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The rise of the radical right in Ukraine

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Oct. 21, 2010, 10:26 p.m. | Op-ed — by Andreas Umland

Andreas Umland

Andreas Umland writes: Svoboda is a phenomenon that is not untypical for contemporary Europe. The year 2010 has seen a number of new, disturbing political developments in Ukraine. If these trends continue, they many undermine Ukraine’s international image as the only solidly pro-democratic oriented country in the former Soviet space.

All major institutions and structures that make up a functioning democracy have suffered from worrying interventions by the new Ukrainian leadership: parliamentary procedures, the rule of law, mass media, civil society and even higher education. They have been widely reported in both the Ukrainian and international press.

Another emerging problem for Ukraine’s future international reputation has, at the same time, remained largely ignored by most observers: the recent rise of the right-wing All-Ukrainian Association “Svoboda” (Freedom) of Oleh Tiahnybok, a physician and lawyer from western Ukraine’s largest city, Lviv. His ultra-nationalist party grew out of the clearly fascist Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU) founded in 1991 in Lviv.
It seems likely that Svoboda will have a faction in the next Verkhovna Rada. That will mean additional damage for Kyiv’s already dented international reputation.

- Andreas Umland, leacturer at Kyiv-Mohyla Academy.

The SNPU’s name deliberately sounds like Hitler's Nazi-inspired National-Socialist German Workers Party. Its symbol was the so-called Wolfsangel once used by the SS Division “Das Reich,” and today popular among various European neo-Nazi groups.

In 2004, the Social-National Party renamed itself into Svoboda and abandoned the Wolfsangel. While Svoboda remained explicitly nationalistic, it has toned down its revolutionary rhetoric in recent years.

It also embraced, in its front-stage statements, a national-democratic discourse, and proclaims its adherence to the Ukrainian Constitution.

Its leadership includes a number of articulate intellectuals such as Iryna Farion, a senior lecturer in Ukrainian philology at Lviv’s Polytechnical Institute, and Andriy Illyenko, son of the legendary nationalist film director Yuriy Illyenko (1936-2010) and a political science researcher at Kyiv’s Shevchenko University.

They and, above all, Tiahnybok himself have recently become regular guests on Ukrainian TV shows, and sought-after interviewees or authors of many Kyiv periodicals.

As a result, Svoboda’s popularity has, especially in Western Ukraine, been constantly growing during the last year. It has also made inroads into the less nationalistic regions of central Ukraine.

As Ukraine has a proportional electoral system with a relatively low 3 percent barrier for an entry into parliament, it seems likely that Svoboda will have a faction in the next Verkhovna Rada.

That will mean additional damage for Kyiv’s already dented international reputation.

Svoboda is a racist party promoting explicitly ethnocentric and anti-Semitic ideas. Its main programmatic points are Russo- and xenophobia as well as, more recently, a strict anti-immigration stance.

It is an outspoken advocate of an uncritical heroization of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists – an interwar and World War II ultra-nationalist party tainted by its temporary collaboration with the Third Reich, as well as its members’ participation in genocidal actions against Poles and Jews, in western Ukraine, during German occupation.

Although Svoboda emphasizes the European character of the Ukrainian people, it is an anti-Western, anti-liberal, and anti-EU grouping. It belongs to the international so-called Alliance of European National Movements.

This radically right-wing pan-European party association includes, among other groupings, France’s Front national, The Movement for a Better Hungary (Jobbik) and the British National Party – three of Europe’s most prolific and extreme nationalist parties today.

Tiahnybok’s most prominent new political friend on the international scene is, incongruously, the Frenchmen Jean-Marie Le Pen who also used to be friendly with Vladimir Zhirinovskii – an aggressively anti-Ukrainian Russian imperialist politician.
A country as domestically unconsolidated and internationally non-integrated as Ukraine, a prominent ultra-nationalist party in parliament would be a dangerous luxury.

- Andreas Umland, leacturer at Kyiv-Mohyla Academy.

Svoboda is a phenomenon not untypical for contemporary Europe.

Several EU member countries had or have politically significant parties and, sometimes, parliamentary factions with ideologies comparable to that of Tiahnybok’s association.

However, a country as domestically unconsolidated and internationally non-integrated as Ukraine, a prominent ultra-nationalist party in parliament would be a dangerous luxury.

Svoboda will, as a Verkhovna Rada faction, further estrange many Ukrainians in the country's east and south as well as a number of international partners from the Ukrainian state.

It will contribute to the already high geographical polarization within the Ukrainian electorate.

Svoboda’s presence in the national legislature would undermine the development of a Ukrainian political nation, and of a trans-regional, pan-ethnic patriotism.

Public opinion in countries like Poland, Israel and Germany would become more skeptical towards the Ukrainians as a European nation. Svoboda’s further rise will help cementing its current under-institutionalization in the European security structure.

The entry of ultra-nationalists into Ukraine’s political establishment will be an alienating factor between Kyiv and Brussels. It will thus, oddly, make Ukraine more vulnerable to Russian attempts to undermine this post-Soviet state’s independence and integrity.

Though many observers think that Ukraine is now already at the lowest point of its post-Soviet development, even more bad news might be in store for the largest country of Europe.


Andreas Umland was formerly a fellow at Stanford, Harvard and Oxford. He currently teaches within the Master in German and European Studies program at the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and edits the scholarly book series “Soviet and Post-Soviet Politics and Society” published in Stuttgart, Germany.
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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2010, 10:59 p.m.    

Anything is better than the current regime which takes its orders from Moscow.

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Anonymous Oct. 21, 2010, 11:48 p.m.    

Anything?

You have some serious issues with your brain cell gray matter. A Nazi-loving fascist-based philosophy of hatred for all, Poles, Russians, Jews and everyone else, except pure-blooded Galichians such as that fomented by Tiahnybok and his loyal automatons as well as their Hitlerite diaspora underlings is sickening.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 4:07 a.m.    

I don't know what you're on about. Svoboda is a nationalist organization. Being a nationalist does not equal fascist. Anyway, what's important is why Svoboda is gaining in popularity.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 4:33 p.m.    

You throw the words &quot;nazi loving fascist&quot; around quite loosely...prove what you are alleging...Russian paranoia...

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 3:53 a.m.    

&quot;Anything is better than the current regime&quot; ... which took its orders from the USA...

I would have said that the above comment applies to Yushchenko's regime. Apart from the concentration of power I would say that Yanukovych as was the case when he was prime Minister has provided stable and positive governance overall. He certainly has done a better job then Yushchenko who would have to rate as one of the worlds worst leaders. As Bob Dlyan once said you have to serve somebody.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 2:51 a.m.    

