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Russia's military no match for modern enemy

23 October 2008, 19:36 | Reuters
Russia's military no match for modern enemy
"Improvements in command, training
levels and the employment of flexible,
modern weapons systems are required
before the Russian military can face
any opponents larger or better equipped
than the Georgian military," a
JSAS report concluded.
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's war in Georgia showed its military would be no match for a bigger enemy because it has not adapted to post-Cold War realities, said an independent report released on Thursday.

In a five-day war in August, Russian troops launched a massive counter-attack and took control of large swaths of Georgian territory after Tbilisi tried to retake its rebel South Ossetia region by force in early August.

"While ostensibly a military success, the August war actually exposed many of the Russian military's deep-seated weaknesses," Jane's Strategic Advisory Services (JSAS), a specialist consultancy firm, said in a report.

"A central problem is that of a Russian political and military leadership commitment to a Cold War scenario," it said.

"Focus remains on a large army able to deploy overwhelming firepower ... There is little demonstrable interest in a smaller, better trained and flexible force."

"Improvements in command, training levels and the employment of flexible, modern weapons systems are required before the Russian military can face any opponents larger or better equipped than the Georgian military."

One of the authors of the report said the Georgia conflict may have been a catalyst for radical military reforms that were announced last week to create a more modern, mobile army.

Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov last week revealed plans to slash the number of officers and generals and create mobile, combat-ready units.

On Thursday, the defence ministry said Russia's Pacific fleet will cut more than 4,500 officer jobs by the end of 2009.

The Pacific fleet, headquartered in Vladivostok, is one of four fleets that make up the Russian navy. It includes four nuclear submarines and other warships and support vessels.

SOVIET TACTICS

Western military planners studied the Russian performance in Georgia because they have to plan for the possibility of a war with Russia and because many other states -- including Iran -- also use Russian arms and equipment.

The report said Russian troops swiftly crossed into Georgia -- assuring a decisive victory -- partly because many had been taking part in military exercises in a nearby region.

Reuters journalists in the conflict zone witnessed a highly-motivated Russian force. In one case, two heavy trucks that had broken down were pushed off a bridge into a river so the advance was not slowed down.

But the report highlighted a number of deficiencies and cases of Soviet-style tactics being used:

* The most widely-used armour was the T-72 main battle tank designed in the 1970s, while there was also a large number of even older T-62s and T-64s. "None of the new T-90s appear to have been present," JSAS said.

* Russia deployed a force of about 10,000 soldiers in the first days after the conflict started "suggesting a continued reliance upon mass manoeuvre and fire power with minimal indications of modern weapons," the report said.

* Evidence suggests Russia used "dumb bombs" to attack Georgian targets and that they failed to inflict significant damage. "Russia does not possess a sufficient arsenal of modern precision weapons," the report said.

* It said a Russian Tu-22 long-range bomber that was shot down over Georgia appeared to have been used for intelligence gathering because of a shortage of unmanned aerial vehicles.

