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EU official: Lutsenko, Ivaschenko groundlessly held in custody

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Nov. 26, 2011, 1:53 p.m. | Ukraine — by Interfax-Ukraine

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Kyiv, November 26 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights Thomas Hammarberg said that the detention of former Ukrainian Interior Minister Yuriy Lutsenko and former Acting Defense Minister Valeriy Ivaschenko pending a court ruling, as well as the arrest of former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko pending her sentence, is groundless. He said at a press conference in Kyiv on Saturday that there was a problem in Ukraine with the excessive use of the practice of pretrial detention.

“This problem, of course, is very important for the international community when it comes to such criminal cases as cases against Tymoshenko, Lutsenko and Ivaschenko,” he said.

“Based on my analysis, in any one of these cases that I mentioned there are no such exceptional circumstances that would justify their detention pending a court ruling,” he added.

Hammarberg added that Ukraine should adhere to the principles of presumption of innocence -- a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. However, he said that there were exceptional circumstances, on the basis of which there are grounds for arrest. In particular, they include a risk that a person will flee, destroy evidence, or exert pressure on witnesses, he added.

“If there are no such risks, then there are no grounds to hold a person in custody,” he said.
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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 2:21 p.m.    

I wrote a comment regarding a Fortress Palace for a controversial situation in Russia, and perhaps it can be applied in Ukraine for certain high profile accused People.

There are Many People who would like to see a Documentary on how Khodorkovsky could have maintained the Western Alleged Purity while becoming the Richest man in Russia during the Yeltsin Era.

The Yeltsin Era has been described by America and the European Union as a time that the Russian Economy was run by the Russian Mafia who would kill for Money.

There are People who watch Movies and they see how the Boss of the Mafia is always the Richest Man, because he is the Boss of the Mafia.

This Documentary should show how Mikhail Khodorkovsky or Platon Lebedev did not and cannot show remorse or Confess to their Guilt, and throw themselves upon the Mercy of the Russian Correctional System and show genuine remorse for their shameful crimes of Stealing Huge Sums of Monies from their fellow Citizens, even if they wanted to because of being genuinely remorseful for their Shameful Conduct.

This is because the European Union or America will retaliate against them if they Confessed, and I hope that the Parole Board takes this into consideration, if Mikhail Khodorkovsky or Platon Lebedev apply for parole.

At the same time, the Parole Board needs to take into account that America or the European Union may murder Mikhail Khodorkovsky or Platon Lebedev if they are released, because they just cannot help themselves to Slander Russia so as to try to discourage Foreign Investment in Russia.

I think that a Fortress Palace should be built within the Prison Complex for these two Convict Criminals, regardless of the Fact that some Western Governments are trying to say that Russia wants to Slander or Blackmail the West with this Fortress Palace.

The fortress Palace should be seen a compromise balance between competing perplexing dilemmas.

There is the Legal requirement and the genuine wish to see that the Law is applied equally to all Russian Citizens, and the need to protect Russian Citizens.

If the Law and the Procedures demand that Mikhail Khodorkovsky or Platon Lebedev be granted parole, thus providing more comfortable circumstance than a prison cell, the Law also demands that these should be protected from the possible harm if the West is afraid that they will write about their Corrupt Western planned and backed Co-Conspiracy when they are very old.

This is why a Fortress Palace built within the Prison Complex for the duration of their remaining prison sentence should be considered as a possible solution to these perplexing concerning dilemmas Mikhail Khodorkovsky or Platon Lebedev.

The Fortress Palace can be used for any other perplexing dilemmas concerning future prisoners if there is a Special Needs Circumstance, and the Fortress Palace only became necessary because of Biased Western Interference in the Judicial Affairs of another Country, because the West wants to help their Criminal Fifth Columnists in Russia.

I know that some Countries could accuse Russia of bribing Mikhail Khodorkovsky or Platon Lebedev with the hope of a Confesion from even one of them, but Russia is going to be Slandered one way or another, and so Russia needs to do what is right under the circumstances.

There will be Russians and Foreigners that see that Russia is doing the right the right thing, and there will be Russians and Foreigners who will be critical of the reasonable compromise.

This Documentary could be approximately 20 minutes long, and it could be put on YouTube to give Westerners the true story.

We all know that former Russian oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and his ex-business partner Platon Lebedev have been convicted of syphoning off Huge Sums of Monies in Tax Evasion, Embezzlement, and Money Laundering Schemes.

Mikhail Khodorkovsky who is Jewish can use the proceeds of his syphoned off Huge Sums of Monies into overseas Banks and Financial Institutions to bribe Filmmakers, Judges, and the Media in the European Union and America.

