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Back Story: Go ahead, call me a dinosaur

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Jan. 12, 2012, 9:10 p.m. | Op-ed — by Michael Willard

Michael Willard

Michael Willard writes: The Kyiv post will be cracking down on online commentators who can't be civil. Having written this column for nearly six months, I have grown accustomed to one of the favorite names posted in response to opinions I have proffered: Dinosaur. I much prefer “dinosaur” over “idiot” or “fool,” two other descriptors I benignly endure.

Truth be known – and that is what we seek here – my skin is metaphorically as thick as any reptilian’s, and I rarely take offense at any of the postscripts tacked at the bottom of this column when it appears online. I actually get a kick out of them – the good, the bad and even the ill-informed.

The fact is that I have been around the block a few times, whether in the journalistic, political or business worlds. The tires are not threadbare only because I have had them recapped from time to time by changing careers and keeping things exciting.

It is also true that I savor the occasional praise – a bon-bon to a sweet tooth – and, of course, I find those commentators especially intelligent and insightful (he writes self-servingly). We all like a kind word now and then, for they keep our spirits soaring toward the fluffy clouds.

To object to the brickbats, as one noted writer, Kurt Vonnegut, expressed so wisely, would be like donning armor and saddling up my white steed to charge a chocolate sundae. My protestations really wouldn’t matter, nor am I sure they should.

However, we do have outside writers that offer their wisdom in the Kyiv Post. They do this without pay or other reward. They merely believe – and we do as well – that their commentary is noteworthy and deserves a public airing. We are grateful for their thoughts.

They make our newspaper more complete.

Comments that include profanity or personal attacks will be removed from the site.


We try to strike a balance with our editorial columns, though few give us credit for this.

Balance is one of those very subjective terms that always nests snugly in the eye of the beholder.

We are careful to include comments from opposing views, but some probably believe we are about as balanced as a fight card that includes both the Klitschko brothers.

President Viktor Yanukovych perhaps feels this way, though a sitting leader will always get more scrutiny.

Regardless of my open-minded view related to comments about this column, chief editor Brian Bonner has concluded that there needs to be better safeguards to combat the truly obnoxious comments.

I agree with him. The publisher, Dr. Mohammad Zahoor, agrees with him, which makes it fairly unanimous.

Writers, particularly those not on the payroll of this newspaper, should not be held up to ridicule, and it is important that a certain comity exist on our pages. After all, we are not a free-for-all sports board where insults are expected to be hurled like verbal grenades.

Soon the Kyiv Post website will allow readers to post their opinions in one of three ways only: through plug-ins to their Facebook or vkonktate.ru profiles or, if they don’t use either social media site, through registration by name with the website.

This is not an attempt to censor anybody. This is, however, an attempt to hold people more accountable for their comments. After all, the Kyiv Post can be held to account legally not only for libelous comments in stories that we publish, but also for libelous comments that others – most hiding behind the cloak of anonymity – post to our website.

Our policy is clear and attached to the end of every story: “The Kyiv Post is hosting comments and forums to foster lively debate. Criticism is fine, but stick to the issues.

Comments that include profanity or personal attacks will be removed from the site. If you think that a posted comment violates these standards, please flag it and alert us. We will take steps to block violators.”

Yet this simple policy has been violated far too often, degrading the website for many readers. Also, monitoring the website simply takes too many hours a week. So the online circus has to end.

Most newspapers have tighter controls over how they handle editorial comments. You can’t go on The New York Times and fling epitaphs that, if they were unleashed between nations, would cause armed forces to go on high alert.

But, back to the dinosaur label that some feel fits me so well.

You, the reader, have a right to know any columnist who visits you every other week. I am, indeed, older than most of you and my opinions are colored by what some call experience and others suggest a form of dementia.

I am not uncomfortable with this range. However, I have been writing news columns since the Board of Trustees at Orlando Junior College suggested strongly I leave school for writing pro-integration editorials for an all-white school newspaper.

In retrospect, this 1960s episode seems quaint, but at the time loomed large in that once quiet southern city, back before Disney World. For a few weeks, I was called both an “idiot” and a “fool.”

Kyiv Post CEO Michael Willard can be reached at willard@kyivpost.com.
The Kyiv Post is hosting comments to foster lively debate. Criticism is fine, but stick to the issues. Comments that include profanity or personal attacks will be removed from the site. If you think that a posted comment violates these standards, please flag it and alert us. We will take steps to block violators.
Anonymous Jan. 12, 2012, 10 p.m.    

Its about time that the senseless drivel, name calling and drivel comments areommitted, good constructive criticism or debate is called for,,,,,I would like to know how many of those that do comment here actually spend any time in Ukraine. I have visited over 30 times and love the country and the majority of people. How ever the ruling elite of all sides have major flaws,,,bribery and corruption is common place, but when a salary is insuficient for people to exist on income has to be generated from somewhere,,,,whats needed is the gap between the wealthy and the poor being closed,,,the off shore companies and tax loopholes closed,,,judges and police made free of political and financial incentives to pervert the course of justice.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 3:20 a.m.    

whilst I agree that senseless abusive comments take away from the articles and serious discussion, of anything they reflect on the poster not the news source. Comments are a good indicator the issues being discussed. Maybe a more structured registration process would assist in this assessment. I would also like to see Kyivpost indicate ten number of comments that apply to each article on the article headline index.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:46 p.m.    

The commenter Less is one of numerous examples of the kind of narrow minded insulting nationalist comments that have regularly appeared at KP.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 7:21 p.m.    

In the fantasy svidomite world in which you live, the truth about Moscow {AKA : Muscovy} - is insulting?

PS Why do Moskali hate Russian children so much - that they will not tell them the truth?

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 9:26 p.m.    

It's the svidomites who're telling lying to their children.

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AL BALA Feb. 10, 2012, 1:31 a.m.    

It is no wonder, then, that many of my soviet contemporaries tried to find the answers in the writing of Marx, Engels and Lenin. I had the additional stimulus to search for my answers in Marxism due to the history of my family.

My maternal grandfather was a member of the Communist party since 1904. His two older children joined the party before

the Bolsheviks even came to power. My father's oldest brother fought in the civil war on the red side.

My paternal grandfather was enthusiast of collectivization. My own parents were organizers of the Youth Communist League and members of Communist Party.

However, from my earliest childhood, I was shielded from information about the rest of the family history; about the devastating impact on my family of purges and the genocidal manmade famine in Ukraine.

Slowly, the truth started to filter into my consciousness.

http://www.grigorenko.org/id8.html

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AL BALA Oct. 7, 2012, 4:25 p.m.    

This short video clip brought tears to my eyes :

American Ukrainian women followed in the footsteps of Femen, stripped in the streets of Chicago (video)

http://tsn.ua/kultura/amerikanski-ukrayinki-pishli-po-stopah-femen-rozdyagnuvshis-na-vulici.html

Sincerely,

LES

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Anonymous Jan. 12, 2012, 10:28 p.m.    

&quot;However, we do have outside writers that offer their wisdom in the Kyiv Post. They do this without pay or other reward.&quot;

No pay? How generous of them. But a freebee, as we all know, isn't always worth anything more than nothing. Someone who gets space to publish their offerings and doesn't know a thing more than the rest of us is, eg: they don't live, work or read the local press in Ukrainian or Russian is just insulting.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 8:26 a.m.    

Your arrogance shows you to me as a chauvinistic Moskal. I have been doing &quot;freebie&quot; [volunteer] work, for Ukrainian causes, all of my life. And your contention is &quot;isn't always worth anything more than nothing.&quot; ?

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:44 p.m.    

You're a svidomite extraordinaire.

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Anonymous Jan. 12, 2012, 11:50 p.m.    

Michael just don't stop coverage of Femen.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 2:49 a.m.    

Actually I think it would be good to stop covert them. Or should I say cover them up. Their protest works against the issue they claim they are in opposition. The tabloid media love them ever since the media banned or stop using page three girls.. Femen are tits for hire. Meida junkies interested in self promotion. who do you think paid for their trip to Itally and help arranged to get their visa?

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:51 p.m.    