We should not overlook the anti-Christian-Palestinian cleaning in Israel. While we are lamenting the anti-Byzantine-Christianity in Turkey, anti-Greco-Catholicism... shall I continue?

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Ukrainian.Nationalist Aug. 29, 2012, 7:32 p.m.    

Hah! Do you have access to a television set? What about "Palestinian" crimes against Christians against Lebanon? And what the hell is the obsession with Israel?

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 1:39 a.m.    

For Every Action there is .....Reaction

The Ying needs a Yang

What goes UP must come ....

Scientific Marxism: Thesis needs AntiThesis in order to get SynThesis

Extreme Left creates an extreme ....R

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 3:25 a.m.    

&quot;You can't keep them down on the farm

after they've sean...&quot; Toronto!

Pro-Russian is good business for Ukraine,

while pro-Ukrainian is Nazi Soviet-disinformation.

What am I to take from this... &quot;OPINION&quot;?

Hoho Ukraine is anti-EU,

isn't that a step up from Little Russia?

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 6:01 a.m.    

Who's Ukraine. they are not &quot;pro Ukrainian&quot; they certainly do not represent the views of Ukraine. They a a minor fringe element who support base is predominately in Western Ukraine Carpathian Mountain region. They most certainly do not represent the broad views of Ukraine. Backward thinking hillbillys.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 8:03 a.m.    

What is your opinion of the works of Vasyl Stus?

PS he's was from Donetsk.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 3:48 a.m.    

Svoboda is a phenomenon that is not untypical for contemporary Europe

Should read...

Svoboda is a phenomenon that is not atypical for contemporary Europe

or

Svoboda is a phenomenon that is not uncommon for contemporary Europe

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 4:13 a.m.    

An excellent and correct observation.

A better electoral system would be to establish say 405 local electorates based on the 225 existing electoral districts with each electorate electing nine members of parliament on a 10% quota with the method of election being a preferential single transferable vote proportional representation. Under an STV voting system there is no need for artificial representation quota's. The nine member (10% quota) proposed electorates itself is a limiting barrier.

You are right, Svoboda is likely to secure increased support arising from the fall out and loss of support from the &quot;Our Ukraine&quot; Party. But this is a democracy and even extreme right wing nationalist opinions deserve representation if there is sufficient support.

From what I have read I am not so sure if I would go as far as characterising Oleh Tiahnybok himself by reference to various aspects of the neo-NAZIs but certainly many of his supporters and associated factions are of the fascist extreme right, trading on the &quot;their notion&quot; of what is and what is not nationalist pride. All nationalist parties are of concern as they seek to unit people under the banner of &quot;National pride&quot; and in doing so come close to promoting xenophobia and racist vilification not sound policy that is in the interest or representative of the majority. I would be more concerned by the rise of the neo-UPA which very much has its roots in support for the former NAZI party and is by its past actions into Ukrainian and anti democratic.

I think you need to also keep a close eye on the push for a first-past-the-post voting system, a system that Britain wants to abolish yet some in Ukraine think could be advantageous. This could be much more destructive then allowing minor more radical parties a voice in the legislature.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 4:17 a.m.    

Correction: A better electoral system would be to establish a 405 member Parliament with 225 local electorates based around the current electoral administrative districts with each electorate electing nine members of parliament elected by proportional representation.

Such a proposal would be in line with the recommendation outlined in the recent PACE report.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 5:18 a.m.    

This opinion is way over the top...to the point of being nonsensical.

The rise of the Svoboda Party is a natural outcome to the extreme

behaviour of the PoR and its ideologically driven anti Ukrainian ministers. So the rise of the Svoboda party is just the other end of the spectrum....a perfectly normal occurrence. If the PoR makes itself more pro Ukrainian in every aspect(not just catering to Russia), the population will become more moderate.

So perhaps the Svoboda party is serving a very good purpose....it'll help moderate the extreme policies of the PoR....and that is good.

Ukraine desperately needs to be a part of europe(not Russia)so that it can benefit from that association economically and in every other way. The foolish concentration on Russia(which has zero to offer Ukraine) is a total blunder. Perhaps unknowingly, Mr. Tiahnybok

is serving a very good purpose.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 5:58 a.m.    

Nonsense Its rise has corresponded with the fall of Our Ukraine. It is a racists xenophobic ant-semitic, anti Ukraine, anti democracy fascist movement, supported by other fascists neo Nazi organisations and individuals such as Tomas Martinez from the USA and other extreme groups such as those who who committed the Oklahoma bombings. Google &quot;Tomas Martinez fascist&quot;. Thankfully they will be marginalised with the introduction of majoritarian voting which will deny it representation and a voice.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 6:04 a.m.    

Svoboda's positions are a natural reaction to the extreme anti Ukrainian policies of the PoR.

What did you expect?

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 1:22 p.m.    

Pary of Regions positions are a natural reaction to the extreme anti Ukrainian anti democratic policies of the Yushchhenko that destabelised the Country .

What did you expect? Same failed polcies should be retained. Lieke it or not Ukraine is better off now then it was under Yushchenko ven with Yanukovych taking a backward step in seeking constitutional change. Teh Cahanges Yushenko advocated were much worst.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 11:15 p.m.    

If anything, the reverse is true. The activist minority of Ukrainian anti-Rusisan forces have provoked an understandable reply.

Russia has much to offer Ukraine.

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Anonymous Nov. 10, 2010, 5:38 a.m.    

Will Russia offer another Ukaz or another Holodomor?

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 9:02 a.m.    

At present, Ukraine is under Moscow rule, from which several things follow, among which are that its press freedom will continue to be strangled to the point that journalists are regularly murdered, that its elections will be fixed, that its assets will be sold off to Russia, that it will be drawn away from Europe with not the slightest chance of admission to the EU. And, oh yes, it's economy will fare as well as any European economy has ever fared under Kremlin control, as for example the economy of East Germany.

Andreas Umland pretends to be unaware of these devastating facts, and directs our attention to something utterly peripheral and trivial, which diversion suggests that he is among those who are happy to see Ukraine under Putin's control, and happy to join Putin in his incessant portrayal of Ukrainians as Nazis or proto-Nazis or quasi-Nazis.

Andreas Umland, in short, is an enemy of Ukraine, a fifth columnist, whom it is impossible to distinguish from an agent of the Kremlin. We can expect that if he chose to expound his views in Moscow, he would receive a standing ovation.

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2010, 7:22 p.m.    

Check Umland's writings, he is totally opposed to Kremlin control over Ukraine. If anybody is a Fifth Column it is the diaspora wacko's, not Umland.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 11:11 p.m.    

Both have faults.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 11:11 p.m.    

Very untrue points about Russia.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 6:02 a.m.    

The Kremlin is quite anti Russian itself. It is ethnically cleansing Russia of Russians.

