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Ukrainian diaspora should love Ukraine, not politics

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Aug. 25, 2011, 10:09 p.m. | Op-ed — by Vyacheslav Pikhovshek

Viacheslav Pikhovshek

Interests of nation should come ahead of partisan politics. The Ukrainian diaspora in the United States and Canada has always positioned itself separately from other Ukrainians living abroad. In fact, the two million diaspora in Russia should have the same influence and opportunities as the diaspora in North America.

But the U.S. and Canadian diaspora tries to position itself as the collective moral authority of Ukrainians abroad.

Among the North American diaspora are a number of successful people of whom we are proud: Nadia Diuk, vice president of the National Endowment for Democracy; Adrian Karatnycky, a fellow at the Atlantic Council and former director of Freedom House; Chrystia Freeland, a former U.S. editor of the Financial Times and now a senior figure at Thomson Reuters; Natalie Jaresko, co-founder of the Horizon Capital investment bank. The list goes on.

But the actions of the North American diaspora as a whole are sometimes tinged with party politics.

On June 18, the World Congress of Ukrainians came out in defense of former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, who is on trial for alleged abuse of office in concluding a gas deal with Russia in January 2009. On Aug. 10, a demonstration in support of Tymoshenko took place in Chicago and on Aug. 13 in New York. There was also a demonstration in Toronto.

This is all defined along party lines. Let’s not forget that on Sept. 23 last year, Askold Lozynskyj, former head of the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America, organized a picket for the arrival of President Viktor Yanukovych at the UN General Assembly.

Political activists of this kind lack patience and consistency.

They lack the patience to wait for events to take their course and only then to draw conclusions. In September 2010, Lozynskyj accused Yanukovych of betraying Ukraine’s national interests to Russia. A year has since past, and that theme has disappeared completely, as the president moves Ukraine toward the European Union, despite complaints from Moscow.

He also accused Foreign Minister Kostyantyn Gryshchenko of not supporting the Ukrainian library in Moscow. But Gryshchenko saved the library, which had been closed under former President Viktor Yushchenko.

Political activists of this kind lack patience and consistency.

Of course, members of the diaspora have the right to support Tymoshenko.

But it’s not they who pay natural gas bills according to the prices agreed in the contract that she agreed with Russia in 2009. It’s not they who suffered due to the mysterious swine-flu epidemic she announced in 2009 when people here and perhaps even relatives abroad, forked out their last few kopecks to buy drugs in sheer panic.

What is more, why didn’t these representatives of the diaspora picket Ukrainian institutions in New York, Chicago and Toronto in 2005, when leading Party of Regions member Borys Kolesnikov was arrested? When Yushchenko fired 18,000 government officials? Why was Yushchenko considered “one of them”?

In the same way that Ukraine needs a new form of cooperation with the diaspora, so the diaspora should look to cooperate with Ukraine.

Political analyst Kostyantyn Bondarenko was correct when he wrote that an example to follow would be the Israeli diaspora. “Jews who live in the U.S. would never allow the State Department to take any steps in the Middle East that were not friendly toward Israel.

They consider it their duty to improve the image of their historical homeland in the U.S., regardless of what passport they carry in their pocket,” he wrote.

The diaspora expects help from Ukraine, and Ukraine therefore has the right to demand help from the diaspora. What sort of help?

Perhaps Askold Lozynskyj could organize a picket outside the White House in Washington, D.C. demanding the cancelation of visas for Ukrainians? Or he could pressure the European Union to hand Ukraine a clear perspective of future membership, or to increase technical assistance to Ukraine? Or, finally, lobby for reciprocal social support, such as pensions, for Ukrainians who have worked in the U.S.?

If they really wanted this, then they probably would have organized it a long time ago.

Viacheslav Pikhovshek is a former news editor at 1+1 channel and a former speechwriter for ex-President Leonid Kuchma.
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Anonymous Aug. 25, 2011, 10:27 p.m.    

...Satirical stupidity! What a comedian! The author should be working for Yanukovych!

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Anonymous Aug. 25, 2011, 11:22 p.m.    

That's exactly what he is doing.

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Anonymous Aug. 25, 2011, 11:40 p.m.    

Looks like you got the joke.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 3:18 a.m.    

Too bad the author didn't.

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Anonymous Aug. 25, 2011, 10:37 p.m.    

&quot;The diaspora expects help from Ukraine&quot;?

Really? Remittances flow in one direction; donations likewise. What help is Ukraine proposing? I'm all ears.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 2 a.m.    

I've been mulling this article over for half-a-day and haven't been able to come up with any concrete example of the &quot;help&quot; Ukraine is offering the diaspora that therefore gives Ukraine &quot;the right to demand help from the diaspora.&quot;

Perhaps Viacheslav might elaborate, because every figure I've seen points to a hemorrhage of money from (both new and established) diaspora communities to Ukraine; nothing flowing in the opposite direction.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 5:38 a.m.    