I was joking when i wrote don't stop coverage of Femen.I do agree with your points about Femen.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 1:30 a.m.    

Mr. Willard: thank you so much for these much needed thoughts. As an avid reader of the Kyiv Post, I appreciate the effort it takes to put together such a thorough newspaper and am bemused by the petty comments that follow many articles. Such commentary, it seems to me, does not deserve a place next to the rigorous work that the newspaper produces.

That being said, to state that certain commentators do not deserve a place within the Kyiv Post is elitist, divisive, and, dare I say, undemocratic. It stifles open participation and free speech. However, this is the predicament of the online forum, and, indeed, we're not the only ones discussing the difficulties in facilitating conversation and participation.

A couple weeks ago, I heard a really thoughtful discussion on WNYC's &quot;On the Media&quot; about creating an engaging comments section on the web (http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/dec/30/how-create-engaging-comments-section/). As it turns out, treading the fine line between censorship and open participation continues to be quite the conundrum for the moderator of the modern internet forum. In the &quot;On the Media&quot; segment I linked to above, Bob Garfield interviews The Atlantic senior editor and blogger Ta-Nehisi Coates, who says that he approaches comments moderation as he would hosting a dinner party. He tries to keep the conversation interesting and engaging while keeping it civil. If anyone gets out of hand by insulting anybody, he kindly asks them to leave. Another approach I heard suggested is to allow the more thoughtful and relevant comments to float towards the top of the comments list, much like the relevance of web pages in a Google search. But I'm not sure how the moderators of a web site would actually approach this in practice. Maybe that's something better left to the minds at the Google corporation.

Anyway, this is all to say, Mr. Willard, that your bringing the issues of hosting an interesting and engaging comments section to the forefront of the conversation in the Kyiv Post makes you anything but a dinosaur. If anything--and forgive me because I feel like I'm beginning to pander now--this makes you quite modern. It seems to me that all kinds of online forums are going through these same troubles, and the way through this murky predicament is not yet clear.

So I guess the best we can do at this point is to talk about it as both writers and readers of the Kyiv Post. For that is who we ALL are--writers and readers of the Post. Even the authors of the most petty comments have guided, in a sense, the direction of the paper, as this current conversation shows.

I am a Ukrainian-American who now lives in Ukraine, and the Kyiv Post serves as a bridge between two worlds for me. The newspaper allows me to engage in conversation between these worlds. In reading through the comments of many articles, I've been put off by many snide remarks and have many times wanted to intervene, but didn't know how as just another commentator in a discussion that is supposed to be about Ukrainification, the persecution of Yulia Tymoshenko, Kyiv's minimalist Christmas tree, or any other serious matters facing Ukraine today. So thank you everybody for allowing the space for this conversation to happen.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 11:37 a.m.    

Levko as an avid reader of your blog your thoughts are always welcomed.

As mentioned below stupid abusive and insulting remarks like referring to someone as a moron or toilet humor and blatant racist vilification is a poor reflection on the person making the comments. The readership is more then capable of seeing past these comments. Whet is of concern if a tighter registration requirement is introduced then those who are prepared to enter into discussion and debate in good faith may be subject to harassment and vilification. The best way I think of dealing with such comments.

Kyiv post is relatively tamed compared to some others, is to just have right minded people publish a simple polite responses refuting or outing the comments as a poor refection on the poster.

If there is to be moderation then it is important that the reasons for the moderation be known in order to be reassured that the extent of moderation is not in fact a f0orm of censorship.

The withdrawal of comments related to Leigh Turners blog is an example in question. Many of the comments where critical but not abusive. I am not sure to what extent an Ambassadors should be expressing their personal reflections in such a way, it is the border line of being directly engaged in the politics of a foreign state outside the diplomatic norm. And there are a number of issues and reflections that he has not raised in discussion and some that he has that do not reflect the views or policies of the British Government. Given his position I think he should think twice before entering into the general discussion unless he is authorized to do so as spokesperson for the British Government. Personally I find his comments lacking in substance or foundation. I think it is important that Kyiv post explain exactly how and why it had removed all the comments to his postings. This most certainly looked like censorship. Even more so given the Ambassador was seeking feedback.

One approach is to remove comments and leave behind a reason for why the comment had been removed. This of course is labor intensive but it goes a long way to explaining why the comments was removed and in doing so retrains confidence in the editorial policy.

Also as mentioned above I find the Editor's Note and Kyivpsots need to pass some comment in general on the quality or otherwise of posts reported on by Russia today to be offensive and lacking professional merit. Every news source has a degree and bias in its reporting. Readers are not stupid and they can make that assessment without Kyivpost's Editorial note. Not all issues reported on by Russia Today are in fact pushing a corporate government line. No more then the BBC and other state funded news services. Kyivpost does not pass judgement on their services/publications= (If they are to be consistent then they should do likewise) Better still stop publishing such offensive and unprofessional commentary. It demeans what is.was otherwise a good paper. Even though it itself has a distinct US bias in its own reporting. Something they should try and address by appointing or engaging a non US sub editor.

If Kyivpost os going to go down the path of tighter censorial moderation will there be any open and transparent oversight of the moderators? Is there an appeal process and will commentators retain the right of anonymity. Yes Kyivpost is a private corporation but it also is operating in a public sphere. It has a the same public responsibility as Rupert Murdock, but even more so given that KyivPost is the premier international news source reflecting on Ukraine.

Any shift or noticeable detection of political bias in the news papers editorial policy would undermine the very foundations and principles espoused by the media as a profession. The media can only claim rights of a free press as long as they act responsibly and in line with the established professional code of practice.

That includes removing the bias editorial lead-in commentary. If they do not have confidence in the source then do not publish it. (I certainly question most things that come out of the BBC and do not take it as being gospel. I do not need a third party media outlet to tell me this fact or selectively omit it in some circumstances.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 8:01 a.m.    

Anybody that touts RT- loses credibility.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:43 p.m.    

More like anyone that touts KP and yourself loses credibility.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 11:55 p.m.    

You bring up some good questions about transparency with respect to moderating/censoring the comments section. Who would oversee the monitors? Who would they be? Would they have to state their reasons for censoring certain material?

An appeal process is an interesting idea (keeping in line with the democratic ideals of free and open participation). However, it might be a bit excessive for something like a comments section. In the end it would most likely divert too many resources for the newspaper.

It seems to me that the best solution to this problem is to conduct ourselves the way we do while in public. Though some people might behave like obnoxious wastrels around us, it doesn't have to incur on our collective creation and sustenance of order.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 3:39 a.m.    

Hi Levko,

In my opinion, you just fed a paid professional troll.

PS First he brown-nosed you, then he started his veiled attacks on KP and others.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 11:18 a.m.    

I agree however if a person is banned then an appeals process would be appropriate. It should also be open and transparent the public can know that the process if fair and justified/. The main reason I raise this issue is we had seen the way Forua.com and Ukrainska Pravada were trashed by the same select group, the likes of Tomas Martinez, Gene Nelson and Nestor. That was not democracy more like totalitarianism and abuse of trusted power

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 9:27 p.m.    

Dear Levko,

With all due respect, I beg to differ with one statement that you made. You stated,&quot;relevant comments to float towards the top&quot;.

It would unrealistic for KP because of cost [setup and software], additional employees [diversity of topics], training [must be done manually], etc.

You Tube has a &quot;relevant comments to float towards the top&quot; setup. But, it it based on &quot;like&quot; and &quot;dislike&quot; clicks by the public.

Several years ago, I decided to listen to Ukrainian Christmas Carols and Ukrainian Songs on You Tube - for several days. I found many examples where there were &quot;100&quot; views and &quot;35&quot; dislikes. Gee? I wonder who was doing that?

Over the last several years, I have read thousands of Ukraine related news articles on the Internet - including many English language sites in non English speaking countries. On almost EVERY article that had a comments section, I saw Anti-Ukrainian comments (including disinformational comments). Gee? I wonder who was doing that?

Sincerely,

LES

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 9:01 a.m.    

if only Ukrainians would just leave Ukraine and just go away ...the Russians will make Little Russia a living Paradise and symbol of Peace Tranquility Democracy Freedom and Brotherhood for ALL Mankind just like the Glorious USSR was! heh,heh,heh:D

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 11:25 p.m.    