The Kremlin is just a slave to America, it is completely destroying Russia from the inside out.

The fingerprints of certain elements are indeed present here.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 11:13 p.m.    

A bit unrealistic while touching on how official Rusisa has lacked in combatting the propaganda against Russia.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 10:07 a.m.    

Unfortunately, op-eds are a dime a dozen these days. Essentially, our posts in this group are op-eds that do not make it to the newspaper. Op-eds are like cars - you have BMWs, and you have Ladas.

Andreas Umland's op-ed is a Lada.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 11:10 p.m.    

If so, the same holds true for a good portion of the commentary against him.

Meantime, there's valid opposition to his takes.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 10:27 a.m.    

QUOTE: &quot;...However, a country as domestically unconsolidated and internationally non-integrated as Ukraine, a prominent ultra-nationalist party in parliament would be a dangerous luxury...&quot;

As if the 1932-3 genocide was not suficient Chornobyl surely paid Ukraine's dues for a ULRAINIAN IS BEAUTIFUL campaign, which can embrace even you. Yet your opinion ends with &quot;many observers think that Ukraine is now already at the lowest point of its post-Soviet development, even more bad news might be in store for the largest country of Europe.&quot;

Back in the US... back in the US... back in the USSR. Lennon / McCartney

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 4:23 p.m.    

Umland is right. Oleg Tyahnibok sucks. He is an embarassment to the country.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 6 a.m.    

There are certainly some unfortunate statements made in the article that have the fingerprints of certain elements and institutions in western Europe - and especially Germany - all over them.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 6:13 p.m.    

Yanukonvict and his gang of criminals are responsible for pushing SNPU to this level with their anti Ukrainian/ pro Russian stance, anti democratic and pro criminal activities.I don't think they will be surprised to see a group of intellectuals in parliament, and it's about time!

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 11:08 p.m.    

If anything, it's more the other way around.

Like it or not, your folks are in the minority in Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 6:33 p.m.    

We don't care what you want to call them, we are voting for SNPU!Quite frankly, we are sick and tired of watching the same old criminals/Kremlin advocates, destroy our nation.It's about time someone stands up to them! Go Tiahnybok!!!

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 9:25 p.m.    

&quot;Another emerging problem for Ukraine’s future international reputation...&quot; (blad, blah, blah). I would say the problem is 'progressive' lecturers who teach at respected institutions who have little understanding of the dynamic of actual Ukrainian society and it's history and try to understand it by incorporating views from history of people who wanted to subjugate Ukraine. Furthermore, with this feeble understanding they try to explain to the Ukrainian people how they would be better off doing things 'their' way or the way they perceive to be correct.

While it may be true that some representatives of Ukraine's nationalist movements may be over the top but to denounce all patriotic Ukrainians as fascists, as you imply, is about as ignorant as the point you are trying to make. Patriotic Ukrainians will make their decisions on who will lead them once they regain control of their country. Unfortunately, Ukrainians have not had control of their country for a very long time and to regain it methods will have to be used that you may not agree with (or do agree with yet will not admit so because they are against your agenda).

Do not also make it appear as Europe is the be all and end all model of Democracy because that is about as laughable a statement as anyone can make. How are Greece's France's democracies working out with rioting going on in the streets. This will soon be occurring in more European nations as well.

Ukraine has a much more Democratic tradition when Ukrainians actually ruled themselves than any European country. It is the times when foreign powers seized control of Ukraine that democracy disappeared.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 9:29 p.m.    

&quot;It (OUN) is an outspoken advocate of an uncritical heroization of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists – an interwar and World War II ultra-nationalist party tainted by its temporary collaboration with the Third Reich, as well as its members’ participation in genocidal actions against Poles and Jews, in western Ukraine, during German occupation.&quot;

Genocidal actions against Poles and Jews-really, what kind of unbiased opinion is this from someone who sets himself up as an external expert on Ukrainian matters. Umland is a hypocrite. He states that Svoboda is uncritical of the actions of OUN but he is clearly uncritical of the widespread view that OUN committed genocidal actions against Poles and Jews. The OUN tried to protect Ukrainians from the butchery of Poles, Nazis, and Bolsheviks against Ukrainians. If the Poles, Nazis, and Bolsheviks had not invaded Ukraine there would not have been an OUN. And this German has the nerve to lecture Ukrainians about racism!

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 11:04 p.m.    

You don't think they got carried away?

Most Ukrainans don't think so highly of them.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 9:48 p.m.    

Furthermore, your own leader just stated that having foreigners that have not assimilated to their new countries' ideals and values is an utter failure that is now threatening Europe.

The same is true of Ukraine and it's so called 'minority rights' movements which are currently the majority in government. They are not for minority rights but for the subjugation and eradication of Ukraine as a nation. If you believe fighting against this is fascism then you really are in the wrong business.

I wonder how the average European will feel when say, muslims, demand that an arabic language becaome a state language in their country on par with say German or French and that all movies in European languages must also be shown in Farsi or Urdu with French or German subtitles. I am pretty sure that would never be allowed to happen.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 11:42 a.m.    

You don't understand... Germany can afford having this kind of statements made by its top politicians and refusing for instance opening Turkish-language schools for millions of Turks that live there - it is a &quot;civilized&quot; country after all ;) Someone else doing this would appear as extremely xenophobic and uncivilized...

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 5:58 a.m.    

Very true!

As one of the Svoboda partys leaders explains in this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQhiDBIEaYI, Europe now is losing its identity - do we want the same?

It is very important to learn from others mistakes.

I enjoy what she says about our flag: it is yellow and blue. Then you put some pink on it, grey, black, orange, red... Is it still the Ukrainian flag, or has it lost its original identity? ;)

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 10:09 p.m.    

If svoboda will adjust to a more pro russia position there is room at the table for them.POR= party of reason.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:59 p.m.    

The same can be said of Kuzio, Motyl, Umland and a host of others.

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Anonymous Oct. 22, 2010, 10:31 p.m.    

And there Mr. Umland is your answer. In order for Ukrainians to be accepted at the table in their own country they are told they must adopt a more pro-russian position.

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2010, 5:03 p.m.    

On the issue of OUN activities during WW II, see the articles by one of the foremost scholars on this topic, Prof. John-Paul Himka:

- &quot;Ukrainian past and Ukrainian future&quot; at http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/83452/

- &quot;The Lviv pogrom of 1941&quot; at http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/83019/

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Anonymous Oct. 23, 2010, 7:50 p.m.    

Just because someone writes some articles and a couple of books does not mean that they are &quot;one of the foremost scholars on this topic&quot;.