The Pope can speak Ukrainian ; Kirill can't!!!!

Ukraine gets papal Blessing on 20th

Speaks for itself. See &amp; hear for yourself!

http://www.ua-reporter.com/novosti/106925

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 5:49 a.m.    

Pig-hovchick laments above that: &quot;the two million (Ukr)diaspora in Russia should have the same influence and opportunities as the (Ukr)diaspora in North America&quot; BUT he neglects to mention that the Diaspora in mother Fnn Russia is undergoing constant ethnocide, Russification and outright genocide. Not ONE Ukrainian school is allowed in mother Fnn Russia for its Ukr Diaspora! The Canadian and American Ukr Diasporas are thus the only ones ( a little help from Australia, Germany, Brazil,etc has to be acknowledged) capable and willing to continue the fight for freedom and survival of ALL Ukrainians!!! This isn't &quot;politics&quot;...its the ongoing struggle for dignity, justice and survival as a people!

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 5:53 a.m.    

Even Ukrainian Libraries and Cultural and dancing performing groups are subject to harassment,intimidation and brutality! in mother Fn Russia!

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 6 a.m.    

The Diaspora actually DOES love Ukraine, which is why it regards the current occupation regime with contempt. The diaspora (particularly those in the US and canada) live in free societies and express their views of the Ukrainian government based on the POLICIES that government pursues, particularly those in the cultural sphere. The presence of Ukrainophobes like Tabachnyk and Azarov in this regime is unacceptable, and so long as they remain, the diaspora (along with a sizeable percentage of Ukrainian citizenry) will oppose it.... Furthermore the north american diaspora requires no &quot;help&quot; from the Ukrainian government thank you very much. To suggest that it does shows how utterly incredible (as in lacking credibility) Mr Pikhovshek is. Maybe when the Ukrainian government starts dispossesing its russian inhabitants and herding them into large ghettos with checkpoints at every access point, (the way Israel handles its palestinian population) you can start asking the diaspora for political support ala the AIPAC model. But alas it seems to be working in the opposite direction.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 6:54 a.m.    

Canada is a Parliamentary democracy. Why have the Canadian diaspora not advocated a parliamentary system for Ukraine. If it's good enough for Canada why not Ukraine?

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 7:02 a.m.    

Maybe they prefer the Presidential system and are living in Canada under sufferance, preferring and wishing they living in the USA. The fact is they are only supporting of the democracy when the candidate of their choosing is elected.

In 2004 tey supported Yushchenko. The fact is Yushchenko failed Ukraine, he has set back Ukraine's democratic development decades if bot generations. The presidntial system has been the mmain cause of diunitity and destabelisation. Its time to get rid of it.

The US and Canadian diaspora represent at best 5% of Ukrainians.

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 4:03 a.m.    

Your not fooling anyone vanderkraats agreeing with yourself is proof of the bankruptcy of your views.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 2:57 p.m.    

The simple fact is that over 80% of Ukrainians (meaning those who live and vote in Ukraine) prefer a strong presidential system. So you're wasting everybodies time with your parliamentary monomania.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 3:42 p.m.    

Move to Russia or the USA if you do not want Ukraine to be a demecratic state. Or bend over and let the President rule by decree.

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 5:08 a.m.    

A parliamentary system is no more democratic than a presidential one idiot.

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 6:52 a.m.    

It most certainly is. A presidential system by its design is not democratic., There are by far more failed presidential states then failed parliamentary democracies.

This article is about the future of Ukraine and the role played by the diaspora. Most fo who live under a parliamentary rule not presidential rule. Give me Canada any day before the USA.

Take a poll and see hwo many would supporrt Ukraine adopting a democratic parliamentary system as opposed to a Presidential autocracy.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 3:46 p.m.    

They wanted a strong president because Yushchenko was disliked. but if you ask them would they prefer to have a European democracy or a US/Soviet Style government I think they would opt for a European Parliamentary system. Look at Estonia. Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. All relatively successful parliamentary democracies. As is Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britian and most of Europe. If Ukraine want to be apart of Europe then they should adopt European vlaues and European models of governance. Failing that Europe should so sorry, no thanks, Were are a democratic state.

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 5:16 a.m.    

Umm no, they want a presidential system because it provides a clear point of accountability. If not for the poison pill of parliamentarism that was injected by Kuchma during the Orange revolution we might actually have had bandits going to jail instead of entering into &quot;grand coalitions&quot; with them.

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 6:44 a.m.    

No it does not. A presidential system just concentrate power in the hands one individual. Under a parliamentary system the head of government is held accountable on a daily basis. A president is accountable to know one.

The parliamentary system is what makes Candida a successful democracy.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 11:05 p.m.    

