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Inviting a man who served in the Waffen SS Galicia Division to attend Pres. Zelensky’s visit to the Canadian House of Commons has caused a scandal of global proportions, forcing the Speaker to resign. The fear of “Ukrainian Nazis” infiltrating Canada is not something new – but is there more to the story?
After the end of the Second World War concerns were raised about how “thousands of Ukrainian Nazis” somehow escaped justice and emigrated to Europe and North America. In the lead-up to the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Putin asserted that “defeating Naziism” in Ukraine left him no other choice but to attack.
Did you know that both cases have their origins in a Soviet-era campaign intended to provoke social discord and conflict throughout the West? Lubomyr Luciuk, Professor of Political Geography at the Royal Military College of Canada, sheds light on how “Operation Payback” unfolded.
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On this forum all we have are uninformed, "professors" and commenters- the blind leading the blind.
Those who have serpent eyes, who love Russia, who always loved Russia as their ideological mecca, their genocidal Vatican in whom they always hoped and still hope today for their new world...
they are leading the naively and willfully blind.
They with their serpent eyes are still trying to lead the blind by with their tasty defamatory venom calling the Ukrainian people collectively Nazis.
These are the great wise experts- the great minds mearsheimer, Oliver Stone, the late Stephen Cohen et al... the horde, the whole gang of sleaze balls who love to defame Ukraine just for their pleasure in doing so... with no factual basis or motivation whatsoever other than that.
These people have a mortal allergy to OVERRIDING SELF-EVIDENT facts like vampires to garlic and a great love of evil. But their evil is fading away.
The wonderful Ukrainian people- THE SAVIORS OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE FROM THE HOLOCAUST by their primary role-as Churchill wrote- in defeating the Germans...
The Ukrainians, saviors of the Jewish people from the Holocaust have been FALSELY smeared as anti-semites for over a hundred years.
Now regarding collaboration here is not the elephant in the room not the Mastodon but the Tyrannosaurus Rex of them all in the room:
With whom did the Allies collaborate to defeat their enemy?
With the most genocidal regime in all human history the Russians.
Well, if the entire West collaborated with totalitarian genociders how is it that they take a microscope and exclusively focus on Ukraine where a mere 22,000 Ukrainian men put on another country's uniform?
why?
In order to destroy their own genociders - the Russians - who are now carrying out genocide actively today as they have been for 300 years against the Ukrainian people.
Anyone who defames Ukraine must know that
no Nation on Earth did as much to save the Jewish people from the Holocaust as did the ukrainians
and further
no other people on earth did as much to save the west from Nazism as did the ukrainians who lost 15.7 million people in World War II - almost 1/3 of all the victims on all sides in all the entire world were ukrainians never Russians
so it's time for those who love to smear Ukraine and love Russia- their spiritual genocidal Vatican...
to put their shoe in their own mouth and speak instead about the true champions of bestial genocide, their beloved Russian people
Part 3
As reconfirmed by Russia's own archives briefly opened by Yeltsin and then quickly resealed by Putin, The Soviet Union lost 23 million people in World War II.
Ukraine Alone lost 15.7 million. 8.6 million military & 7.1 million civilians.
Unfortunately only the military victims are usually mentioned such as when Zelensky speaks, he omits adding the civilian toll.
The Soviet Union however was made of 15 republics.
All the other 14 republics including some sort of place called "Russia" lost 7.3 million ALL TOGETHER.
No Nation on Earth gave as much, sacrificed as much to defeat Hitler and Nazi Germany as did the Ukrainian people on whose Land World War II in Europe was utterly focused.
Ukrainians liberated Auschwitz and all the camps in the East and a UKRAINIAN, no Russian put the red flag on the Reichstag in Berlin.
It is constantly sickening to hear Ukraine smeared and smeared and smeared and defamed and defamed and defamed using the terms Nazi and Nazi Collaborators.
Who is doing this? It is those whose ideological Vatican was always genocidal Russia.
Now for some facts rather than russian defamations:
I. E. COLD HARD FACTS:
over 1 million Russians fought in Nazi uniform 130,000 of whom were SS.
See RONA, Russian Liberation Army, Von Panwitz, etc etc
Tiny Holland had 55,000 SS
Norway similar Estonia similar France, Spain, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria etc etc all had more SS than did ukraine.
Ukraine PER CAPITA had the LOWEST NUMBER OF ALL OTHER NATIONS a mere 22,000 fighting in German uniform. They were fighting exclusively against THEIR Russian genociders and refused any action against any allied forces (Galicia div)
Let any anyone who intentionally genocidally smears Ukraine as Nazi first speak of Russia and Russia's Alliance in 1939 with Hitler.
Let that person speak of 87% of Russia's so-called Parliament today being neo-Nazi.
Let us remember that there are 2,700 Ukrainians among the righteous in Jerusalem about a mere 220 of your Russian genocidal heroes
Part 2
As Churchill wrote, Germany was defeated in Ukraine by Ukrainians where and by whom 65% of Germany's entire global Military might was destroyed.
For clarity
For every American who perished in World War II in Europe 135 - one hundred thirty five Ukrainians died...
almost 1/3 of all victims of World War II on all sides worldwide were ukrainians, never so-called "Russians."
some perspective:
Concrete FACTS :
Holocaust:
6 million victims, majority Jewish
Trans Atlantic slave trade:
17 million victims enslaved N&S Americas
28 MILLION UKRAINIANS MURDERED BY THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE in the 20th century alone
Part 1
How much exhumation it takes to dig Ukraine out of Russian narratives still perpetrated by the lovers of Russia as the champion of the most genocidal regime in human history .