LES,

Thanks for the reminder. I think they were referring to YouTube's model in that particular &quot;On the Media&quot; segment. It's been about two weeks since I've listened to that show, so my memory of all the specifics are a bit murky, but that sounds right.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 4:39 a.m.    

The following link has 3 &quot;dislikes&quot;. If you look at the mathematical proportion, compared to the # of views, you may be better able to comprehend my prior comment..

Every Russian speaking Ukrainian CITIZEN should listen to the song in the link below.

I knew that this Ukrainian Christmas carol existed, and I finally found it - &quot;Sad Christmas Eve in Ukraine during 1947!&quot; . {You may have to listen several times - to pick up the words}

I do not not care if you are an atheist, this song will make you cry - unless you are either a commie or a plain old $&amp;#**^% - #*#*^#!# ! ! !

Колядка&quot;Сумний Святий Вечір&quot; Оля Атаманчук

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaKBq_ZdJd8&amp;feature=related

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Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/120144/#ixzz1jUNVvnEY

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 1:47 a.m.    

I agree,,,,,good move.

...aahhhemm....I don't mean to be picky, but.....

..epitaphs.... words written on gravestone.....

..eptithet...: a disparaging or abusive word or phrase....

PS.....How about that 'Rada ' link,,,,,that was suggested.?

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 2:17 a.m.    

.....is not the abusive, over the top, comments being posted.

This is just a symptom of the frustration of the reader / citizen, who sometimes crosses the line in trying to vent their frustration......

.....their frustration of having a 'Constitution' ,,,,,then have 'their' president totally ignore what's written in it,,,,,and proceed to rule by undemocratic means (illegal piano voting) and authoritarian rule; over flowing with rampant corruption.

Unfortunately, Mr Willard, you are caught in the middle,,,,you become the sounding board for a nations voice, their frustration.... It is good you have reptilian skin (your words) as the nations anger will not lessen; until there is meaningful regeime change.

Respectfully, when the current gov't lines up at the trough (stealing Ukraine blind, $300,000,000 presidential mansion, etc. )......then it becomes very difficult to converse with/ about them ; without sometimes resorting to gutter talk.

Respect deserves respect........but Yanukovych has not one iota of respect for the Ukrainian people or nation. Only how much can he steal,,and how can he put more opposition in jail.

Let the locker room talk continue,,,,until Yanuk becomes civilized.

Thank you.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 3:15 a.m.    

Whilst I appreciate some of the article published by Kyivpost and sure there are abusive comments that detract form the more serious debate (Mostly they detract from their posts) there is growing concern about political censorship. Why were the comments critical of UK ambassador Leigh Turner and Democratic House removed. They were critical but not abusive?

The other issues is the need for more professional balance and bias in editorial comments in singling out Russia Today by placing a disclaimer. This is extremely unprofessional and treats its reader bases as if they are idiots incapable of making their own assessment as to the merits of any news source. If Kyivpost considers it necessary to apply such a disclaimer notice then it should do so to other media sources such as the BBC and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

It has also been noted that KyivPost has a bias and bent towards US policy and US commentary. This most certainly does not represent the broader considered view of other western democracies. If Ukraine is to be encouraged to adopt 'western values' and integrate into European society then KyivPost readership would be well served if it sought out more opinions and experts form Europe not the USA. English may be the language of choice but it serves a greater community that goes beyond the interests of the united States.

If Kyivpost is to tighten up on the commentary and apply moderation it must do so in such a way as to remain transparent and not be seen to apply under political censorship and stifle critical debate and expression of public opinion. To date KyivPost has failed in that effort. It has not provided any justification and announcement as to why it removed comments on Mr turners blog.

It would be disappointing to see Kyivpost go down the path that forua.com did where moderators begin to ban all those who express an opposing political point of view and opinion to that held by the moderators.

As arrogant as you might sound you are not the only person who has been around the block or two. There are many who have greater experience then your commentary indicates.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 3:23 a.m.    

More often then not the comments provide insight and information that is not contained in the article. This to some extent is a reflection of the standard of journalism as questions re not asked or background information not provided in the main article.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 5:05 a.m.    

Its about time that KP do responsible monitoring of derogatory profanity and obscenity!

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 7:58 a.m.    

I agree! Sometimes I pity them. My Mother would never allow such language. Sometimes I think that they are just orphans that the KGB put into an &quot;insane asylum&quot; (and brainwased them), after the KGB murdered their parents.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:41 p.m.    

A good number of the nasty comments come from pro-OUN/UPA types.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 4:11 a.m.    

99% come from the sovok paid provocateurs.

The only reasonable comments come from Ukraine patriots.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:10 a.m.    

If anything it's the other way around.

Svidomites have a way about being wrong on such matter.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:40 p.m.    

Ethically, it should include KP acknowledging misconduct in its handling of RT posted material, inclusive of an apology.

Minus that, Willard comes across as a blowhard phoney.

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Mykhayl Jan. 13, 2012, 9:39 a.m.    

Христос Раждається!

How timely Mr. Willard, this Friday the 13th is actually December 31, 7528, or Saint Malanka's schedry vechera. Come Saturday 12 AM Saint Basil's Day we will say &quot;HAPPY NEW YEAR!&quot; and sing &quot;Auld Lang Syne&quot;. Resolutions are good.

Ukraine is 20 and it is time for the real Ukrainians who matured with it. The Soviet raised mizhory are yesterday's news with their give me, gimme, gimme, gimme. They never learned how to say &quot;Thank you...&quot; in Ukrainian or Russian nor English.

Бог дав мені розум.

&quot;When they read you they laugh, me they cry&quot; Taras Shevchenko our Ukrainian language bard wrote to Nikolai Gogol our Russian language satirist. A century and a half later we argue Russian speakers are colonial &quot;Little Rus'ans&quot; while the Ukrainian speakers are &quot;hohols&quot;? We should take off the overcoats and admit the celebration of one's birthday by Ukrainians a couple years ago was shoddy. Will we do better in a couple years from now for the other? Next Year will we proclaim Kyivan Rus Christendom or watch one faction fight the other? Do we need to reinvent the Western Reformation to understand why neither the Catholic nor Evangelical histories are Christian?

Ukraine was given many of their foreign embassies by their diaspora of those countries. Many of the hromadas [communities] established by &quot;foreigners&quot; who labored for pennies a century earlier, gleamed contributions from the charity [love] of their great grandchildren. They proudly say &quot;Kiss me I'm Ukrainian&quot;, yet the &quot;real&quot; Ukrainians in the old country are incapable of saying &quot;Thanks and God bless you&quot;. What self interests do they have beyond Українa [Ukraine]?

Бог помагає Українії !

The Kyiv Post was launched by an American Jed Sunden in 1995 and is presently owned by Mohammad Zahoor. J Michael Willard is CEO and Brian Bonner is Chief Editor yet YOU deny any of them being Ukrainians! What other media stand up FOR Ukraine in the language, known by most of the Western World. On the other hand the KP's secret censer should not assume because they don't understand it Ukrainians don't or shouldn't. The Holodomor it was foreigners, especially Americans who let the 10-million secrets out of the bottle. The first time I saw the derogatory term for a Ukrainian XOXO [Hohol] in this comment section, I assumed [faux pas] it meant hugs and kisses. Many students use this paper for current event research and many of them are children of the Ukrainian Diaspora's &quot;Ridna Shkola&quot; network. PRESENTATION IS EVERYTHING. So DON'T say you need it as a gimme brat's sounding board where you hide under stolen identities. Steal your mother's horilka [shine].

Слава Українії !

Michael

PS Juraaaic Batchkp [patriarch] thanks and until next year.

PS-PS Slava Lennon

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 3:52 p.m.    

Hee hee. What this means is that the commentators told more of the truth than the KP's writers. When some KP reviewer would say how great something was (&quot;this restaurant is excellent!&quot;) commentators would call it out.

And the KP can't have that. It's beholden to its advertisers, and Kiev advertisers have to boost their business.