Stop replying to your own posts - it is further proof that you have no credibility. Let others show you how your way of thinking is not needed in UKRAINE TODAY, that is of course if they are not ignoring you outright.

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 2 a.m.    

I think he/she is right Ukraine would be better off without a presidential system. Its the best way to put an end to autocratic rule and to allow democracy to develop. As was pointed out Poland and the Baltic states all adopted a parliamentary system and are much better off than Ukraine. \

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 6:40 a.m.    

I agree, as do a number of many members of our Ukrainian community. A parliamentary system would be best for Ukraine. It is the strength of the Canadian, Australian and British system. Just take a look at Estonia or Latvia and a host of other successful neighboring states. All have a parliamentary system. Yanukovych should be striped of power.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 11:40 a.m.    

You only need to look at the list of despot countries and all are governed by a presidential system. Name one presidential democracy? There is not one. teh USA and Russia can not be considered to be democracies. A presidential system is far from democratic. It costs 100's of millions of dollars to contest a presidential campaign. With that much at stack of course you going to get corruption and distortion in the outcome. Ukraine's head of state should be appointed by a constitutional majority of Ukraine's parliament and hold very limited power

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 7:29 a.m.    

The article is about the diaspora and its attitude towards the current regime, not about the constitutional structure of Ukrainian government.... Seriously, the article could be about hamsters and you'd find a way to foist your bizarre personal obsession on us.... its a bore!

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 6:35 a.m.    

Seriously the problem is with the office not so much the individual. Name only President who has provided good governance, If you have to choose which is best on the whole there are far more successful parliamentary governments then there are Presidential governments. Most of the despot nations of the world are all Presidential systems. Democracy can only be found in a parliamentary system. presidential but its design is Autocracy.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 6:52 a.m.    

I agree. the U.S. and Canadian diaspora are very selective in their assessment. Why did they not protest when Yushchenko denied Ukraine its Democratic and Constitutional rights when he illegally and unconstitutionally dissmissed Ukraine's democratically elected parliament causing seven months of political and civil unrest. With Yushchenko directly interfering with the operation and independence of Ukraine's constitutional Court. Yushchenko's actions undermined public confidence in the democratic process and destabilised Ukraine's government and economy. The diaspora stat back along with other so called democratic advocates and said nothing.

Yes the events that are unfolding in Ukraine today are appalling and should be addressed. The criticism of Yanukovych are valid but so were the criticism of Yushchenko valid back in 2007.

Democracy is not about selective partisan politics. It is about goving voice and represenatioon equally to all the citizens of Ukraine. The diaspora by being bias an partisan do themsleves and Ukraine a disservice. They often forsake the principles of democracy for a political outcome of thier choosing. The US and Canadiuan diaspora have no real soultions and no policy, other then the polciy of divisoin.

If they wwere really concerned about Ukraine that would be advocating for constitutional refrom and the removal of power from the Office of the president. They would support the recommendatioons of the European Community, as outlined in the reports submitted by PACE and the Venice Commission, and adopt a full democratoc parliamentary system of government nased on European values and Europen models of government.

Canada is a Parliamentary democracyWhy have the Canadian diaspora not advoiated a parliamnatry system for Ukraine. If it's good enoughb for Canada why not Ukraine?

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 3:52 p.m.    

The Canadian diaspora think they are still fighting the cold war. They represent less then 5% of Ukraine. Most abandoned Ukraine and settled in Canada because they could not get a Green Card. They most certainly do not care or support a democratic Ukriane. They want a stong undemocratic president as long as he/she is of their choosing. In their minds the people of Ukraine are incapable of electing their representatives. The fact is in the last 5 elections there has been very little change in voter sentiment. 51 or 52% does not a leader make.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 3 p.m.    

Yuschenko's dismissal of parliament was entirely constitutional, and no amount of your spam will make it otherwise.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 3:39 p.m.    

BS he had not authority to dismiss Ukraine's Parliament. Your denial will not change an obvious fact. A fact that even the Venice commission and world jurist agree. Yushchenko's actions were unconstitutional. There was no grounds or authority to dismiss the parliament. None. he even went as far as illegally interfering with Ukraine's constitutional court so as to prevent the Court from disallowing his actions. The Court to this day never ruled on the matter before it.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 10:58 p.m.    

If this is a shared sentiment by UKRAINE TODAY, it is only the case in those parts chronically affected by kremlinitis. Give up your campaign, sir. Your profile is growing and it does not belong in UKRAINE TODAY.

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 6:47 a.m.    

PACE and the Venice Commission both have advocated that Ukraine adopt a full parliamentary system of government. So this is not the idea of one individual. It has a lot of support and is worth pursuing.

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 6:59 a.m.    

No support from Ukrainians.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 4:50 p.m.    