It is easy for me to say that I would not have succumbed to the Temptation of looking at Huge Sums of Money, day after day and wanting to steal it like Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and his ex-business partner Platon Lebedev succumbed to Temptation, and engaged in Tax Evasion, Embezzlement, and Money Laundering Schemes.

I really and truly would like to think that I would have acted Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Platon Lebedev and not have succumbed to Temptation, but I just cannot say that give even myself that assurance.

I know that with such Large Sums of Stolen Money, there will be threats by those who are owed a percentage of it as their share, and they know that they can only receive their share if they help to have Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and his ex-business partner Platon Lebedev found not guilty in a Corrupt Court with Bribed Judges.

We know that with these Huge Sums of Embezzled and Laundered Monies will be used to Pervert the Course of Justice, not only in the Western Media, but more sinisterly, in the American Controlled Western Corrupt Courts and their Bribed Judges.

There are some People who have claimed that the Jews control America through Bribery of American Politicians, Public Officials, Main Stream Media, and Corrupt Courts and Bribed Judges, and that they need other Jews to steal Money for them to provide these Bribe Monies, and especially for their Election Campaign Finance of Western Politicians.

Other People have good reasons for suspecting that Britain and America order People like Mikhail Khodorkovsky to commit crimes, because they are confident that they can receive the Stolen Monies from the Russian People.

The Bonus for Britain and America that they want to have Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Platon Lebedev wrongly pronounced innocent in a Western Corrupt Court with Bribed Judges, after they have played the victim long enough to give Russia, and Russia’s Legal System a bad image globally, and they hope to top this Stolen Money up with undeserved Compensation for Co-conspiratorial Criminal Thieves.

The committing of Crimes of such magnitude by Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and Platon Lebedev gives the Russian prosecutors have no alternatives other than to go after the Criminals, and Britain, America react with their Slanders that take the form of stern warnings that Russia is risking all the progress it has made during the last decade.

Britain and America use the situation to wrongly slander Russia, because they want to discourage Foreign Business Investment in Russia.

We know that Mikhail Khodorkovsky has asked a French Court to award him 100 Billion Dollars in Compensation, and we know that for 100 Billion Dollars, Mikhail Khodorkovsky can buy a lot of Corruption and Bribery in the Western Media, Western Courts, Western Judges, and Western Politicians.

The Capitalists and the European Union will say that their favoured Media, their favoured Politicians, and their favoured Judges can be trusted not to be their Bribed Puppets.

Others will say that some Western Media, some Western Politicians, and some Western Judges can be Bribed or Immolated, because Human Nature Demands that Certain Individuals will Eagerly Betray their own People, or Foreigners will Pervert the Course of Justice in order to Receive the Dirty Bribe Money that they Lust for so Much from their Capitalist Puppet Masters.

It needs to be said that even though some Politicians are Wealthy, that this does not mean that they earned it from Corruption or Bribes, but they worked hard for it.

It is equally true that the Socialist International say that it is Simply Unacceptable that Socialist Politicians accept Bribes from their Capitalist Puppet Masters.

America easily is, and by far remains the Greatest Threat to the Peace, the Security, and the Prosperity of Continental Europe, because of their Divide and Rule Policy, and the Injustices to the Innocent Serbian People with regard to Kosovo is just one of many Perfect Examples of this.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 3:03 p.m.    

&quot;Lets' do the Time Warp again!&quot; The above was brought to you by the Dis-Information department of the KGB. Admittedly arch and archcaic, it is an historical example of the kind of tripe that helped dis-mantle the USSR.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 6:43 p.m.    

Sad how little they can say to build up this illegal and corrupt govt, so they write stories that have nothing to do with the article, using it as a means of criticizing the US.

We're not perfect, but I'll take us any day over govts like Yanu, Lukashenko and Putin as well as most members of the CIS.

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 10:06 p.m.    

Not only CIS, you need to toss in most of the world while you're at it. USA is the one shining of a successful revolution, regardless of our problems off and on for the last couple hundred years. Somehow we always manage to muddle through whatever is tossed our way.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 8:06 p.m.    

Why don't you address his arguments instead of making disrespectful remarks?

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 3:59 a.m.    

STFU !

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 10:03 p.m.    

Keep it clean, sonny. Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform is not needed here on this forum. If you can not argue the post, then kindly don't post. Or are you a 1Delta10Tango?

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 3:58 a.m.    

They should put you in prison...just for being stupid and a complete waste of fecal matter!

Your breathing is a waste of clean air.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 3:52 p.m.    