Basically, newspapers are in trouble all over, and the KP can't afford to alienate local businessmen with too much gloom from commentators.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 4:33 p.m.    

This means that your foul language, name calling and pornography will no longer be tolerated.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 7:12 p.m.    

Wrong. Most of the ads on Kyivpost are for marriage agencies. They got rid of the escort ads.

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Anonymous Jan. 13, 2012, 4:31 p.m.    

Good to hear that KP comments section will be better monitored to be more family friendly. It is the intent of Soviet anti-Ukrainian types to destroy your freedom of speech and democracy oriented publication through such foul commentary. What better way than to post foul language, name calling and pornography in order to discredit. They will use freedom of speech to destroy freedom of speech and civilized dialogue.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:36 p.m.    

More applicable to the extreme nationalists who suggestively lump everyone in disagreement with them as &quot;Soviet anti-Ukrainian types.&quot;

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 1:39 a.m.    

What is wrong with being a Ukrainian Nationalist {AKA : Ukrainian Patriot}?

By &quot;Soviet anti-Ukrainian types&quot;, do you mean the homo-sovieticus USSR {AKA : Muscovy} policy and procedure that all Ukrainian Patriots were &quot;bourgeois nationalists&quot; or that all Ukrainians were &quot;enemies of the people, and Moscow propagated the need and desire for Ukrainians to be imprisoned or exterminated - for centuries?

In 1982, at an international conference on the Holocaust and genocide, he said: “In order to centralize the full power in Stalin’s {AKA Muscovy's} hands, it was necessary to destroy the Ukrainian peasantry, the Ukrainian intelligentsia, the Ukrainian language, and Ukrainian history in the way the people understood it, and to destroy Ukraine as such. The calculation was simple and extremely primitive: if there is no nation, there is no country, and as a result there are no problems.”

http://www.day.kiev.ua/201332/

Meanwhile, on January 12, 1972 Ukraine was swept with another wave of arrests of young Ukrainian intelligentsia. KGB carried out an extensive operation &quot;bloc&quot; against the Ukrainian national movement.

http://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2012/01/12/68574/

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:01 a.m.    

It's wrong to deceive with lies and half truths, along the lines of what you do.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 6:19 a.m.    

The history of Ukraine looks like a movement in a circle, but this movement should be transformed into forward motion, aimed at creating a strong Ukrainian state. To achieve this, it is necessary to unite the people represented by the multi-ethnic population into a single Ukrainian political nation. The modern European states were established in exactly this way, while in the USSR they tried to create “a single Soviet people” to this end.

Without the political nation [helping] it is impossible to implement the Ukrainian national idea, which lies in the establishment of a genuine democratic lawful state – a strong player on the world's “chessboard.”

In the meanwhile, the Ukrainian society is being transformed – against the background of the destitute majority, which now includes even intellectuals, the ruling oligarchic stratum has emerged.

Having become rich by robbing the state, they attempt to become hereditary elite, like the magnates in ancient Poland, surrounded by their gentry.

Nationalism can be a force that will be able to unite Ukraine, revive dignity in people and their ability to oppose adverse circumstances, but it historically happened so that in many people this word causes resistance and even fear. There is a big confusion regarding the understanding of this term as it is applied to fundamentally opposed movements, some of which propagate uniting all citizens of the state in one political nation, while others, on the contrary, try to separate them based on ethnic origin.

In the USSR {AKA : Muscovy} where the proclaimed &quot;internationalism&quot; served as a disguise for the imperial politics, a constant fight against &quot;manifestations of nationalism&quot; took place.

The &quot;Ukrainian bourgeois nationalism&quot; was claimed to be the most dangerous variety, and under the guise of a struggle against it, a subjugation of a large people with its own will was carried out. It was first deprived of its national intellectuals and then massively annihilated through the Holodomor, which was a real genocide.

In 1939 the fight against nationalism spread to the annexed Western Ukrainian lands, but their population, being more united, mounted heroic resistance until to the mid 1950s.

The consequences of Soviet brainwashing are still there, especially in southeastern Ukraine where the notion of &quot;nationalism&quot; requires rehabilitation to some extent.

To Ukrainians’ credit, they never declared their &quot;superiority,&quot; and their nationalism has had a defensive, rather than aggressive and attacking, character.

I happened to be present at the organizational meeting of the party &quot;The Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists&quot;; an old Jew came to join it and he explained to me that he was a painter and during his entire life was engaged in Ukrainian national painting and taught it to Ukrainian children. Then he proudly added: &quot;So who is a bigger Ukrainian nationalist than me?&quot;

http://www.day.kiev.ua/290574/

PS I wrote my prior comments on nationalism before I read the articles that I provided in the links.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:03 a.m.    

The USSR wasn't Muscovy you idiot.

In this instance, the use of idiot is quite applicable.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:49 a.m.    

1709 Peter constructed a new narrative for his realm. Instead of being Muscovy, it was to be Russia.

As such, he and his state could claim lineage with the Kievan state called Rus that had accepted Christianity in 988 and collapsed in the 13th century.

In one simple historical revision that complemented his opening to the West, Peter and his realm would be transformed from Asiatic upstarts to a European empire. Kiev would become the &quot;mother of all Russian cities.&quot;

There was, of course, no place in this scheme for anything r*esembling an independent or autonomous Ukraine. Indeed, any claim to Kiev's autonomy or separate nationality, any Ukraine-based opposition to Russian rule, was a direct threat to the Petrine myth and the legitimacy that it helped confer on the Russian

state. Mazepa had to go, and has never been allowed to return to historical grace for the same reason. Every

Russian ruler has vilified him since the fateful battle at Poltava.

http://www.ukrainianmuseum.org/090709wsj_HistoricalBattleLines_ed.pdf

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:53 a.m.    

On October 22, 1721, the ever-expanding Muscovite state was officially renamed into the Russian Empire and its people were called Russians instead of the earlier known names that the world knew them by “Moscovites”, “Moskali” and “Moscvyny.”

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:38 a.m.    

Historical truth are lies and The Soviet Encyclopedia is truth ? Gee? Where did I hear that one before?

It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984.' In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/120620/#ixzz1jh9KQe53

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 11:11 a.m.    

First they do not represent Ukraine. They are an extremist minority bigots not patriots.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 2 a.m.    

What is wrong with being a Ukrainian Nationalist {AKA : Ukrainian Patriot} ?

na·tion·al·ism (nsh-n-lzm, nshn-)

n.

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.

3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

nation·al·ist adj. &amp; n.

nation·al·istic adj.

nation·al·isti·cal·ly adv.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nationalist

PS Every Ukrainian Citizen should be a Ukrainian patriot.

PPS Moscow, with the help of the uneducated PoR thugs, is still trying to exterminate the Ukrainian Identity. The Anti-Ukrainian Tabachnyk is rewriting Ukrainian history - detrimental to the Ukrainian people.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:02 a.m.    

For whatever his faults, Tabachnyk is just one side of the story.

Svidomites like yourslf have done their share of distorting past and present realities.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 7:01 p.m.    

In the above article, Tetiana PALLADINA, Professor of Biology, stated :

Without the political nation [helping] it is impossible to implement the Ukrainian national idea, which lies in the establishment of a genuine democratic lawful state – a strong player on the world's “chessboard.”

Meanwhile, how can it be that the PoR Anti-Ukrainian Parliamentarians in and of Ukraine do not even know The National Anthem of Ukraine ?

People's deputies do not know the anthem of Ukraine because &quot;difficult words&quot; (video)

Not all elected representatives in parliament can recall the words of the anthem of Ukraine. Particular difficulties arose in the regionals [Por].

In turn, rehionalka [PoR] Olena Bondarenko also not been tested for knowledge of words national anthem of Ukraine. She tried to read the text of the anthem, but stopped after the third line.

Another representative of the Party of Regions Vladimir Makeyenko believes that the Ukrainian hymn - &quot;difficult words&quot;.

http://tsn.ua/politika/nardepi-ne-znayut-gimn-ukrayini-bo-slova-vazhkuvati.html

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Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/120144/#ixzz1jdpo0drR

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 2:43 a.m.    