Well, another bass ackwards sovok mafia putz shows up to recycle a speech that was given to tourist groups back in sovok days.

The Ukrainian diaspora does indeed love Ukraine - it's Ukrainian sovok mafia politics that they hate.

Translation of Mr. Pikhovshek's article:

1) In Ukraine we have a sewer of a governemntal system, a sovok mafia government, infested by sovoks

2) don't criticize us - be &quot;patient&quot; with us, let us steal and rob and pillage Ukraine to our heart's content

3) do everything you can to get the West to give the sovok mafia money - you should be &quot;friendly&quot; to the sovok mafia

4) the part about the diaspora expecting help from Ukraine - well, I just sort of threw that out there, but I really didn't expect anyone to believe it; it's just something that goes with sovok propaganda - being &quot;friendly&quot;

5) members of the diaspora don't have the right to support Tymoshenko; as a matter of fact, not even Tymoshenko has the right to support Tymoshenko

6) noone has the right to support any opposition to the sovok mafia in Ukraine - it's not &quot;patient&quot; and it's not &quot;friendly&quot;

7) we are not proud of, and don't give a rat's ass about successful Ukrainians in the diaspora - Akhmetov just bought a $100 million apartment in Londongrad; Pinchuk has an $80 million mansion in Londongrad right next to the former mayor of Maskva, Luzhkov; Yanukonvikt has a $350,000 gem-encrusted toilet and a custom beehive; Kolesnikov has tons of money - that's what we care about. As a matter of fact, we like to think that our wealthy sovok mafia are clones of Beellll Hates (Bill Gates) -

[NOTE: For some reason, when translating from Ukrainian to English, the sovoks turn &quot;h&quot; into &quot;g&quot; - thus, Hanna in Ukrainian becomes Ganna in English, as in Ganna Goebbels German

The opposite is true when going from English to Ukrainian - thus Bill Gates becomes Beeelll Hates, for some reason.

8) Kuchma called all Ukrainians who seek employment outside of Ukraine &quot;prostitutes&quot; - they were supposed to stick around and watch Kuchma rob and pillage Ukraine for himself and for Pinchuk and Akhmetov

I wrote speeches for Kuchma - I am a real prostitute

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 7:30 p.m.    

Excellent, well said.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 10:51 p.m.    

Excellent and very necessary translation!  This representative of the sovok kremlinite komsomoligarchy uses all the &quot;d&quot; words (deception, diversion, deceit, division, detcetera) with the supernatural skill of a fifth column president's speechwriter ... oh wait, he was a fifth column president's speechwriter.  As a member of the Ukrainian diaspora, born and raised far beyond the borders of my beloved Ukraine, I wish to inform Mr. Pikhovshek that if it were not for kremlinitis - a terrible, killer disease that has been threatening Ukraine for decades - I may have been born in Ukraine instead, if my parents, as well as their families, friends, associates, colleagues and millions of contemporaries were not forced to flee their homeland in fear of their lives.  Stalin saw to that, but thank God he was not able to complete his Final Solution.

Ukraine is alive today, thanks to the brave souls who believe in and fight for Ukraine's freedom on her soil, as well as her supporters who have one way or another found themselves beyond her borders.

For Mr. Pikhovshek and others in Ukraine that refuse to admit that they have kremlinitis and do not wish to find a cure, I have three words - chemodan, vokzal, Mosvka (suitcase, trainstation, Moscow).  I will welcome you to the diaspora.  Perhaps then you and I can compare notes as to which members of the diaspora are helping or harming Ukraine.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 11:33 a.m.    

Ukraine is in its current situation today because of Yushchenko.. Yushchenko opposed Ukraine becoming a democratic state.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 6:13 p.m.    

Бог помагає Українії !

Can't see the forrest for the trees...

The fight isn't Yulia its POLITICAL PRISONERS

Yulia is just a pretty face with an iconic kossa (brads) good for photos as poster boy.

The fight isn't the Nazis and WW2 the fight is fascism and the USSR was fascism.

Ukraine is free so why fly a red revolutionary schemata?

THEY find presser points to revert OUR attention from THEIR maneuvers.

The diaspora wasn't fighting socialism as it supports monasticism, it's fighting Russian chauvinism.

PRESENTATION IS EVERYTHING !

Ukrainians are not Russians, Ukraine is a nation, Ukrainian is between brethren.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 6:22 p.m.    

don't forget Ukraine is the diaspora's only agenda.

complain about US and Canada but where did

Ukraine's embassies in the US and Canada come from?

The USSR? The Russian Federation? Who donated them?

North American Ukrainian Diaspora is Ukraine's

only friend without a personal agenda except FREEDOM.

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 6:01 a.m.    

PRESENTATION IS EVERYTHING !

Ukrainians are post-Soviets too, Ukraine is a fake entity, Ukrainian is between village idiots.