I ahree. Whilst all the attention is focused in Tymoshenko there are other political prisoners who should also be freed.

Lutsenko and co should be freed on bail or held in home detention not jail. The case against Lutsenko looks pretty week. Until the west get serious and apply sanctions or more sterner measures Yanukovych and others will not take there concerns seriously.

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Anonymous Nov. 26, 2011, 6:45 p.m.    

I hope the EU and the rest of the West hammers home the idea of the illegal imprisonment of the opposition members. I also hope they reject any visas from anyone involved in this illegal govt.

Lutsenko and Yulia are the main threats politically to this illegal and corrupt regime and EVERYONE knows it.

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 11:52 a.m.    

The reason is because they cannot refute my comments, and because they are unreasonable Modern Day Nazis and Fifth Columnists paid by Anglo-America and the Nazis of Europe, they must resort to threats, insults, and Lies.

These Dictatorial Nazi Supremacists arbitrarily sit in judgement of overs, even those who are more intelligent then most of them could ever be, and if they should by Whimsical Decree decide that a Person is stupid, or if they should Realize that a Non-Nazi is more intelligent then they are, then these Dogs would them in Jail or wish them dead as a demonstration of just how Educated and Democratic they are.

We all know that Freedom of Speech is Vital for a healthy functioning Democracy that Ukraine is.

This is because Ukraine wishes to join the European Union that Guarantees Freedom Conscience, and Freedom of Speech as a Fundamental European Value.

As a Serb, I do not support or oppose any Political Party in Ukraine, but as a Fellow Slav, I support Ukraine and Ukrainian People’s wish for good Government, and that must include that their Politicians are Accountable for any Criminal or Treasonous Activities.

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 12:20 p.m.    

Anglo-America and the Nazis of Europe know just how reasonable my suggestion for a Fortes Palace is, they fear being Blackmailed for Money, and this is why they have their Puppets barking at my comments.

I have noticed how News Stories on Mikhail Khodorkovsky who was Convicted of Tax Evasion, Embezzlement, and Money Laundering Schemes to Steal Huge Sums of Monies from his Fellow Russians.

As I have already said, that Anglo-America and the Nazis of the European Union will find fault with whatever Russia does with regard to Prosecuting its Criminals like Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

If I were to be Improperly Slandered and Unprincipled Misrepresented regardless of what I did, then I would choose do what I thought is Fair, Just, and Right.

The Only way a Person will not be Improperly Slandered and Unprincipled Misrepresented by Anglo-America and the Nazis of the European Union, is if become their Puppets, and become as Evil and Unprincipled like they are, and if you help them to steal from your own Country and People.

I think that the Fortress Palace for Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and his partner Platon Lebedev is a Genuine Compromise Solution that should be considered, regardless of who thought of it.

Any proper Government will consider proposals that even Foreigners have suggested, because this simply should their Reasonableness.

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 1:04 p.m.    

I have noticed how News Stories on Mikhail Khodorkovsky have been scarce since I wrote my comment on the Fortress Palace.

Perhaps one day, Russia might see if they could advertise in the American Media for an American Movie Star, who for 15 Million Dollars Tour of America for one month to promote the Fortress Palace for Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and his Partner in Crime, Platon Lebedev.

We know that Anglo-America and the Nazis of Europe will not be happy, and that a good barometer of how good and reasonable a Fortress Palace is for Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and his Partner in Crime, Platon Lebedev.

The European Union are worried that their Unelected Officials might be investigated for Bankrupting the European Union.

They Unelected European Union Officials do not want to even be in A Fortress Palace to serve their prison sentences, even if they are promised Russian Gas to make the place more comfortable for Winters of Europe.

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Anonymous Nov. 27, 2011, 7:57 p.m.    

The troll for PoR is at it again.

It makes little difference what the articles is about, he writes about the Russians and Khodorkovsky, twisting the truth of that story, or that it is because Ukraine has a presidential system instead of a parliamentary system that Ukraine is no longer a democracy, even using a variety of aliases to promote his nonsense.

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Anonymous Nov. 28, 2011, 10:02 a.m.    

I have been accused of writing some comments that are not what my unreasonable and biased critics think is related to the News Item, and so I wish to state my position in order prevent Genuine People from being Deceived by the Foreign Paid Fifth Columnists who are my unreasonable critics for no just cause.

However, we all know that in this world Many Things are interrelated, even though it might not be obvious to some Readers, or that some Foreign paid Fifth Columnists use that argument when they do not like the truths I write.

I would like People to understand that I am not working for any Government, because if I were, then I would probably have an Office in the Northern Hemisphere, and what I write would go to the Government for them to filter, refine, and improve on, and They Would Announce It to receive the Credit.

