 7:40 p.m.    

The point isn't that she negotiated a bad deal, but that she had the authority to negotiate it and that is not a crime.

You're wrong that Yush didn't support RosUkrEnergo. As Putin said it is a &quot;cash cow&quot; for Yush and his family and Firtash.

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Anonymous Aug. 22, 2011, 11:04 a.m.    

&quot;As Putin said&quot;. Good one Gene. Now we are quoting corrupt Moscali liars to make our case.

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 6:57 p.m.    

EVERYBODY!!!!!

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Anonymous Aug. 20, 2011, 7:37 p.m.    

Quote: &quot;As more comes out about his five-year presidency, we expect people will conclude what we reluctantly and tardily did a few years ago: That Yushchenko is not a truthful man and that he is a major reason for the public’s lack of trust in politicians and disappointment.&quot;

Not much I can add to that.

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Anonymous Aug. 30, 2011, 1:16 p.m.    

Yep. I blame Yushchenko for most of what is going ion in Ukraine today. He was not a proponent of democracy that is for sure. Little wonder why over 85% of Ukrainians would not vote for him, He was the most disliked candidate in the 2010 presidential election. History will not portray Yushchenko kindly. he was a more than failed president. He was repugnant and resented by all sides of politics,

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Anonymous Aug. 21, 2011, 1:46 a.m.    

Is the Ukraine slowly sliding in the Dictator State?

At one time they had even girls that wanted to meet non-drunk people.

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Anonymous Aug. 21, 2011, 10:04 a.m.    

ukraine girls want to meet everyone and are rarely picky. sorry, fact.

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Anonymous Aug. 23, 2011, 7:02 a.m.    

Yushenko needs his pension. The wrong words can cost him. Kickbacks will end.

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