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Anonymous Aug. 26, 2011, 7:22 p.m.    

To bolster his critique of the Ukrainian diaspora, Pikhovshek quotes political analyst Kostyantyn Bondarenko, who wrote that &quot;[Jews]consider it their duty to improve the image of their historical homeland in the U.S.&quot; In this respect, the Jewish and Ukrainian diasporas do not differ. It is only because the regime of President Yanukovych has done so much to hurt Ukraine's image and national interests that the diaspora has turned against it. The Jewish diaspora may disagree with Israeli policies but no Israeli political leader would deny that the Holocaust was an act of genocide against the Jewish people, yet Ukraine's president and education minister -- to appease their northern neighbors -- have the chutzpah to deny the the Holodomor was an act genocide against the Ukrainian people.

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 1:30 a.m.    

Why didn’t representatives of the diaspora picket Ukrainian institutions in New York, Chicago and Toronto in 2005, when leading Party of Regions member Borys Kolesnikov was arrested?

Are you crazy? Ask anyone in Donetsk about this guy and what he was up to in the early nineties. They will tell you about the shootings and buried bodies...

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 2:45 a.m.    

Of course the 2 million Ukrainians in Russia do not have any say . How could they? Russians have closed their clubs and libraries where they were teaching Ukrainian history and how many Russians have learned Ukrainian? But they should if the present Mafia government in Ukraine were true patriots. After all if people in Ukraine can get by speaking only Russian then why cannot 2 million Ukrainians get by speaking only Ukrainian in Russia? You are not talking to a bunch of idiots, mister. We know very well the repression against Ukrainians in Russia. And that is why the diaspora will continue in Ukrainian politics so that the Mafia gang presently in power will be thrown out as Yuschenko is thrown out and disgraced. Slava Ukraini!

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 7:36 a.m.    

The Pope can speak Ukrainian ; Kirill can't!!!!

Ukraine gets papal Blessing on 20th

Speaks for itself. See &amp; hear for yourself!

http://www.ua-reporter.com/novosti/106925

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 2:57 a.m.    

The Ukrainian diaspora was taken in by Yuschenko just as Ukrainians in Ukraine were. But it is not true that they upheld him. Rather they tried to talk to him and politely show him the folly of his stbborness and stupidity. By the time he was into his last quarter they had given up on him with the exception of a few hangers-on. But then these same people even hung on to Kuchmna so we are dealing with careerists or opportunists here. But they were in the minority. And one of them even lives in Kyiv and is the head of one of the Ukrainian-Canadian organiations. Try talking to him is like talking to Yuschenko - hopeless.

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 6:29 a.m.    

They should have abondoned him back in 2006 when he refused to support the formation of an Orange Governing coalition. They should also be calling for constitutional refrom and the adoption of a full parliamentary model of governance in line with European values and European standards

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Anonymous Aug. 27, 2011, 8:10 p.m.    

Sorry Pikhovshek... you and your thug boss don't get to muzzle the diaspora. Neither did your sovok predecessors. We brought them down, and we'll bring you down too. cheers!

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 8:14 p.m.    

Mr. Soros is that you?

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Anonymous Aug. 28, 2011, 10:42 a.m.    

What greater love is ther than to support freedom and democracy in Ukraine than through politics? Pikhovshek, the diaspora does not support tyranny, dictatorship,false prosecution and using the police or army against the people.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, midnight    

Maybe the Ukrainophobes in the current administraton should show more love for Ukraine and its people, their history, language and culture. And certainly the Oligarchs who grabbed all of the former soviet properties in Ukraine should show a little more love for the Ukrainian workers, especially those who work in dangerous occupations like Ukraine's mines. These robber barrons rake in all of the profits from the zavods for themselves and spend almost nothing on making working conditions safe for the workers neither do they pay them a fair wage, instead ripping off the workers and piling up their loot in Swiss bank accounts. They think that they are accountable to no one, but they are wrong, there is a God in heaven and they will be held accountable whether they believe it or not.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 7:14 a.m.    

People from the Ukrainian Diaspora love their large salaries which they are paid for all that politics. Why don't they go to the Ukrainian villages to teach Ukrainian language? No, they prefer to get good payments at the international non-profits, think tanks and media.

Yes, pensions is a good idea. So many Ukrainian women have worked in Diaspora households illegally. Without any pensions...

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 12:40 p.m.    

Yes we the Ukrainian Diaspora do love our large salaries!!! And rightly so...we work hard and have the real rewards that come with it.

Shame that Ukrainians in Ukraine do not have the same! Sadly Ukraine will never experience it with yanukonvikt at the realm, and especially if kremlin saddles Ukraine with another russian yoke!!!

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 8:10 p.m.    

And what do you have to offer?

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 10:19 p.m.    