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Nickolas  (Guest) | 18.12.2008, 01:59
My TANK is best because it uses no gas. My JET is best because it\'s the fasted on earth.
My SHIP is best because its invisible. And my people are best because they know what is good.
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Guest  (Guest) | 28.10.2008, 21:09
I was a little disappointed with the Russian response. I thought it took too long, considering the short distance to the battle theater. I was shocked that the Russian Air Force attacked a pipeline with bombers and left it intact. Further, with all the Russian combat flights that took place, they should have flattened Georgia. On the other hand, the USA can travel 12,000 km with tanks, planes and ships and knock out Iraq in a matter of hours. The USA has even loaded B-52 bombers in Alabama, flown them to Iraq non-stop, refueling in the air, delivered their cruise missiles accurately and returned home without landing. That\'s over 30 hours flying time from the USA to Iraq and back! Though I admire the Russian fighters and the way they maneuver, they are just easy targets for USA targeting systems and missiles. The Russians have a long way to go before they could stand up to USA weaponry. The USA military does not stand still. They are always implementing innovation.
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Guest  (Guest) | 28.10.2008, 22:41
Let me guess you work at circus ha-ha-ha
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Guest  (Guest) | 28.10.2008, 23:20
Russia has not been in a real military conflict since Afghanistan, which they lost. Georgia and Chechnya are minor conflicts, basically, Russian arms against Russian arms. Vietnam and Korea were major battles where both sides learned a lot about the strengths and weaknesses of their weaponry. Israel is a testing ground for USA weaponry and Russian arms have lost consistently for over 40 years in that battle theater. The problem with Russia is that they save the \"best\" weaponry for themselves and sell outdated or scaled-down systems to their clients, never really testing or determining if they can stand a real battle. The other problem is that the Russians do not train their clients very well to defend, or attack using the equipment they\'ve purchased. Until Russian weaponry can defend Iran or Syria\'s airspace or stop Israel cold, it\'s just words with no proof of workmanship. Anyone can create videos of bombs exploding in the right place during peace time.
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Guest  (Guest) | 29.10.2008, 00:05
When I said, \"the USA can travel 12,000 km with tanks, planes and ships and knock out Iraq in a matter of hours...\", what was really meant was: The USA can travel 12,000 km with tanks, planes and ships knock out Iraq in a matter of hours.
Guest  (Guest) | 25.10.2008, 16:26
Folks its high time west play media outcast against Russia and appreciate the facts that Russia has mighty weapons.But still needs updating which they have already started.They have the largest nukes more than NATO countries put together and many SAMS.Russia played safe.It crushed Georgians supported by Israeli and US combat weaponry.Had Russians wanted they could have blown the pipeline in Georgia but behave like the US did in Iraq.Just 5days and american lead georgia bit the dust.Any proof required about the downplaying of Russian military by the media?In Somalia 8 NATO ships cant do anything and all are waiting for Russian Ship to start action.Russia is soon(5-10 years) going to be the Only Superpower as predicted by Nostradamus but will face stiff competition from China.
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Guest  (Guest) | 09.11.2008, 18:52
wow you\'re a smart guy, you really know your stuff.

all the smartest people get there expertise from souces like Nostradamus
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FromUSAwithLove  (Guest) | 25.10.2008, 07:47
We all know what Bolsheviks were and who suffered under them. Russians, Ukrainians, Balts, Eastern and Far Eastern nations, everybody in the facinity. To somehow make Ukraine\'s cause more virtuous than others is simply pathetic. Argument that Bolsheviks originated in Russia doesn\'t sit well with me, as Stalin originated in Georgia.

Now, US helped Suddam Hussein to power in 1963, then they supported Mujahadeen movement that later became Taliban. These are pretty big mistakes. US is in process of trying to fix them and borrowing from China, Russia, and other countries to pay for it. Similarly, US provided financial support for Saakashvili, and Yuschenko. Saakashvilli started a military offensive against a separatist province, and Yuschenko supplied him with weapons. See the patern. It is Putin\'s and Medvedev\'s jobs to address these security issues on Russian boarders. If anybody believes that the West will ever stick up for Ukraine or Georgia against Russia, you are mistaking.
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Wayne  (Guest) | 24.10.2008, 23:21
Why so many guests? Could it be that freedom loving people don\'t live with the fear the suppressed must endure. If you speak freely add your name.
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Guest  (Guest) | 24.10.2008, 02:03
The worst scenario is that those russian brothers like Ukraine and Georgia are those one who are going to die massively. West, particularly, american are using these countries to provoke russian.
I don\'t understand how comes russian, georgian and ukranian do not remember their brotherhood ties.
It is time for them to know that American are evils.
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Guest  (Guest) | 24.10.2008, 07:41
I guess we forgot the brotherhood that sent unarmed soldiers wave after wave in WWII to push the Germans out. I guess we forgot the brotherhood that sent so many of us to Siberia to die. I guess we forgot that a disproportionate number of Ukrainians died in WWII fighting for our brotherhood Soviet state. I guess we forgot the brotherhood of Stalin that starved the country in 1933. I guess we forgot the brotherhood that robbed us at least three generations of our intellectuals, teachers, doctors, scientist in the name of Communism. With this kind of brotherhood, we need to cut this branch off this family tree. We don\'t need a brother like the Kremlin. It is no wonder why we look to the West for salvation and to the East for damnation. And to clarify by West, we don\'t mean to America, but Europe.
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Mike  (Guest) | 24.10.2008, 11:47
I could not have put it better myself ...
who needs a brother like you describe.... its amazing that they talk like this when they want something, the rest of the time they just take or destroy.