There you go with BS blind stereotypes accusing those that hold a different option to your own. The fact is the main focus of abuse and physical threats come from the ultra nationalist UPA/OUA supporters. The real obstacle to Ukraine beijing a democratic state is Ukraine itself not Russia.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 7:37 a.m.    

Do you have any clue how inane your comment is? Or, are you completely clueless?

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:37 p.m.    

A question better posed to yourself.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 8:55 a.m.    

if only Ukrainians would just leave Ukraine and just go away ...the Russians will make Little Russia a living Paradise and symbol of Peace Tranquility Democracy Freedom and Brotherhood for ALL Mankind just like the Glorious USSR was! heh,heh,heh:D

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 1:58 p.m.    

Once you're deleted from this site might I suggest that you try Russian Pravda. Now that would be hilarious! LOL and heh, heh, heh! Don't forget that you can run but you can't hide! Heh, heh, heh, and LOL!

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 5:14 p.m.    

There's The Day Weekly Digest, a svidomite toilet of half truths and outright lies.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 7:44 a.m.    

You must be a Moskal that hates the fact that &quot;The Day Weekly Digest&quot; publishes Russian Intelligentsia - in English.

Russia’s universities have long dropped out from the world’s top hundred. And as far as free people go, he must have his own, special understanding of freedom. Speaking of terrorism, under Yeltsin it was virtually absent from Russian life.

Meanwhile, under Putin the number of terror attacks is classified, that’s for one.

Secondly, judging by the available information, the terror figures have long surpassed several hundred per year. The impression is that Putin is either not quite in his right mind, and perceives his achievement totally outside the real context, or believes us to be out of our minds and incapable of assessing the lives we have.

http://www.day.kiev.ua/222164

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 7:57 a.m.    

Yet in Putin’s interpretation, this boils down to the following: ‘Don’t you dare touch us, we won’t move out of our perch. We will remain in place, that’s our right!’ According to Putin, evolution means a mere preservation of what has existed hitherto. But then, where is the progress?

If he acknowledges the threat of stagnation, who is responsible for it, if it is Putin who has been in power for 12 years?

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 11:24 p.m.    

The last time I heard that &quot;argument&quot; was by the children in kindergarten.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:05 a.m.    

You should be in nursery school, given your exhibited level of intelligence and manner.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 2:43 a.m.    

There you go with BS blind stereotypes accusing those that hold a different option to your own. The fact is the main focus of abuse and physical threats come from the ultra nationalist UPA/OUA supporters. The real obstacle to Ukraine beijing a democratic state is Ukraine itself not Russia.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 5:13 p.m.    

For sure.

Narrow mined nationalists have a way of drifting from reality.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 4:14 a.m.    

How silly!

Sovok paid provocateurs like yourself need to look in the mirror and have a gut check!

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:08 a.m.    

Svidomite idiots like yourself are like the morons who mis-labeled many people as Communists.

BTW, Willard and Kuzio look like they should monitor their girth.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 11:16 a.m.    

What is wrong with being a Ukrainian Nationalist {AKA : Ukrainian Patriot}?

But, it is OK for the Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot; to Russify Ukrainians?

In a throwback to the &quot;church's&quot; more expected rhetoric, &quot;church&quot; spokesman Vsevolod Chaplin also spoke in favor of the protests in comments to Rusnovosti.ru last week, but said they should focus on promoting Russian nationalism.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/113906/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz1jbvbrFjR

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:06 a.m.    

Moscow KGG church (sic) as opposed to Polish influenced creation of Uniates, as well as the turncoat bum Filaret.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 3:24 a.m.    

If you read some non-Kremlin history books then you will know that the Poles closed Ukrainian Catholic Churches when they were trying to Polonaise Ukrainians, just like Moscow closed Ukrainian Catholic Churches when Moscow was trying to Russify Ukrainians - for centuries.

The big difference is that the Poles are now our brotherly neighbors for years, but Moscow is still trying to Russify Ukrainians TODAY.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:59 a.m.    

&quot;Good to hear&quot;

It's the svidomites with their faux historians and political hack analysts who're misinforming with hate mongering.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 2:57 a.m.    

Still no response from KP as to why the removed critical comments by Leigh Turner. If he is going to breach diplomatic protocol and cross the line from diplomat to political advocate then he should rightly be subject to criticism and review. as an ambassadors his job is to represent the government not his own political views. His postings may in fact devalue his representation and Britons diplomatic relations. His Considered comments should come in the form of reports to the Minister not blog rants that often do not take into consideration many aspects. PREHAPESMIT he should join a UsSNGo think tank and give up the diplomatic core. Maybe he is pitcting for a new job knowing that the new government wil soon replace him. I have raised his non professional blogging with a number of career diplomats and most have expressed concern at his actions having crossed the line from diplomat to political advocate.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 7:22 a.m.    

What you claim to be &quot;the removed critical comments&quot;, are in reality disrespectful [understatement] insults. Please take your BS to RT where useful idiots can salivate over your comments.

Here is an example of a &quot;critical comment&quot; that was written on an article by Mr. Leigh Turner :

Please will not the British Government remove this idiot from office. Now he claims to speak for the EU. It is doubtful he speaks for the British Government. He Seems to be a loose cannon.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/119294/#ixzz1jOzNMzve

PS Mr Leigh Turner provides many links where you can contact him, or his boss, with any &quot;critical comments&quot; that you desire. Gee? I wonder why you do not do that? Could the reason be that he has the sophisticated software to see that you are from the Kremlin?

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:35 p.m.    

If anything, RT comes acoss as being more objective than KP and yourself.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 11 p.m.    

This is the second time that you are touting RT on this article. Anybody with half a brain knows that RT has many Anti-Ukrainian articles. Please note that this is KyivPost in UKRAINE, and not the MoscowPost {AKA : MuscovyPost} in Russia.

PS The issue in this article is profanity. Are you insinuating that RT is profane?

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 11:10 a.m.    

Then apply the same bias standard to other news sources. The BBC for example... Better still stop treating the readership with contempt and demonstrate journalistic integrity and allow the audiance to decide for themselves if the article is bias or not. It is not the role of thw media outlet to pass judgement on the news source. If they do not agree with it then DO NOT PUBLISH IT. Show some professionalism.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:58 a.m.    

Most Ukrainians don't share your svidomite views that get propped at KP by the likes of Motyl and Kuzio.

Yes, RT comes across as more objective and intelligent than KP and yourself - a not so difficult task, with such a low bar to clear.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 11:07 a.m.    

The comments published on this site in relation to Leigh Turners Blog were not abusive. There was no justification to have them removed.

Who authorized their removal and was it done at the request of the Ambassador? Friends of Friends with influence. It goes to the heart of media independence, professionalism and journalist integrity. The very thing we regularly criticize the Ukrainian government for.

KP owes its readership a full explanation as to why if it is to restore its credibility.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 5:06 a.m.    

....you know it......Mr Bonner knows it,,,and so do the citizens of Ukraine.

The current gov't is anti democracy, operates with illegal piano voting, the president has a 300 MILLION DOLLAR ESTATE ( on a 200,00hrv salary), the richest oligarchs (Ahkmetov, Firtash, Pinchuk, Victor Jr., etc) are members of the Rada; who should not be doing private business while in office, but continue to do so, and draw a wage.

The mayor of Kyiv states categorically,,,,it is private money that built the presidents helipad.......This is considered illegal gifts and bribery.

The president has promised many things.....more freedoms, to not prosecute Yulia, better hospitals,,,

And all his statments have been outright LIES........

He has stolen MILLIONS AND BILLIONS FOR EURO2012 and his estate, for his son, and to build football stadiums, which are privately owned, with state funds; for his oligarch friends.

Now Mr Willard......when this 'elected current gov't' has total disregard for the well being of the citizens of Ukraine, and continue to steal 'assets' that belong to the people......

Well Mr Willard,,,,,it is damn difficult, to not refer to this gov't as being.....corrupt,,,,,crooked,,,,,,mafia,,,,,idiots,,,,,,thieves,,,,,,liars,,,,,morons,,,,,,soviet has beens,,,,rotten bastards....and f##@#%$##$@#

I am sure you get my point.......