You have had a decent chance following the Orange revolution, but Ukraine seems have a lot of masochists that can't seem to handle freedom and democracy. The proof of this is when you look at the ex-convict mafia idiot you have voted into power!!!

Well done! You deserve everything you get for this!

...And yet again the Ukrainian Diaspora shakes its head is disbelief!

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 8:40 a.m.    

Yes, Diaspora inconsistent, over politicized and destructive. Must understand how to support Ukrainians worldwide and not undermine them.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 12:34 p.m.    

'Diaspora inconsistent'...Really?

On the contrary, Ukrainian diaspora is totally consistent!!!

We want freedom and democracy for Ukraine.

Diaspora know how to support Ukrainians, but we do not support bad people. Why do we want to support idiots like yanukonvikt and PoR. Supporting Ukrainians is one thing but when the leadership go against freedom, democracy, true Ukrainian history (holodomor, Bandera etc), culture and language, and to top this sell Ukraine to the kremlin, then there is something really rotten in Ukraine.

Tell me who really love Ukraine? Is it the rotten Leadership and their thugs, or is it the Ukrainian Diaspora?

yanukonvikt already had egg on his face, and now he is setting himself and Ukraine up for the full custard flan. Why do we want this?

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 7:58 p.m.    

You see, you're doing it again, labelling people, politisizing and polarizing. Who ever told you Ukraine is being sold to the Kremlin. To the contrary, for the first time in recent years there is someone in power not playing to the tune of 'East vs. West'.

Has the Diaspora not noticed how many Western companies are now securing exclusive licenses to extract Black Sea natural gas? Have they missed the 2/3 decrease in Russian natural gas imports?

Even if the Diaspora wants 'freedom and democracy for Ukraine' they have little or no understanding of what freedom actually means.

No offense but you do sound somewhat radicalised and over-caffenated.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 10:59 p.m.    

Don't be an imbecile.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 8:07 p.m.    

How right you are

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Anonymous Aug. 31, 2011, 6:38 a.m.    

We HAVE noticed the sharp decline in direct foregn investment in Ukraine. We've noticed the prichvatization of public assets like Mezhria. We've noticed the erosion in media freedom. We've noticed the closing of the SBU erchives, the closing of Ukrainian schools. Weve noticed the denail of the Holodomor, which is the primarily reason why the diaspora even exists... oh yes we've noticed plenty. As for understanding what freedom actually means.. well what can I say except we live it everyday, and that is why we hold the opinions we do.

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Anonymous Aug. 31, 2011, 11:57 p.m.    

that is a superb response

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 9:23 a.m.    

It's about time that somebody called out the North American diaspora for its flaky behavior toward Ukraine. Next thing you know they'll be openly supporting Putin.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 11:24 a.m.    

This is the same group that supported Yushchenko and previously opposed Tymoshenko. There is no doubt that they are politically biased. If they want to picket anyone it should be Yushchenko after all it was Yushchenko who destabilised Ukraine's government and handed the presidency to Yanukovych. Yushchenko was the cause for the collapse of the Orange revolution.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 12:04 p.m.    

The diaspora is not the problem they have always loved Ukraine. The problem is the idiots who live in Ukraine, and the surrounding aggressive imbecile countries - imparticular russia.

When a country votes into power the imbecile proffffeeeeessssor yanukonvikt, then you don't blame it on the diaspora, and you deserve evertything you get. He is killing the history, culture and language of Ukraine, and will eventually sell Ukraine to the kremlin. The sooner he got rid of the arse the better!!!

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 12:12 p.m.    

You are correct. Yanukonvikt with the aid of the communist maggots, is turning Ukrainian against Ukrainian, and Ukrainian against the Ukrainian diaspora. As always Ukrainian fall for it.

Remember Ukrainian diaspora love Ukraine.

As soon as the cancer of Ukraine - aka yanukonvikt - is removed from power and placed in prison where a thug like him belongs, the sooner Ukraine can get on the right path to freedom and democracy.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 8:01 p.m.    

Diaspora does not love Ukraine. They use Ukraine to their own ends, when it suits them. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 10:07 p.m.    

You total deluded soviet maggot! This is exactly what you are good at - twisting truths and history.

Everything the diaspora does is to put Ukraine on right path to democracy and freedom. Diaspora loves Ukraine. Remember Diaspora are Ukrainians living abroad, so exactly why do they want anything other than good for Ukraine? It would not make sense!!!

What do the soviet retard cases, mafia and russkies want?...except to do is saddle Ukraine with a russian yoke. They have twisted truths and history, and have had Ukrainians at each others throats for centuries. They divide and conquer, and use Ukraine to their own ends (even when it doesn't suit them!!!).

To the 'russkie diaspora' living on Ukrainian lands, the Ukrainians and Ukraine seem to be joke.