And yes I am your brother in Europe Slava Ukraina
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Guest  (Guest) | 24.10.2008, 13:56
And what you think they should have surrendered. Where would the world be today if Hitler won the war. If it was not for the brave sacrifice that Russian and others gave we would all be slaves for the third reich. Whilst America thinks it won WWII the truth is it was Th soviets that suffered and sacrificed the most to help drive back Hitlers forces.
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Guest  (Guest) | 24.10.2008, 23:47
nobody denies it was a great sacrifice. yet, it does not excuse the fact that the Soviet Army had hardly ever counted lives of its soldiers. Enough is enough. Fight your wars without us.
Guest  (Guest) | 24.10.2008, 22:46
What you have described has nothing to do with Russia or Russians. All that is thanks to Stalin who (if you do not know that ) was Georgian! So go ahead and blame Georgia, not Russia.
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FromUSAwithLove  (Guest) | 25.10.2008, 07:38
You look to the West for salvation, to receive a hand out. Please, be honest.
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Sterk  (Guest) | 26.10.2008, 17:25
And it seems that we forgot about the fact that Ukraine might have ceased to exist as a state without Russia\'s protection in the 17th cent and would be now a part of Poland, Turkey or something else. Ukraine got its independence from Russia in 1991 peacefully, without any territorial disputes or political conflicts, its territory enlarged with Crimea (which would have been impossible without Russians) and having stockpiles of A-weapons. You need also note that 99% Russians were and are just not aware about the grievances done to Ukraine under various regimes. There were millions of victims on the Russian side, too. Furthermore, Stalin\'s plans would have not been implemented in Ukraine if they had not been supported by local activists. So, may be it\'s time - after 17 years from independence - to stop blaming Russia of all mortal sins still enjoying at least some benefits we have received? Or do you think that by damning Russia you will get any closer to Europe?
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.10.2008, 23:17
Russia doctrine against NATO today is similar like NATO doctrine (NATO didn’t hide that since there were over 700000 Russian solders in eastern Europe) against Warsaw pact countries during sixties and seventies nuclear deterrence (asymmetrical response).I don’t know why somebody think that Russia would not use nuclear weapon if Russia can not match with NATO on conventional weapons.This kind of thinking could be disastrous for every one on planet Earth.
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.10.2008, 22:18
It wasn\'t the Americans training the Georgians. It was the Israelis. The training effort was led by the same Israeli General that led the illfated war on Hezbollah. Look at the Georgian Cabinet. How many ex or duel Israeli citizens to you see there. The West does not want to attack or invade Russia. Although, I think it does have business concerns about Russia being the sole source provider of energy to Europe. Thus the pipelines in Georgia. That\'s the real driver. It\'s not military it\'s money. EU wants to diversify its supplier base. Russia shouldn\'t really care much because once it finishes it\'s pipeline to China, it will have a customer that will make EU purchases look minor.
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.10.2008, 23:35
The facts do not match your comment. Georgians confirmed that US Marines were training them. Several black soldiers were killed (apearently they are American). One American soldier was captured alive. Russia took several Hy-Vees and now USA tells to return those because they were used by US special force and are property of USA. I don\'t understand how you can say that USA was not training Georgians...
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Igor  (Guest) | 09.12.2008, 01:49
US was training Georgians for the conflict in Iraq, not training them for national defense. The only Georgians that were trained by the US were at the time in Iraq. No American soldier was captured, what was found was an American soldiers Identification that was stolen and reported at least 9 months prior to the conflict. The vehicles that were stolen by the Russians were in shipping crates waiting on the docks to be shipped back to the states. And yes Russians broke into the crates and took the property that belongs to the US.
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Mike2  (Guest) | 06.12.2008, 16:23
The Israelis testing their newest weapons and softwares?

They got money - and good feedback on their weapons.
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.10.2008, 22:13
I appreciate your confidence in the Russian military and nationalist pride is a good thing. But, even if Russia were to be able to \"beat\" the Chinese and US, it would still lose strategically. The point is for none of the Big 3 to get into a fight precisely because in escalation it could go nuclear. I would not consider the Chinese too close of an ally. I suspect they would stay out of any conflict involving the USA. The two economies are too intertwined. The unraveling of the business relationships would cause more damage to the elites of both countries than any war.
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.10.2008, 22:08
Agreed. Russia did \"win\" the \"war\" with Georgia. Westerners agree. But, I would guess the oligarchs and Russian stock market don\'t feel as if Russia \"won.\" Further, the West does not want to invade or fight a war with Russia. If the West wanted to, you know it would \"win\" tactically but strategically everyone would lose. That\'s why there was not intervention by the West. The West wants Russia to be part of a European type future not some belligerent Venezuelan backwater.
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