I find it very interesting that you cite a &quot;scholar&quot; who supports your opinion yet overlook all those that do not support your opinion. As a teacher you should be providing documentation and sources from both sides and letting your students form their own opinions and not citing one version of events and trying to form the opinions of your students for them. That is exactly what fascists do.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 4:01 p.m.    

I could have also referred to Prof. David Marples (Alberta), Dr. Per Anders Rudling (Greifswald), Dr. Grzegorz Rossolinski-Liebe (Greifswald), Prof. Frank Golczewski (Hamburg), Dr. Kai Struve (Halle), Dr. Franziska Bruder (Berlin), Dr. Ivan Katchanovski (Lutsk) and several other scholars (with neither a Ukrainian nor a Russian &quot;patriotic&quot;, i.e. apologetic/propagandistic, agenda) who have commented, in similar vein, on the OUN. However, they did, as far as know, not recently write for the &quot;Kyiv Post&quot; - which is why I mentioned only Himka's recent &quot;Kyiv Post&quot; articles below. I do not see much gain in taking seriously and quoting publicists who obviously follow other than epistemic aims with their publications (and whose academic credentials are sometimes missing).

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 4:17 p.m.    

Your aims also seem far from epistemic. It seems your list of scholars have ethnic origins stemming from the supposedly aggrieved and therefore their neutrality on the issue may also be questioned.

You seem to leave out all mention of NKVD squads (which are documented in the released SBU files) which were ordered to pretend to be OUN and UPA members and commit atrocities to discredit them.

And isn't it like an academic to say someone who doesn't have the abbreviation Dr. before his name does not have academic credentials. Bravo, you are now in the same intellectual class as Yanukovich, which is not surprising as you seem to share the same views of history and Ukraine's place in it.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:58 p.m.    

An overrated point.

OUN/UPA did their share of atrocities.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:56 p.m.    

A generally stated and vaild point.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 11:37 a.m.    

The author is just another bullshiter. Normally it is recommended to have a bit of an insight into something before starting to write or even speak of it... I guess it was for that alleged collaboration of OUN with the Germans that some key OUN members were sent to nazi concentration camps.

I bet you it is for this kind of reasoning that one might end up in Kyiv-Mohyla academy after Harvard and Oxford :))))

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:55 p.m.    

Get real!

Kaminski was murdered by the Nazis while heading an SS unit involved with some atrocities.

Rohm was no angel as well.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 4:43 p.m.    

In order to better understand Mr. Umland's credentials this is what he lists as part of his resume:

&quot;List Moderator &amp; Site Administrator

The Russian Nationalism Web Group

(Research industry)

September 2007 — Present (3 years 2 months)

A website and mailinglist for those interested in the past, present and future of Russian nationalism. It publishes the biweekly &quot;Russian Nationalism Bulletin&quot; (news items, journalistic features, primary sources, recent publications) and monthly &quot;Russian Nationalism Listserv&quot; (calls for papers, conferences, workshops, study programs, research projects, etc.): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/russian_nationalism/&quot;

I think it is obvious how neutral he is on this issue and where he gets the bulk of his research material.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 5:27 p.m.    

But what is &quot;obvious&quot; from that? That I am a Russian nationalist? Here you can find extensive Russian assessments of the depth of my allegiance to the Eurasian empire: http://evrazia.org/search.php?query=%D3%EC%EB%E0%ED%E4&amp;x=0&amp;y=0

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:54 p.m.    

It's a stretch to call him &quot;neutral.&quot;

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 5:37 p.m.    

&quot;trans-regional, pan-ethnic patriotism&quot;

Andreas, Ukraine already had that - it was called the soviet union, and the only nationalism that was allowed was Moscowcentric, Russian language based authoritarianism - homo sovieticus.

Tyahnybok is not &quot;anti-semitic&quot; nor is his party a &quot;radical right.&quot;

Now, it's true that there happen to be quite a few Jewish people at the top of the oligarch/government list in Ukraine, and they haven't been too beneficial for Ukraine. Themselves, yes - Ukraine, no. Pinchuk is one of them. There are others.

That's doesn't make Tyahnybok &quot;anti-semitic.&quot;

Standing up for Ukraine as an independent, free, sovereign, democratic country is not &quot;radical right.&quot;

But under the soviet view, that kind of standing up for Ukraine, and its language, was verboten &quot;nationalism&quot; (spit fiercely here, and fly into an uncontrolled rage if you are a homo sovieticus and have been brainwashed to hunt down and kill &quot;nationalists&quot;).

I think that you are distorting the views of Svoboda, and of Tyahnybok.

It's happened before.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 7:12 p.m.    

1. But what do you propose to do with the millions of ethnically non-Ukrainian citizens of Ukraine? Ukrainianize, stigmatize, disenfranchise, ghettoize, deport....? Ukraine IS a multi-ethnic country - whatever the historical reasons for that. This is why a party like &quot;Svoboda&quot; threatens the existence of the Ukrainian state, and is probably welcomed heartily by some people in Moscow.

2. As far as I can see &quot;radical right&quot; might be a term with which at least some of the leaders of &quot;Svoboda&quot; would actually be happy.

3. Tiahnybok not an antisemite? In 2004, he was kicked out of the &quot;Nasha Ukraina&quot; parliamentary faction for antisemitism. Note, for example, this statement by Tiahnybok: &quot;Anti-Semitism is not a free-standing phenomenon, but derives from Semitism. When, after the Chernobyl nuclear station accident, radiation levels rose sharply, steps were taken against that radiation, which seeped out everywhere. [...] That's how it is with anti-Semitism: it's a reaction to rising levels of Semitism in society. And no government can do anything about it, even if they shut down all insititutes of higher education. The word Semitism itself is a phantom, a mask, that doesn't really mean anything. An anti-Semite is one who dislikes Semites. Arabs also belong to the Semitic family - the biggest anti-Semites in the world.&quot;

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 1:15 p.m.    

I would like to know what People like Elmer and others classify as being &quot;Ukrainian' The fact is Ukraine has a diverse range of ethnicity in its citizenship. Every person who is a citizen of Ukraine has equal rights there should be no discrimination. Such policies as are promoted by the Ultra right Nationalist are not proponents of democracy. Democracy is about recognition of citizenship not ethnicity.

Tiahnybok represents a small sector of Ukraine'selectorate. I will give him one thing. He is a support of a Parliamentary system of governance.

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2010, 6:27 a.m.    

If you do not know the meaning of the word UKRAINIAN then I suggest that you read some non-kremlin books.

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Anonymous Oct. 24, 2010, 8:51 p.m.    

1. I don't propose to do anything with the millions of ethnically non-Ukrainian citizens. Neither does Svoboda.

But all of the ethnically non-Ukrainian citizens have to realize that they now live in Ukraine - not the sovok union, or Russia.