This article seems to have manifested itself because the diaspora realize that profffeeesssor yanukonvikt is a rotten egg and have snubbed him for everything that he represents...He mocks the Ukrainian Language, denies Ukraine's history (Holodomor, Bandera etc), and threatens Ukrainian democracy and sovereignty (by putting opposition in prison, allowing the russkie boat flotilla to be based off Ukrainian lands, and for even contemplating joining the Customs Union).

There is a quote from G Orwell...

'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others'

...The yanukonvikt and deluded 'russian diaspora' pigs seem to sell out Ukraine, at the expense of Ukrainians, at every opportunity ... just so that they can line their own pockets.

Profffeeesssor ynaukonvikt is the cancer of Ukrainian culture, language, history, and democratic freedom.

It's time to cut out the cancer and walk tall like an Egyptian, i.e. do the revolution properly by getting rid of the old-dumb-ass profffeeessssor yanukonvikt and the lousy corrupt russian mafia puppet of a government. It's time again to put egg on yanukonvikt's face (no yoke intended)!!!

Its time for Ukrainians to look after themselves, rather than please the Donetsk clans and kremlin oligarchs.

So tell me:

W H O L O V E S Y O U B A B Y ?

...Not Kojak, and definitely not the 'russian diaspora' living in Ukraine!!!

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Other famous Quotes:

Robin Hood, Nottingham - &quot;Steal from the rich to give to the poor&quot;

Oleksa Dovbush, Pechenizhyn Kolomyia - &quot;Steal from the rich to give to the poor&quot;

Proffffeesssor Yanukonvikt, Donetsk Oblast - &quot;Steal from Ukrainian Nation to give to the PoR&quot;

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Anonymous Aug. 30, 2011, 9:40 a.m.    

You sound like you are possessed :)

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Anonymous Aug. 31, 2011, 11:55 p.m.    

Not possessed mate. Just passionate!!!

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Anonymous Sept. 1, 2011, 2:39 p.m.    

You are a either a fool, a liar, or both. The Diaspora loves Ukraine far more than the sovoks currently running it. Those leeches are the ones &quot;using Ukraine to their own ends&quot;. There isn't a single oligarch amongst the diaspora, and the diaspora doesn't get a single kopeck for their efforts on Ukraine's behalf.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 4:35 p.m.    

Still waiting for Viacheslav to explain the third paragraph from the bottom. Please, point to an instance where Ukraine has offered the diaspora anything in the way of &quot;help&quot; that gives Ukraine &quot;the right to demand help from the diaspora.&quot;

I can't think of anything at all -- certainly nothing anywhere close to approaching the value of remittances the diaspora has poured back into the Ukrainian economy since the first waves of emigration in the late 19th century.

Of course, neither the diaspora nor Ukrainian political figures are short of lectures to offer each other; but the fact remains that in real terms (which boils down to money in people's pockets), &quot;help&quot; flows lopsidedly from one direction: from the diaspora to Ukraine.

It seems a little like the same old game: &quot;give us your blanket support (material and political) in exchange for a vague promise of something sometime in the future.&quot; And the diaspora will continue to send help to friends and family; continue to relieve the Ukrainian government of some of the pressure it would feel if it weren't for grandmothers working in Italy, Portugal and Greece as charwomen to help feed their unemployed sons' families back in Ukraine. It's understandable that Pikhovshek and others might feel that the diaspora would be more useful as a pliant arm of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry -- but I think it is fair to say that the cynical way in which Ukrainian political figures have enriched themselves at the expense of their people means that it would be colossally stupid for the diaspora to fall back on nostalgia and sentiment in any dealings with the Ukrainian state.

As for the Jewish diaspora angle -- it's nonsense. Anyone who follows the internal dialogue of Israel even a little will know that there is an ongoing, corrosive war between the diaspora (and in particular, American Jewry) and the Jewish citizens of Israel that mirrors in certain measure the Ukrainian community's experience. The organized American Jewish community tends to exhibit more of the unrelenting naive ideological view of early 20th century romantic nationalism; while Israeli Jews tend to be more pragmatic and less easily blinded by slogans -- particularly those wielded by people who manage to squeeze a paycheck out of them.

But Viacheslav -- if you wouldn't mind -- offer an example of the quid pro quo you seem to feel exists between ненька Україна and her scattered children.

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Anonymous Aug. 29, 2011, 8:04 p.m.    

Your question is best posed to Kateryna (Chumachenko) Yuschenko. How much state finance channeled through her Ukraine 3000.

If she does not personify diaspora who does.

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Anonymous Aug. 31, 2011, 6:21 a.m.    

The thousands of Ukrainians who kept the Ukrainian language and culture (not to mention their impoverished relations back in Ukraina) alive throughout the murderous soviet atrocity.