I don't like some of the comments,,,,,,but DO NOT CENSURE them......

This is frustration talking......

Frustrated citizens talking to a 'brick wall!'

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 11:01 a.m.    

Yushchenko lied too. If anything Yushchenko opposed Ukraine becoming a true democratic state. If it was not for Yushchenko Ukraine would not be in the position it is today

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 9:58 a.m.    

Mr Willard,

while you are at it please consider changing the order in wich comments appear so you can read them downwards instead of the current upwards. Would be much more convenient to follow the treads then..

thanks

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 1:26 a.m.    

You should just get use to it. I like the fact that the latest comments appear first. I would like to see them get rid of the screen refresh. That is very painful in deed. also allow users to set the number of posts displayed per page as part of their profile and include 100 and 200 options.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 10:58 a.m.    

I don't think it is a very good idea for posters to have to further identify themselves; since for those who live in Ukraine this will make it easier for the SBU to identify them. When masked policemen come to your office to collect this information, Mr. Willard, will you give up your life or your freedom to try and stop them? Yes, I understand we have not reached that point yet; but what will happen when Yanukovych realizes he can no longer hold power legally?

I think the only kind of posts that need to be deleted are those that attack other posters with insults; as this could inhibit free discourse.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 4:33 p.m.    

Mr. Willard doesn't address the sham manner of KP's petty disclaimers against RT, while not doing likwise with such sources as Motyl and Kuzio.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 5 p.m.    

Harley the SBu is charged with the duty of protecting the state.Willard as a citizen/resident of Ukraine has a duty to comply with all requests for information from the security service.

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 10:18 p.m.    

The KGB was charged with the duty of protecting the state.

The SBU is charged with the duty of protecting the people.

The Security Service of Ukraine (Sluzhba Bespeky Ukrayiny, or SBU) is a law enforcement agency responsible for protecting the state security of Ukraine. It is responsible for state security (including secret police tasks), external security and non-military intelligence, counterintelligence, &quot;crimes against state and people&quot;

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/ukraine/sbu.htm

PS I understand that the concept of protecting people is difficult for homo-sovieticus to comprehend.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 12:01 a.m.    

I was born in a system of fear, when everyone was afraid of talking about the famine of 1933. But I knew everything since my childhood. James’s appearance was the return of me.

It seemed that it was not he who had arrived in a foreign land but I who returned home, to my Fatherland, where I can talk freely, where there is no fear, and where one does not have to break down. James Mace knew how not to break down.”

http://www.day.kiev.ua/201332/

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 11:59 a.m.    

Who protects the people and the rights of the people?

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 12:01 p.m.    

Also, Mr. Willard would only have the duty to comply with all LAWFUL requests from the SBU.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 10:59 a.m.    

Its not the SBU that is of concern. It is the right wing nationalist who seek out sand stalk those who do not support their political opinions. The likes of Nestor, Tomas Martinez's, Odessa and Gene Nelson . They go so far as to also stalk family members. They are the fanatics that people are trying to avoid. The SBU could not give a rats about political debate. They trashed Ukrainska Pravda with their abuse and destroyed Forua.com in attacking all who expressed an opposing point of view to their own. They are the main threats to democracy in Ukraine.

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Mykhayl Jan. 20, 2012, 8:47 p.m.    

Well, at least you gave some references to your point, not just rants. Should not a citizen of Ukraine be sprotective of a positive history, language and attitude towards Ukraine? Is not one who lives as a Ukrainian on Ukrainian soil, and who is undermining the positive attitudes towards all thing [culturally not politically] Ukrainian not a traitor?

Now honey... so young... so cute... what is it... really, what is a sweet thing like you so troubled? Did you forget how to m_________...

See a perfect point why to readjuster and become recognized for one's statements being a positive thing. Fill in my unused demeaning verb as if an unnatural affliction and an accusation to the above, if the only identification was GUEST and you see why responsibility is a good thing.

Maturity; Ukraine begins in me. The above scenario was not contrived to prove a point. I literally stooped dead in my tracks when I realized the next word would be hung not on the anonymous but rather &quot;Mykhayl&quot;. Damn you archangel Mike, Mohammad the treasurer of blessings and Brian our scribe of the word...

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Anonymous Jan. 14, 2012, 11:06 p.m.    

Dear Mr. Michael Willard,

As my Dearly departed, She was in her 95th year when She passed away several years ago, Mother would say : &quot;dinosaurs&quot; are &quot;people&quot; too. :) HE HE :)

Respectfully,

LES

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 1:09 a.m.    

Why have comments critical of Leigh Turner's blog been removed. Is this censorship and denial of democratic free speech

If Mr Tuner wishes to cross the line from being a diplomat and become a political advocate interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation then he should be open and subjected to public review and criticism.

Leigh Turner has seriously compromised the professional standing and role of diplomatic services. If he feels the need to comment and criticize government policy, then he should do so via reports to the British Foreign Minister and not publish personal comments that may or may not reflect the views of the British Government. His role is to represent British policy not become a provocateur, In doing so he has seriously placed at risk Britain's diplomatic representation.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 1:37 a.m.    

There is not one government that would allow or tolerate a foreign diplomat being engaged in the political banter of a state. In doing so Mr turner or any other diplomat that follows in his practice, would compromise and weaken their ability to enter into meaningful discussions and dialog on behalf of their state.

We do not allow Judges to comment on public affairs outside their justification as it seriously compromises their independence the same principle applies to diplomats. Diplomats should only make comments when it is a clear reflection of their governments policy not an expression of their personal view. In most cases comments critical of anther government are made by the minister or in the US case secretary of state and political figures, Not diplomats. Diplomats are not policy makers. If Mr Turner is a low level administrator, Ukraine and Britain deserves better. The British Government should appoint someone of higher professional standing to such a strategically significant post.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:54 a.m.    

More blowhard and selective nitpicking from svidomite extraordinaire Less.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 5:06 a.m.    

The issue in this article is profanity. But, I see that there are several kremlinoids with ad hominem attacks against Mr Leigh Turner. Or, is it just one kremlinoid sock-puppet? Ad hominem attacks are the standard modus operandi of kremlinoids!

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:53 a.m.    

Less is so full of it, given his own ad hominen attacks and use of terms like kremlinoid.

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AL BALA Jan. 21, 2012, 7:04 a.m.    

Would you prefer that I use the term &quot;useful idiot&quot; rather than &quot;kremlinoid&quot; ?

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 10:53 a.m.    

The issue under debate is censorship and the commentariate.

The removal of comments on Leigh Turners penal opinion blog is of major concern on two fronts.

1 censorship of political debate

and

2. the role of the Ambassador.

Looks like Kyivpost has once again censored debate and remo0ved comments critical of the UK blogging Ambassador. If Leigh Tuner wants to be a political advocate then he should resign from the diplomatic service. He has crossed the line in his actions and in the process he has compromised the British foreign office and those who he is supposed to represent. The role of an Ambassador is not to be engaged in local politics but to represent the government of the day not his own personal onion and assessments. In the same we do not allow Judges to engage in the political debate on judicial matters Mr Turner should not be engaged in self promotion. I have discussed this issue with a number of people and most think he has crossed the line as a result of his self promotion blogging. Again if he wants to be a political advocate then he should resign If he is on the UK payroll then he should think twice before compromising the foreign office. The UK would be better off it it appointed a more senior person to what is an important strategic position.

The imposed censorship and removal of comments critical of Leigh Turner is in itself a disgrace and a denial of democratic rights.

Question was the removal of comments from Leigh Turners posts undertaken at a request of the Ambassador.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 2:16 a.m.    

Here is a classic example of what I stated.

Guest, Guest | Yesterday at 22:48

Here comes Les the CIA fan boy with the American dick up his ass.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/120441/#ixzz1jZj8AWMO

This was in response to this comment on the Klitchko article :

LES - PS, Guest | Yesterday at 21:04

Dear Van the Man,

To make it moron-proof for you :

Ukrainians in Ukraine were forced to learn Russian because Moskali were too ignorant to learn Ukrainian.