And certainly noone is proposing to ghettoize, or deport anyone. Ukrainians voluntarily leave Ukraine because of all the sovok relics in and close to government who have raped, robbed and pillaged Ukraine, who have made a cancerous system of corruption endemic in Ukraine, leaving nothing for people except poverty and misery and the desire to leave Ukraine for a better life in Europe, the US, Canada, or even, voluntarily, for prostitution out of Odessa to Dubai and the United Arab Emirates and elsewhere.

If you are talking about language, then in fact, in Ukraine, the official government language is and ought to be Ukrainian. Other than that, people are free to engage in whatever language they want.

Just as in Poland, government officials speak Polish - except when they go to Pinchuk's stupid YES party, er, conference, where, out of courtesy to the other appearing on the Savik Shuster show, or on Big Politics, Kwasniewski spoke Russian.

But even Russians from Russia now have the courtesy to listen to Ukrainians speak Ukrainian in Ukrainian - latest example, the Big Politics show, where the author of a new &quot;anthropology&quot; on Tymoshenko - from Russia - listened very gladly, as indicated by her, to Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian.

It's not Svoboda that threatens the existence of Ukraine - it's people like Yanukonvikt and his mafia gangsters, who are selling Ukrainian assets to Putler and his Russian oligarchs, who are giving up Ukraine's sovereignty to Putler and Kremlin with all sorts of &quot;cooperative spheres&quot; and consultations, and worse. And who are destroying media freedom, who think that Khoroshkovsky's huge conflicts of interest are OK, who are doing everything they can to torpedo elections, who are packing the Ukrainian Prostitutional Court and every other court with &quot;judges&quot; who will read their scripts.

The list goes on.

2. Radical right is not accurate, nor have I seen Tyahnybok or anyone else actively seeking such a misnomer.

The current political theory in some circles is that the Kremlin actually lends support to Svoboda in order to sabotage Tymoshenko on the theory of &quot;anyone but Tymoshenko.&quot;

Such is byzantine political thought in Rasha and Ukraine.

3. Tyahnybok is actually right, in the sense that Jews are not the only semitic people. And Arabs and others are, in fact, anti-Jewish. As far as anything else, please provide a link to any of Tyahnybok's statements which indicate that he advocates harm to Jews.

Andreas, you're going to have to do better than that if you want to stigmatize and destroy Tyahnybok.

But first of all, you have to understand all of the damage that sovok relics did, and are still doing, to Ukraine and every other country. But especially to Ukraine.

Until you understand that, you will not understand Svoboda.

And you will continue to have it backwards, thinking that Svoboda will somehow do &quot;damage&quot; to Ukraine, when in fact, the damage to Ukraine has been done and is being done by Kuchma and his progeny, including Yanukonvikt, Azarov Azarovych, Kolesnikov, Pinchuk, Akhmetov, and so forth.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:53 p.m.    

It's folks thinking like yourself who lack a reality check of the past and present circumstances on the territory of contemporary Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:50 p.m.    

Any problems with the anti-Russian activity within Svoboda?

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:49 p.m.    

Besides being inaccurate, this take of yours is a minority view in Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 5:45 a.m.    

You are wrong. According to the UN, Ukraine is a mono-ethnic country - over 70% of the population belongs to one ethnicity. Also, almost 97% of the country is of Slavic origins, and 99% of European origins.

Of course, we have minorities, and we deeply respect them! They should be represented at the national level beyond doubt.

What will we do with minorities? Watch videos and find out! =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frPBo4CDSVA

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 12:45 a.m.    

At least, I do not seem to the only one worried. See

«Свободі» не місце в демократичній опозиції - Тарас Кузьо http://blogs.korrespondent.net/celebrities/blog/taraskuzo/a26252

And the response by Andrij Illenko:

http://deschenko.livejournal.com/77128.html

and others:

http://blogs.pravda.com.ua/rus/authors/miroshnychenko/4ca0848854005/

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 5:44 a.m.    

Andreas, with all due respect - Miroshnychenko does not count, he is a Party of Regions mouthpiece, and he does not know anything.

My hat is off to you, however, for providing the deschenko Live Journal link for the Svoboda view.

The young man who appears on that link has actually also been on the Shuster show and several other political talk shows, and he lambasts Dr. Taras Kuzio (and I do respect him, by the way), among other things, for this:

ані Олег Тягнибок, ані &quot;Свобода&quot; ніколи не були учасниками блоку &quot;Наша Україна&quot;.

&quot;neither Oleh Tyahnybok nor Svoboda were ever in the Our Ukraine bloc.&quot;

Now, your comment below states that Tyahnybok was kicked out of the Our Ukraine bloc. How could that be?

I don't want to get bogged down with Our Ukraine - they did not do a good job of upholding the Orange Coalition, especially with odious pigs like Plyushch and others, who did everything they could to subvert the Orange Coalition.

Be that as it may - may I recommend to you Dr. Kuzio's article on the several types of nationalism?

I notice that yet another one of your articles has been posted by the Kyiv Post - this one in The Globalist.

Andreas, I'm with you all the way about the anti-democratic moves of Yankonvikt and his gangster government.

It is a serious problem.

But to add Svoboda to that - well, I respectfully disagree.

And by the way, the Kuzio article that you link to has this:

що її фінансує Партія регіонів заради дискредитації та роз’єднання демократичної опозиції

The Party of Regions is financing Svoboda in order to discredit and break up the democratic opposition.

Which, of course, is the byzantine politics of Ukraine and Russia to which I referred in my earlier comment.

That carries no weight with me, because of the pissing and shitting contest between Yushchenko and Tymoshenko while the Orange Coalition supposedly had the majority.

Andreas, the gangster mafia government of Yanukonvikt is the problem here - not Svoboda or Tyahnybok.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 1:10 p.m.    

what about the anti-democratic moves of Yushchenko and his efforts to destabelise Ukraine's successive governments.

It was a serious problem. Yushenko betrayed democracy in Ukraine and in teh process has set it back decades.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 1:07 p.m.    

Andreas In that case Elmer does not count either, he is a Yushchenko supporter.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:47 p.m.    

Yushchenko contributed to anti-democratic activity.

St least Yanukovych is more in sync with the view of most of Ukraine's population.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 5:53 a.m.    

With all do respect, Taras Kuzio is a person who rarely visits Ukraine, and has no idea how anything is on the ground. He isn't exactly the best person to gather information from.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 5:29 a.m.    

All of my family is supporting Svoboda. They are not racist and have many non-Ukrainian members.

Sorry, but Ukrainians simply don't want everything the EU has. We want to work with the EU and get close to them, but we don't want gay parades, millions of completely foreign immigrants (as Andreas president even said - multiculturalism has FAILED), we want to keep our language, culture, traditions in the face of globalization!