As for Kateryna Yuschenko's Ukraine 3000 organization, the financial statements can be found here:

http://www.ukraine3000.org.ua/eng/statements/8075.html

Kindly explain how supporting Ukrainian cultural development within Ukraine, and supporting the dissemination of its culture abroad benefits the diaspora.

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Anonymous Aug. 30, 2011, 7:19 p.m.    

Dear part time patriots, as you sit in North America and beat your chests on how you are right about Ukrainian politics ask your self - how am I helping my beloved Ukraine ? Who has more moral right to offer their opinion - you or someone who lives and suffers in Ukraine ? Patriots of convenience - if you love Ukraine, if you really want to make a difference, if you are willing to take a life change - MOVE TO UKRAINE. Only a handfull of &quot;ukes&quot; moved to Ukraine for non-materialistic reasons you could be one if YOU SO CHOOSE ! Yes you are entitled to your opinion but it does not carry the weight of a person living, working and fighting for a free democratic Ukraine.

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Anonymous Aug. 31, 2011, 3:52 p.m.    

People in the free world are free to do as they please. If they feel more comfortable and safe to support Ukraine from outside of Ukraine then that is their choice. Often the diaspora has more influence on outside governments policies concerning Ukraine than the opposition from within. The diaspora is a key political asset to promote freedom and democracy.

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Anonymous Sept. 1, 2011, 8:53 p.m.    

Diaspora does not live in Ukraine, does not pay taxes in Ukraine. They paid money to get their education. They did not get free education from the Soviets. They do not understand our life and our holidays.

Their relatives suffered from Russians, but our relatives were killed by Nazi. Our relatives were educated in Moscow and not theirs. We have different background.

They were raised to visit church where they were brainwashed and we were taught that &quot;Religion is the poison&quot;. And it IS the poison which does not allow a person to think independently.

They are not able to think independently.

They are believers. This is like those terrorists from Afghanistan, but well-educated and grew up in the clean house and not in the street.

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Anonymous Sept. 5, 2011, 12:31 a.m.    

Friend, you haven't been to a church in the diaspora ever, which is clear by your description. There is about as much blind religious fervor in a typical Ukrainian diaspora church as there was apolitical justice in the Soviet Union.

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Anonymous Sept. 1, 2011, 8:57 p.m.    

&quot;Murderous Soviet atrocities&quot; took place so long ago that nobody in real Ukraine cares about it. Ukrainian schools turned into propaganda machines, they do not teach Math anymore, but they teach only stories about Holodomor.

Who will hire a guy who knows nothing but only stories about Holodomor? Ukrainian kids are being turned into slaves.

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Anonymous Sept. 8, 2011, 10:08 p.m.    

This is by far the stupidest article I have ever read...and I've read A LOT! Did he just say that the swine flu didn't exist? Cause it existed everywhere else in the world apart from Ukraine? Unless alcohol consumption makes us immune to swine flu, I'm fairly sure there was a problem in 2009 (a nurse friend of mine in Ternopil will agree with me on that one).

Yes, the Diaspora does have some interesting methods of trying to influence Ukrainians in Ukraine (and some of which not every Diaspora member agrees with). However, they do this because the majority of them live in countries were free and fair elections are the norm and the political figures they vote in actually try to make that country a better place. Sorry for trying to get that kind of political governance into Ukraine...I guess Pikhovshek is happier with the idiots that are running Ukraine now. Yes, Ukraine has a long, long way to go before it is an example of a complete democracy but placing a prime minister under arrest for what appears to be no valid reason (instead of going through a government inquiry because she herself is a government official) is just a sad excuse of governance and ruling by force and fear. I'm actually surprised by Pikhovshek, but he's probably going along the political band-wagon and trying to distance himself from Kuchma as much as possible!

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Anonymous Sept. 9, 2011, 3:23 a.m.    

Regarding the demonstrations in Canada, UkeTube - Ukrainian Video has 30 videos covering two (2) demonstrations in Toronto:

Canada Tymoshenko - Канада Тимошенко

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCC82C43F73462160&amp;feature=viewall

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Anonymous Sept. 10, 2011, 5:04 p.m.    

'The Ukrainian Diaspora and Ukraine' by Alexander Motyl.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/new/blogs/motyl/The_Ukrainian_Diaspora_and_Ukraine

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Anonymous Sept. 10, 2011, 6:43 p.m.    

“One day, two weeks ago, an anonymous person called me to my private phone (not to office!) and recommended that we stop sales of all products criticizing Yanukovich immediately. I refused as these t-shirts don’t contain any unethical or offensive things – just a critique and satire.”

The person on the other end of the line said “Ok, this is your choice, but you’ll regret this,” and hung up.

A week later their office was completely blocked and destroyed by Ukraine’s police.

Read more:

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/112513/20/page/1/#comments#ixzz1XZ19qlvg

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