Ukrainians in Ukraine learned other languages while in school, or elsewhere - as opposed to Russians that bought their diploma in the Moscow subway.

Ukrainians in the Diaspora learned the language of of their new homeland and learned other languages in high school and college/university. Also, Ukrainians that came to the Diaspora knew a few languages already. My Father knew about ten (10) languages, and my Mother knew about seven (7)languages.

Sincerely,

LES

PS Do the math - if you know arithmetic.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/120441/#ixzz1jZk2652b

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Mykhayl Jan. 20, 2012, 5:03 p.m.    

As the Ukrainian proverb states...

Those who speak many languages is multilingual,

those who speak three languages are trillingual,

those who speak two languages are bilingual,

those who speak only one language is a Russian.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:52 a.m.    

Such is the the hypocrisy from some Western establishment foreign policy politicos and their media cronies.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 1:10 a.m.    

The BBC is a British Government-funded information organization that has been criticized for its anti-Russian an anti-Ukrainian propaganda.

This disclaimer is present in the interest of maintaining a balance policy in what is an unprofessional bias demonstrated by Kyivpost's editors against Russia today. It bring Kyivpost, its editor's and journalist into disrepute and treats it's reads as idiots as if they are not capable of ascertaining the full extent of a media outlets bias in their reporting.

The same unprofessional policy applied against Russia Today should also be applied to the BBC and other outlets. If KyivPost's owners of publishers do not support Russia Today's news source then STOP Publishing their syndicate stories, or is it a case that Kyivpost as suspected in in fact funded by the US government?

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:50 a.m.    

Better applied to Kp regulars like Motyl and Kuzio.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 2:10 a.m.    

Sorry Mr. Willard. You are a &quot;slow poke' rather than a &quot;dinosaur&quot;. For far too long all sides have regularly sent comments that are composed of gutter language to hurl ethnic, racial and religious slurs. Even though you have taken so long to do so I applaud the action you are taking.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:50 a.m.    

You shouldn't.

He has yet to denounce and apologize for the childish disclaimers KP puts before RT articles.

KP doesn't post negativity about Motyl and Kuzio before running their commentary.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 8:43 a.m.    

I would say some modicum of monitoring of the comments is long overdue. The vitriol displayed on KP is at times astounding and at times quite humorous and predictable. However, the continuous attacks on posters by other posters has driven away a lot of reasonable and open discussion about news and culture in Ukraine.

As for those of you who fear registration, granted, it is a two edged sword. However, if any of you think you are not being monitored already, you are living on another planet.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 11:56 a.m.    

Good point as far as being already monitored.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 10:08 p.m.    

The vitriol is rooted in the cultural divide created not only by division of Ukraine between Russia an Austria-Hungary but also the heresy of the UGCC imposed by the Polski centuries ago.How does one overcome the problem that part of the population looks west and the other east?.Is there no common ground.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 9:52 a.m.    

Odd. I have lived in Ukraine for quite some years now. We have traveled the length and breadth of this fair country. I/we have friends from west and east, north and south, and we often discuss the economy and politics with them. NEVER have I heard anything approaching the vitriol posted on Kiev Post.

Quite frankly there is common ground here. Most Ukrainians are much more concerned with daily life, rich, poor, or indifferent, than to rant and rave about politics. Yes, we discuss many subjects, and some of our friends are quite the opposite of us in political and economic views, but as I said, I've never heard the comments from any of them that are quite common on KP.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 10:24 a.m.    

The reason is obvious. You deal with the regular UKRAINIANS living in Ukraine. May commentators that come here are clueless Anti-Ukrainian kremlinoids/trolls and/or sock-puppets.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:45 a.m.    

More like nationalist anti-Russian dimwits.

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Anonymous Jan. 15, 2012, 10:56 p.m.    

The heresy is in the Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot; which is creating pulpits in Ukraine for their KGB &quot;priests&quot; to stand on, and have Ukrainians shrive to the KGB &quot;priests&quot;.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:48 a.m.    

More like the heresy from the overly politicized and inaccurate comments made by the Uniates and the turncoat bum Filaret.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:28 a.m.    

You have the delusional audacity to state, &quot;More like the heresy from the overly politicized and inaccurate comments.&quot; ?

The below article states what the Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot; (MP) {I will not call this &quot;church&quot; Orthodox!} does to TRUE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX believers. If the kremlin {AKA : Muscovy} does this to RUSSIANS, what do you expect them to do to UKRAINIANS – AGAIN?

In the 1920,s, 1930’s, and 1940’s the Kremlin closed or destroyed ALL of the UKRAINIAN CHURCHES in UKRAINE, and MURDERED tens of thousands (10,000’s) of UKRAINIAN priests and clergy in UKRAINE.

Now the Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot; (MP) wants more pulpits for their KGB to stand on – to shrive the UKRAINIAN people in UKRAINE, rather than returning the Ukrainian Churches, UKRAINIAN Churches’ land, and UKRAINIAN Churches’ property that the kremlin stole from the UKRAINIAN people.

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And the news is of how the clergy and faithful of our Church have been forced out of their churches in the most crude and blasphemous manner, churches which had been given to them for their perpetual use. The actions of our government officials are enough to give any Orthodox Christian living in our so-called “legitimate, democratic society” cause for alarm and reflection. Our churches, so dear to the heart of any believing person, were taken away from us.

The Orthodox Church, Orthodox Christians kicked out of Orthodox churches, have been subjected to persecution in its most blatant and naked form. And this is happening at a time when our country, Russia, no longer calls itself an atheistic government, and no longer seeks to establish atheism or any other “generally required” ideology.

Additionally, the Russian authorities tell us constantly that our country is free and powerful; that it is “rising from its knees;” that it is building a government based on law and order, and that its authorities guarantee freedom of religion, and respect the feelings and religious convictions of people of faith, especially of those who are Orthodox.

They constantly assure us that Russia is experiencing a religious renaissance, and that the Russian population is being cleansed from the defilement and the moral decay that it has inherited from the Godlessness of the Soviet era.

But how do we see things, who live in the very heart of Holy Russia – in the ancient center of Russian spirituality, Suzdal? The present government’s law enforcement agencies are turning out, throwing out into the street, people who are Russians, and Orthodox, natives of Suzdal, citizens of Russia, from ancient Orthodox churches, which these people rebuilt from complete ruins with faith and with love, paying for the repairs with their own measly pensions and meager salaries, and in which, with the government’s permission, and in accordance with the law, they poured out their prayers to God.

With an abundance of love in Christ Jesus,

Valentine, Metropolitan of Suzdal and Vladimir

2009/2010 Christmas | Suzdal

http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2010/01/persecution-of-traditional-russian.html

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/69115/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz1ik09v8Bd

PS You can read the rest at either link. In fact, if you have the time to follow my links, and read my comments, you will find that KGB Kirill and the Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot; are the Anti-Christ!

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/120095/50/page/1/#comments#ixzz1jh6LwAjY

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 9:10 p.m.    

More empty calories in the form of half truths and outright lies from svidomite extraordinaire Less.

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Anonymous Jan. 18, 2012, 10:53 a.m.    

На думку Філарета, &quot;Росія використовує церкву в політичних цілях&quot;. Оскільки коли патріарх Кирило приїжджає до України, він не стільки говорить про духовні цінності, скільки про &quot;руський мир&quot;.

Нагадаємо, нещодавно патріарх Філарет сказав, що на його думку на українську державність нападають через мову і церкву.

http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/filaret-mitropolit-volodimir-doviv-patriarha-kirila-do-infarktu.html

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Anonymous Jan. 18, 2012, 10:44 p.m.    

Less' cyber masturbating svidomite fixations linger on.

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AL BALA Jan. 22, 2012, 7:28 p.m.    

In the Moscow church praying at the icon with Stalin.

http://tsn.ua/svit/u-moskovskomu-hrami-molyatsya-na-ikonu-zi-stalinim.html

Icon of Stalin &quot;unleashed miracle&quot; pilgrims who had spent with her prayer the move

http://tsn.ua/svit/ikona-stalina-yavila-divo-prochanam-yaki-proveli-z-neyu-molitovnu-hodu.html

PS The Moscow KGB &quot;church&quot; still prays to &quot;icons&quot; of &quot;saint&quot; Stalin.