Watch these English langauge videos about Svoboda and you will see the true reason this party is the fastest growing in all of Ukraine for the past 5 years.

Btw, Svoboda has VERY close ties to Ukrainians abroad, all through the diaspora, even in Andreas homeland, Svoboda has an office and works there with Ukrainians. In USA too, Canada, Britain, etc...

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:46 p.m.    

For the purpose of being accurate, one shouldn't primarily rely on him.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 2:54 a.m.    

I am however curious what you are worried about Mr. Umland? That if Ukrainian patriots take over their country that they will rampage through Europe and Russia exterminating Jews like Germans did? That they will do the unthinkable and make Ukrainian politicians speak Ukrainian in Parliament? That they will make Ukrainian the more prevalent language in Ukrainian schools? My God!!! How deplorable that would be.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 11:54 a.m.    

Your &quot;patriotism&quot; is short-sighted: &quot;Svoboda's&quot; rise will deepen the already worrying divide of the country. It is a party that - whatever the reasons - causes fear and disgust in the East and South of Ukraine, and will mobilize russophones there. Its electoral usefulness for the Party of Regions has been argued in many publications. See for instance this last piece in &quot;Ukrainiski tyzhden&quot; (hardly a pro-Russian periodical): http://www.ut.net.ua/art/165/0/4438/ Guess who will be the main benefactors of &quot;Svoboda's&quot; rise, its repercussions in the East as well as South, and the resulting further weakening of Ukrainian state unity?

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 4:57 p.m.    

I think you underestimate the Ukrainian people.

The Savik Shuster show has audience meters, in which audience members who are selected to represent a cross-section of Ukraine provide instant feedback while any particular guest is speaking. The feedback is also broken down by categories, geographically, politically, etc.

Savik also asks questions of the audience - before and after the show.

Time and time again, audience members have changed their opinions after being provided with information.

Khoroshkovksy, Yanukonvikt and his gang know that information is key. And one of the big problems in Ukraine is that people in the East and South are being fed information which is totally different from information provided elsewhere.

And this carries over from the myths and fairy tales propounded by sovoks, who politicized history in order to hide their own crimes.

Misinformation even carries over to this day, Andreas:

Your statement, and Kuzio's: &quot;Tyahnybok and Svoboda were kicked out of Our Ukraine.&quot;

Tyahnybok and Svoboda were never members of Our Ukraine.

Tyahnybok has appeared on many of the political talk shows in Ukraine repeatedly.

I have yet to see the bogeyman that you make him out to be - or that unknown &quot;russphones&quot; in Ukraine make him out to be.

I still don't see a link to the supposedly terrible statements or positions of Tyahnybok and/or Svoboda that are going to be the &quot;ruin&quot; of Ukraine, beyond what Yanukonvikt and his gangster mafia are doing to Ukraine.

And we happen to agree about Yanukonvikt and his mafia, and what they are doing to Ukraine, Andreas.

Incidentally, if you go over to the Foreign Notes blog of October 23, 2010, you will see what Yanukonvikt is personally doing to Ukraine - he is making sure they know how to steal.

There is a reference to an article about how his 2 boys, one of whom is a worthless twit in the Parliament, and occupies a seat in Parliament for some unknown reason, just managed to buy a substantial amount of land for rock-bottom prices.

The &quot;stole it fair and square&quot; - all approved by the Donetsk City council.

http://ostro.org/news/article-129594/

And you're worried about Tyahnybok, while Yanukonvikt teaches his sons how to continue the Ukrainian mafia tradition - right before local elections?

Disinformation - more than mere political ads - is still a big industry in Ukraine.

There is no need to add to it.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:43 p.m.    

Shuster has carried on like a dupe at times - not too different in manner from some others taking different positions.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 1:06 p.m.    

Andreas, I fully agree with you. the ultra Nationalist movement is not about promoting democratic values. They represent less then 5% of the citizens of Ukraine. They offer nothing constructive and push xenophobic hatred and vilification. Keep up the good work and we wsih you all the best on your new position. The future of Ukriane is in the hands of the next generation.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 4:10 p.m.    

I hate to break it to you since you are obviously such a learned man with his pulse on the nation but Yanukovich along with Tabachnyk, Azarov and their cronies are the ones who are deepening the divide. It is human nature to defend oneself when attacked.

It is the aforementioned that are trying to eradicate the Ukrainian language and it's history. It is also the FSB that is actively fomenting disunity with its agents in Ukraine.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:44 p.m.    

Paranoid and inaccurate.

Consider the actual background of the &quot;Ukrainian language and it's history.&quot;

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2010, 7:35 a.m.    

Please note the absurd logic of the kremlin:

1862 - The Circular also stated that &quot;no separate Little Russian language ever existed, doesn't exist, and couldn't exist&quot;, but permitted publication of literature in the Ukrainian language.

1876 - The Circular also stated that &quot;no separate Little Russian language ever existed, doesn't exist, and couldn't exist&quot;, therefore, the kremlin completely prohibited something that did not exist?

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 5:41 a.m.    

Sir, with all of your clearly superior knowledge, would you be able to explain this?

Savik Shuster asks: is Ukraine for Ukrainians 1) Nazism, 2) Patriotism, or 3) Nationalism.

Why did both eastern and western Ukraine give very similar answers, with almost no one saying it was Nazism, and the vast majority of people saying it was patriotism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IohPGXOQJuE

As we see in this video, there is clearly no (real) divide in Ukraine, and slogans such as &quot;Ukraine is for Ukrainians&quot; actually UNITE the country.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 6:26 a.m.    

Kyiv can orient to Moscow or pay the price.Be reasonable you ukrainians it will go better for you.The west is not going to come to your rescue.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:40 p.m.    

Contrary to Kuzio, Yanukovych hasn't carried on like a Russian puppet.

Yushchenko was more of a puppet to Soros types.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 1:29 p.m.    

Andreas I would be interested in the thoughts and views of your students to the current system of governance and whether that support the presidential or parliamentary model assuming that the parliament was a functional and representative bobby. Do they understand the functioning of the various system of governance? It is worth noting that PACE has on a number of occasions called for Ukraine to adopt a full parliamentary model. Yanukovych in the past had supported this move but now it looks like a return to the days of authoritative government. A step in the wrong direction. The problem as I see it is that Yushchenko and his supporters wanted a presidential system on.y of they could determine who was president. If your going to advocate a system of governance it must be based on the principles or fairness, equality and representation not who is most likely to win office junior a given system. A parliamentary system of governance provides a greater level of protection, accountability and balance of power

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 6:01 p.m.    