I am a Serb and a fellow Slav who is, and who has been living in the Southern Hemisphere for many years.

I remember that when I was a young boy, my family had a Ukrainian family as our friends, and we nearly all always call that Ukrainian man Bratko or Brother, even though that was not his real name.

The Fact that some of my unreasonable critics think that I am a propagandist working for the Ukrainian Government, makes me think, wrongly or rightly that they know that I am writing the truth, and because they cannot refute it, they resort to Slander by calling my comments State paid propaganda.

Every Major Political Party in Ukraine have a process where they decide what the leaders will say in order to gain popularity with the Voters.

That Fact shows us that if I were working for any Political Party in Ukraine, then I would submit my writings, and THEY would speak these things, and it would not be me saying these things in my written comments that only reaches a few People.

This is because the Politicians would say these things to the Media, and the Media would write it in order to reach nearly every Voter in Ukraine.

I know that all Honest, Good, and Reasonable People with sufficient Intelligence can see that I have written the entire truth in this comment.

I hope we all realize that Foreign Investors may be nervous if they think that large scale protests will occur in Ukraine, and therefore they will go to other places where it is safer and quieter.

Ukrainians should wait until the next Election and use the Election to change the Government if they think that the Government is not doing a good enough job.

These days, Foreign Investors can be very selective as to what Countries they are prepared to Risk Their Money, and this is because of the Global Financial Crisis.

Ukrainians need to think that the as far as some Opposition Politicians are concerned, they want a poor Ukrainian Economy in order to win the next Election and free their friends from Jail, and they do not care about the Welfare of the Ukrainian People because they are the Puppets of Anglo-America and the Nazis of Europe.

If Hitler told you that you should have at least three good meals a day, or your Family, Friends, and Neighbours told you to have at least three good meals a day, then who would be telling the truth?

The answer is of course that all of them would be telling you the truth.

If your Family, Friends, and Neighbours told that smoking cigarettes is good for your health, and if Hitler told you that smoking cigarettes is bad for your health, then we know who would be telling the truth.

The point that I am making is that Wise People will examine every statement on its own Merits, and not look at the Messenger.

The Fact that the unreasonable cannot refute what I write with proof, then this is why they resort to Lies, and to trying to belittle the messenger with insults, and More Sinisterly with they Slander the messenger, because they cannot provide evidence for they disagree with the message, because they know it is true.

As a Serb, I do not support any Political Party in Ukraine, but as a Fellow Slav, I support Ukraine and Ukrainian People’s wish for good Government, and that must include that their Politicians are Accountable for their actions.

The reason my unreasonable and lying critics cannot refute my comments, but resort to Threats, Insults, and Lies, is because they are unreasonable Modern Day Nazis and Fifth Columnists paid by Anglo-America and the Modern Day Nazis of Europe.

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Anonymous Nov. 28, 2011, 3:22 p.m.    

Commenter's 10:02 below long winded and waste of space nonsense is basically saying listen to Yanukovych and don't prejudge him. The world has been listening to Yanukovych saying one thing but doing another to roll back democracy, freedom of speech freedom of press and economic freedom. There is no longer anything to listen to. Yanukovych is becomming a dictator. Commenter 10:02 below you are a pathetic authoritarian sympathizer.

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Anonymous Nov. 29, 2011, 8:33 a.m.    

This Slanderous Western Paid Stooge wants to restrict Freedom of Conscience, and the Freedom of Speech to only those who agree with him, and he wants to call this Democracy.

I would like to know what is wrong with not prejudging anyone, but you People prejudge that some Opposition People are automatically Innocent, even though you have not heard the Evidence, and after you have heard the Evidence, you remain in denial as to the Facts.

I do not support or oppose any Political Party in Ukraine, but as a Serb and a Fellow Slav, I support Ukrainian People’s wishes for good Government.

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Anonymous Nov. 28, 2011, 3:27 p.m.    

Comments from &quot;THE&quot; should be deleted.The comments are long winded, racist, slanderous and insulting.

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Anonymous Nov. 29, 2011, 8:34 a.m.    

I do not support or oppose any Political Party in Ukraine, but as a Serb and a Fellow Slav, I support Ukrainian People’s wishes for good Government.

My Unreasonable, Biased, and Lying Critics cannot refute my comments, and so they resort to Threats, Insults, and Lies, because they are Dictatorial Modern Day Nazis and Fifth Columnists Puppets and Traitors paid by Anglo-America and by the Modern Day Nazis of Europe.

Everyone knows that there was no racism in my comment, and Everyone knows this to be true.

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