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AL BALA Feb. 10, 2012, 8:20 p.m.    

If you say that someone is lying when they are telling the truth, that makes you the liar! By the way, the louder you scream doesn’t make what you say any more true.

To the contrary, the louder you scream, the more desperate you must be to shout down the truth! Truth is not dependent on volume or the power of your lungs. Truth is not mindless repetition of rhetoric.

The Nazis were big believers in slogans and loud lying. They started out strong and look where they ended up. The arrogance of power deludes you into thinking you get to define the truth, as if truth were some kind of malleable commodity, subject to be determined by those in power.

Those in power may believe, may hope that to be the case, but truth is not determined by consensus or by majority vote. And truth is not what you hear on TV just because the mainstream media are broadcasting a message the current administration wishes to promote. In case you don’t know, that’s not truth, that’s propaganda. That’s not informing people, that’s indoctrinating people. And it damn sure isn’t enlightenment–it’s manipulation!

Thank God–and I do mean that literally!—we still have enough freedom in this country to express our concerns.

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Mykhayl Jan. 16, 2012, 6:20 p.m.    

You speaking about the Carpatho Russian separatists?

They line in McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania.

Or the KGB agents in vestments?

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:44 a.m.    

Simpleton thinking about a people who don't buy into the dubious svidomite slant.

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Anonymous Jan. 16, 2012, 11:02 a.m.    

Dear Mr. Michael Willard,

If you have the time to review the vulgar language in the comments, you will find that the comments with profanity are either Anti-Ukrainian, or anti-west. Gee? I wonder who is posting them? There are also some from Sock-puppets, and, to be fair, some Ukrainian children are provoked and lose their temper, unthinkingly. To help both sides hold their tongues, I put together some proverbs from the Bible. Whither they are a Christian, Jewish, atheist, or etc, if they have half of a brain - then they will understand how to behave grownup - and mature. Also, they can get to practice their English and Ukrainian if they are learning either language

Respectfully,

LES

Proverbs 10:7-8

New International Version (NIV)

7 The name of the righteous is used in blessings,[a]

but the name of the wicked will rot.

8 The wise in heart accept commands,

but a chattering fool comes to ruin.

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7 Пам'ять про праведного на благословення, а ймення безбожних загине.

8 Заповіді мудросердий приймає, але дурногубий впаде.

Proverbs 10:9-11

9 Whoever walks in integrity walks securely,

but whoever takes crooked paths will be found out.

10 Whoever winks maliciously causes grief,

and a chattering fool comes to ruin.

11 The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life,

but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.

9 Хто в невинності ходить, той ходить безпечно, а хто кривить дороги свої, буде виявлений.

10 Хто оком моргає, той смуток дає, але дурногубий впаде.

11 Уста праведного то джерело життя, а уста безбожним прикриє насильство.

Proverbs 10:13-14

13 Wisdom is found on the lips of the discerning,

but a rod is for the back of one who has no sense.

14 The wise store up knowledge,

but the mouth of a fool invites ruin.

13 В устах розумного мудрість знаходиться, а різка на спину безтямного.

14 Приховують мудрі знання, а уста нерозумного близькі до загибелі.

Proverbs 10:17-19

17 Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life,

but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.

18 Whoever conceals hatred with lying lips

and spreads slander is a fool.

19 Sin is not ended by multiplying words,

but the prudent hold their tongues.

17 Хто напучування стереже той на стежці життя, а хто нехтує картання, той блудить.

18 Хто ненависть ховає, в того губи брехливі, а хто наклепи ширить, той дурноверхий.

19 Не бракує гріха в многомовності, а хто стримує губи свої, той розумний.

Proverbs 10:23-24

23 A fool finds pleasure in wicked schemes,

but a person of understanding delights in wisdom.

24 What the wicked dread will overtake them;

what the righteous desire will be granted.

23 Нешляхетне робити забава невігласа, а мудрість людині розумній.

24 Чого нечестивий боїться, те прийде на нього, а прагнення праведних сповняться.

Proverbs 14:6-8

6 The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none,

but knowledge comes easily to the discerning.

7 Stay away from a fool,

for you will not find knowledge on their lips.

8 The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways,

but the folly of fools is deception.

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6 Насмішник шукає премудрости, та надаремно, пізнання легке для розумного.

7 Ходи здалека від людини безумної, і від того, в кого мудрих уст ти не бачив.

8 Мудрість розумного то розуміння дороги своєї, а глупота дурних то омана.

Proverbs 15:1-2

1 A gentle answer turns away wrath,

but a harsh word stirs up anger.

2 The tongue of the wise adorns knowledge,

but the mouth of the fool gushes folly.

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1 Лагідна відповідь гнів відвертає, а слово вразливе гнів підіймає.

2 Язик мудрих то добре знання, а уста нерозумних глупоту висловлюють.

Proverbs 15:4-6

4 The soothing tongue is a tree of life,

but a perverse tongue crushes the spirit.

5 A fool spurns a parent’s discipline,

but whoever heeds correction shows prudence.

6 The house of the righteous contains great treasure,

but the income of the wicked brings ruin.

4 Язик лагідний то дерево життя, а лукавство його заламання на дусі.

5 Зневажає безумний напучення батькове, а хто береже осторогу, стає розумніший.

6 Дім праведного скарб великий, а в плоді безбожного безлад.

Proverbs 26:3-5

New International Version (NIV)

3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey,

and a rod for the backs of fools!

4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,

or you yourself will be just like him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly,

or he will be wise in his own eyes.

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3 Батіг на коня, оброть на осла, а різка на спину глупців.

4 Нерозумному відповіді не давай за нерозум його, щоб і ти не став рівний йому.

5Нерозумному відповідь дай за безумством його, щоб він в очах своїх не став мудрим.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:43 a.m.    

Les' long winded babble once again distorts reality.

Much of the profanity is coming fro the kind of nationalist anti-Russian views which the Kyiv Post has favored.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 8:15 a.m.    

Why do Moscali call the truth anti-Russian ?

Why do Moskali hate Russian children so much - that they lie to Russian children ?

Why do Moskali hate the Bible ?

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 9:09 p.m.    

besides being a stupid propagandist, why do you repeat such garbage?

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 2:54 a.m.    

We all know that the commies think that the bible is garbage, and that if it is not in their Soviet Encyclopedia then it is stupid.

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Anonymous Jan. 17, 2012, 7:44 p.m.    

Love blinds a man, in his eyes the hag is a beauty the harlot a paragon of virtue.Blinded by love he is the last to know when his hearts desire betrays him.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 10:49 a.m.    

Looks like Kyivpost has once again censored debate and remo0ved comments critical of the UK blogging Ambassador. If Leigh Tuner wants to be a political advocate then he should resign from the diplomatic service. He has crossed the line in his actions and in the process he has compromised the British foreign office and those who he is supposed to represent. The role of an Ambassador is not to be engaged in local politics but to represent the government of the day not his own personal onion and assessments. In the same we do not allow Judges to engage in the political debate on judicial matters Mr Turner should not be engaged in self promotion. I have discussed this issue with a number of people and most think he has crossed the line as a result of his self promotion blogging. Again if he wants to be a political advocate then he should resign If he is on the UK payroll then he should think twice before compromising the foreign office. The UK would be better off it it appointed a more senior person to what is an important strategic position.

The imposed censorship and removal of comments critical of Leigh Turner is in itself a disgrace and a denial of democratic rights. Quwesti9on was the removal of comments from Leigh Turners posts undertaken at a request of the Ambassador.

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Anonymous Jan. 19, 2012, 3:20 p.m.    

Suggesting to limit free speech and opinion of others is a sign of autocracy – a deceitful way to use democracy to bring down democracy. If Mr. Turner did not represent his government in a satisfactory manner he would not be in his position.

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AL BALA Feb. 10, 2012, 8:23 p.m.    

Putin gets a drink fit for dinosaurs

Today at 18:58 | Reuters

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/122252/#ixzz1m0LDZlo5

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