This week, my articles on exactly this issue should come out in in English in &quot;Open Democracy,&quot; and in Ukrainian in &quot;Ukrainskii tyzhden&quot; (as well as perhaps the &quot;Kyiv Post&quot;). What my students exactly think on that - I do not know. I am teaching different topics.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 6:04 a.m.    

By any chance, are you aware if the website you will be working with - Open Democracy - is funded, or connected to George Soros?

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:38 p.m.    

That site has a definite ideological bias which is open to legitimate criticism - which many of its supporters aren't so open minded about.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 2:02 p.m.    

O. Tianybok is a traitor whose designer suits are paid for by Russian oligarchs. His job is to damage Ukraine's image and split the nation between east and west.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 4:02 p.m.    

I am not a big fan of Mr. Tiahnybok but to label him a traitor before people like Yanukovich, Tymoshenko, Pinchuk, Akhmetov and co. is definitely misguided. While he may be ambitious and have views which are a bit more to the right than what most people deem normal he still wants a free Ukraine where Ukrainians can thrive and live happily without the intrusion of external forces of other nations upon them which is more than can be said about the other names mentioned.

Ukraine's negative image is being formed solely by Yanukovich and his FSB controlled government. Mr. Andreas mentioned how no one is covering Svoboda and the radical right in his opinion piece so if that is the case how can they be giving Ukraine a negative image? Well other than him denouncing them along with OUN and UPA.

I am also kind of curious why his ilk does not use eyewitness accounts of Jews who actually served in OUN and UPA during the war? Perhaps that does not fit in with his view of what happened and their eyewitness testimonies carry less weight than an impressionable, frightened 10 year old boy who probably saw NKVD agents doing their job.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:36 p.m.    

You raise trivial points.

Some Jews were in the Nazi movement.

The issue being the ability to separate the isolated instances with the greater contrasting difference.

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2010, 6:19 a.m.    

A burial of a Jewish Ukrainian Galician Army soldier Yu. Litvack.

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/picturedisplay.asp?linkpath=pic\B\U\Burial of Jewish UHA soldier.jpg

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:35 p.m.    

Yeah right!

That's why his org. has a decidedly anti-Russian take.

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 6:05 p.m.    

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5bKEl48c_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_HoKUqUGg&amp;NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGiTs_dMPgM&amp;NR=1

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Anonymous Oct. 25, 2010, 7:27 p.m.    

oops

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/guide/guidenews/detail/87486/

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Anonymous Oct. 26, 2010, 1:33 a.m.    

On &quot;Svoboda&quot; and the Party of Regions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2nqZ-JgNOY

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Anonymous Oct. 26, 2010, 3:48 a.m.    

Andreas, seriously, if it is indeed you - you have got to do better than this.

Some old fart claims that he was standing in line for election money, in 2007, and Tyahnybok was standing behind him, and therefore, the Party of Regions is financing Tyahnybok.

The old fart was at an oblast meeting in Ternopil.

Ukrainian politicians are master liers - especially the old sovok relics, like the old fart, who have no soul, no conscience, no morality, no nothing.

During the last elections, Yatseniuk was supposedly financed by the Party of Regions, by Firtash, and goodness knows who else.

Seriously, Andreas - одна баба сказала, один дядьо сказав just doesn't work.

Not for any type of credible article.

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Anonymous Oct. 26, 2010, 3:32 p.m.    

@elmer - Mr. Umland has written a bunch of articles and books, he is a respected scholar, he is progressive, he is, well, he is infallible.

This is a guy who writes that Medvedev is very similar to Gorbachev. He moderates and administers a Russian nationalist website. w3hat more does one need to say...

By the way if my political opponent was handing out cash I would send all my supporters to take said cash and have them vote for me anyway.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 12:57 a.m.    

The main practioners of the political technology - to slander opponents comes from Yushenko supporters. They use the tactic of gang bangs, abuse and villification. The likes of Tomas Martines, Nestor Richard and others who have successivly destrtoyed publis discussion and English forums on Ukraine. They are the most oiffensive and opponents of free speech. They even tried to distrupt Kyiv Post wth their abuse bit thanksufully they have failed. They destroyed ForUm and Ukraininsko Pravda and their attacks on Taraus Kuyzio were appauling. Now they just swallow in theior own gang wank pretending to be the voice of informed opinion. nWhich they are not never were. all they achived was to bring the publications and themself and Yushenko into disrepute. I do not think Yushchenko supported their views but he was tainted by them.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:34 p.m.    

Kuzio has contrbuted to such manner.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:30 p.m.    

He has his faulty biases as well.

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Anonymous Oct. 26, 2010, 1:40 p.m.    

Elmer, I quite agree with you! This is a well-known trick of political technology - to slander opponents. The lie is told, it is spread by certain people, and many ordinary citizens will be deceived. Method of NKVD.

I only wonder how much some analysts from abroad are paid to remain so naive? Or are they really so naive, to put it mildly?

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:32 p.m.    

Method of some pro-Bandera types too.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 6:23 p.m.    

Well isn't that funny

BECAUSE

&quot;One babushka said, one uncle said&quot; is

EXACTLY

the methodology applied by a certain hypocritical

MR. ELMER!!

in his rantings and ravings

on the Kyiv Post board.

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Anonymous Oct. 26, 2010, 6:22 p.m.    

Nationalism versus Citizenship

Much of the debate in Ukraine is about the perceived notion of &quot;Nationalism&quot; and ethnicity, the us versus them argument.

Russia is not a threat to Ukraine, it is Ukrainians and their political leaders that undermine Ukraine's stability and prosperity. Their political leaders. sadly, have failed to represent their Citizens. Instead they seek to promote division based on ethnicity.

The concept of Nationalism more often then not divides a nation as opposed to uniting its people. One mans notion of National values is another mans vilification. Exactly who is Ukrainian and who is not? And should it matter? No more is this divide greatest then in the Language debate. Nationalism is more often than not used to rally the troops when those that promote it as a political tool have nothing else to unite the nation or offer as an alternative policy to secure support. It is for this reason Ukraine remains divided.

Ethnically Ukraine encompasses many nationalities and ethnic groups. It is the centre of the European continent after all. The various ethnic groups include: Tatars, Hungarians, Polish, Romanians, Swedish, Germans, Austrians, Russian and Hutzals. In many ways it is its diversity that makes Ukraine and should be what unites Ukraine. Nationalism is good for promoting various culture but it is dangerous when used as a political tool.

What Ukraine today needs is to develop a sense of Citizenship and the values that come with a democratic society that engages and seeks to unit all its citizens. I'ts Citizenship that is the most important and from a sense of Citizenship and National pride comes recognition of cultural values which includes all languages.

Democracy is not based on nationalism it is based on universal suffrage, Citizenship and representative governance.

The sooner the political debate in Ukraine can begin to focus on Citizenship the sooner Ukraine can put and end to division and move forward as one nation. one state with a reverence for human rights and democratic values.

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Anonymous Oct. 30, 2010, 6:16 p.m.    

In Ukraine, when people speak Ukrainian they are accused of being &quot;nationalist&quot; - and fascists. Which is exactly the old sovok propaganda line.

What language do they speak in the parliaments of

England

Poland

Germany

France

Sweden

Denmark

We won't mention Rasha, because Rasha is a fascist state and not a good example for anyone, even if they do invent lies such as &quot;managed democracy.&quot;

Somehow, in Ukraine, I haven't seen anyone making claims in Ukraine for Swedish to be an official language of Ukraine.

It's always - Rashan.

Or, maybe Ukraine should just do like the European Union, and everyone can wear headsets for translating all of the Hungarian members of the Ukrainian Rada. -:)))

Yes, you're right about the sense of citizenship.

But citizenship does not exist in a vacuum.

And it certainly won't be developed under Yanukonvikt and his government gangsters, who view government as their own personal plaything, as the master, and not the servant, of the people.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 5:31 a.m.    

All of my family is supporting Svoboda. They are not racist and have many non-Ukrainian members.

Sorry, but Ukrainians simply don't want everything the EU has (and judging by public opinion), most countries in the Eu also don't want to be there). Croatia, Poland, etc were all in similar circumstances - pseudo-patriotic parties (in our case tymoshenko or yuschenko) bringing the country into the eu only to completely liberalize it and begin destroying its traditions. We want to work with the EU and get close to them, but we don't want gay parades, millions of completely foreign immigrants (as Andreas president even said - multiculturalism has FAILED), we want to keep our language, culture, traditions in the face of globalization!

Watch these English langauge videos about Svoboda and you will see the true reason this party is the fastest growing in all of Ukraine for the past 5 years.

Btw, Svoboda has VERY close ties to Ukrainians abroad, all through the diaspora, even in Andreas homeland, Svoboda has an office and works there with Ukrainians. In USA too, Canada, Britain, etc...

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 5:36 a.m.    

Why is nationalism rising and growing - confidently defeating all barriers in its way - throughout the entire world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmGFdcMzVU

Tyahnybok about minorites. Where is the racism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frPBo4CDSVA

Tyahnybok about democracy - nationalists are the truest democrats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCfYwbsBmZc

Liberal Ukrainian politicians dream: a Ukraine with no Ukrainians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IohPGXOQJuE

Tyahnybok regarding prostitution, sexual perversions, drugs, etc:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNw-YTNeZok

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 1:07 p.m.    

Andreas, I'm personally in a huge favour of &quot;No platform for fascists&quot;. I would not even respond to them, because when one does respond to them it may seem that their rubbish is meaningful, but it is not.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 4:36 p.m.    

Well then I guess you must be against Mr. Umland administering and moderating a Russian Nationalist website!?! Or are Russian nationalists not fascists in your eyes and only Ukrainian ones?

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 6:18 p.m.    

Stop it, Umland is an obvious opponent of Russian nationalism. You might as well accuse Obama of being a KKK member, that would have about the same level of logic.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:24 p.m.    

He doesn't seem to be bothered much by Svoboda's anti-Russian activity.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:07 p.m.    

They neither can &quot;stop it&quot; nor understand what Russian Nationalism Yahoo-group is about. They have to use Google search, but curiously enough they actually have to have brains to perform such an activity.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:25 p.m.    

No need to be insulting.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:23 p.m.    

The rubbish comming from two sides are answered at this thread discussion:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/andreas-umland/kyiv’s-next-image-problem

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 2:38 p.m.    

Re: Anton Shekhovtsov -- Of course, I agree, but not all and may be not even a majority of the commentators and supporters of &quot;Svoboda&quot; are fascists. Therefore some exchange may make sense, even if that is not quite an academic sort of discourse here....

PS: On the antisemitism of Tiahnybok (here &quot;Tiagnibok&quot;), see:

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2004/cis.htm

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2005/ukraine.htm

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 4:34 p.m.    

Nice, Mr. Andreas is talking down to non-academics now.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:14 p.m.    

And here's the video of that Tyahnybok's speech -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnz6s4LKQwY

He was campaigning for Yushchenko then.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:28 p.m.    

That basic premise holds true of among the groupings of patriotic Russian and pro-Russian Ukrainian elements.

This point gets downplayed when compared to the notion that not everyone in Svoboda is an extreme crackpot.

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Anonymous Oct. 27, 2010, 10:20 p.m.    

I can't believe some of these comments against Umland.

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Anonymous Oct. 28, 2010, 12:57 p.m.    

recommends this important study by Ivan Katchanovski: Terrorists or National Heroes? Politics of the OUN and the UPA in Ukraine (2010 CPSA Conference) -- http://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2010/Katchanovski.pdf

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Anonymous Oct. 28, 2010, 3:55 p.m.    

There has been enough study elsewhere to successfully debunk the pro-UPA/OUN drivel making the rounds.

Written decades ago, Gerald Reitlinger's The House Built on Sand, is a detailed overview of this and other issues.

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Anonymous Oct. 30, 2010, 6:19 p.m.    

Andreas, if you're still monitoring -

here's a link to the latest Open Access - Відкритий Доступ - program.

Andrew Ilienko from Svoboda appears on the program.

Along with Zatulin from Rasha.

The title of the program is

Ukraine is not Russia - life after elections (or literally, how to live after the elections)

http://dostup.kanalukraina.tv/ua/video/7221_ukraina___ne_rossiya_kak_zhit__posle_vyborov/

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Anonymous Nov. 8, 2010, 8 a.m.    

The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. Thomas Jefferson

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Ukrainian.Nationalist Aug. 29, 2012, 7:41 p.m.    

Tyahnybok is a weak-minded fool.

I support Israel, and I'm a Ukrainian Nationalist. I don't care if that makes me a "Zionist servant", because Ukrainian nationalists were associated with the Jewish nationalist movement.

He supports the "Palestinians" (fake ethnic group) because he is so angry at Israel because they don't recognize the Holodomor. Well, Mr. Tyahnybok, in case you've failed to notice, the entire world with the exception of a few countries, does not recognize the Holodomor.

No Arab nation, including "Palestine", recognizes the soviet butchery-genocide known as the Holodomor.

Israel organized medical treatment there for Ukrainian children, who were victims of the Holodomor, thanks to efforts from Ukraine's modern hero, Mr. Moysey Fishbein.

And why is VO "Svoboda" not supporting America and the West? They are anti-Russia and the solution to the genocidal, crazed moskali.

So in short, if you are a Ukrainian nationalist like myself, who is pro-west, which should only make sense, please vote for the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists.

Dyakuyu i dobre den'.

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