Hard Concrete undebatable facts that put everything into perspective:
NO PEOPLE ON EARTH DID AS MUCH AS THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE TO SAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE FROM THE HOLOCAUST
This is the humongous Mastodon FACT in the room that overrides and tramples any other blah blah about this subject.
How so? As reconfirmed by Russia's own archives briefly opened by Yeltsin and then quickly resealed by Putin, The Soviet Union lost 23 million people in World War II.
Ukraine Alone lost 15.7 million. 8.6 million military & 7.1 million civilians.
Part 1
How much exhumation it takes to dig Ukraine out of Russian narratives still perpetrated by the lovers of Russia as the champion of the most genocidal regime in human history .
Hard Concrete undebatable facts that put everything into perspective:
NO PEOPLE ON EARTH DID AS MUCH AS THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE TO SAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE FROM THE HOLOCAUST
This is the humongous Mastodon FACT in the room that overrides and tramples any other blah blah about this subject.
How so? As reconfirmed by Russia's own archives briefly opened by Yeltsin and then quickly resealed by Putin, The Soviet Union lost 23 million people in World War II.
Ukraine Alone lost 15.7 million.
How much exhumation it takes to dig Ukraine out of Russian narratives still perpetrated by the lovers of Russia as the champion of the most genocidal regime in human history .
Hard Concrete undebatable facts that put everything into perspective:
NO PEOPLE ON EARTH DID AS MUCH AS THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE TO SAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE FROM THE HOLOCAUST
This is the humongous Mastodon FACT in the room that overrides and tramples any other blah blah about this subject.
How so? As reconfirmed by Russia's own archives briefly opened by Yeltsin and then quickly resealed by Putin, The Soviet Union lost 23 million people in World War II.
Ukraine Alone lost 15.7 million. 8.6 million military & 7.1 million civilians.
Unfortunately only the military victims are usually mentioned such as when Zelensky speaks, he omits adding the civilian toll.
The Soviet Union however was made of 15 republics. All the other 14 republics including some sort of place called Russia lost 7.3 million ALL TOGETHER.
No Nation on Earth gave as much sacrificed as much to defeat Hitler and Nazi Germany as did the Ukrainian people on whose Land World War II in Europe was utterly focused. Ukrainians liberated Auschwitz and all the camps in the East and the Ukrainian no Russian put the red flag on the Reichstag in Berlin.
As Churchill wrote, Germany was defeated in Ukraine by Ukrainians where and by whom 65% of Germany's entire global Military might was destroyed.
Hard facts for perspective:
Holocaust 6 million victims majority Jewish
transatlantic slave trade North and South America 17 million enslaved.
28 million ukrainians murdered by the Russian people in the 20th century alone (based on russia's own archives briefly opened by Yeltsin in 1992)
Interesting how wikipedia gives a more complete picture. Yes, we don't know what this particular guy did, but there is a very good chance he committed war crimes (not even against the Soviets), if not genocide....
"Wołyń"
https://youtu.be/iY-zOOjTO7U?si=JRyKfgo8HDIXPpVq
One last thought. If we are going to reject revealing Vol.2 of the Dechenes findings (which is not nearly as innocuous as suggested by Mr Lucius), then what claims can we possibly make for the dogged pursuit of Russian war criminals after this disgusting war is over? It will take years to pursue them all. Are we going to submit to Russian diaspora members’ morally merciful claims that “There are so few perpetrators left” or “they’re so old by now, why dredge it up, etc?” Or do we want to go into that propaganda battle with a clean slate, where no one can point to a hypocritical double standard? In the end, it comes down to whether we agree that all Ukrainians who have experienced war crimes deserve Justice in the end, regardless of creed.
Read what John Paul Himka had to say about this. https://www.yorku.ca/soi/_Vol_5_1/_HTML/Himka.html
He fails to acknowledge several important points :
1) volume 2 of the Dechene commission was never released, it was covered up by the privy council of Canada;
2) members of the division included police who had participated in massacres, so the powers that be at the time turned a blind eye to differences among them
3) with regard to the previous point, Himmler himself is recorded as having congratulated the division for their enthusiasm in the massacre of Jews
No way does this implicate all Ukrainians in that division, who were legitimately fighting Russia. But SOME were guilty, and this continual whitewashing only dysfunctionally serves to smear all Ukrainians. New Ukrainians do not deserve this disparagement simply because a few of a previous generation from a specific region of the country are unwilling to air the dirty laundry of some. Ask yourself why Volume 2 was concealed.
This issue should be decided on its merits, not on whether it furthers Vladimir Putin's aims or not.
Yes, absolutely, no evidence is uncovered. Dr. Lucik, are you assuming that it was a notary public before people were killed
With all respect anyone in the age 18 can understand what he is doing
In 1943 it was well known what happened with Jews in Ukraine, and associated with Nazi is a criminal
From 1941 onward the Waffen SS death squadrons, who were first guarding the concentration camps were employed as regular SS infantry regiments in the SS divisions. So, what's the great difference between the Waffen SS and the regular SS?
@Tan, the distinction was only really blurred with the 3rd SS deaths Head division and with many of the non German formations there was little involvement with the Holocaust (unless you use the broader definition to include atrocities against non jews)
The Waffen SS vs SS dilenation is so fucking pointless lol he vaguely talks about minor skirmishes in Slovakia and Poland despite the fact that included killing Slovaks uprising against Nazi occupation and murdering Polish civilians resulting in firefights with the Home Army. He says there's no evidence of atrocities despite clear contradictory evidence by Polish and Ukrainian commissions on the matter
The waffen SS was a criminal organisation and the Galicia division was purely voluntary, stop propagating actual Nazi's
@Trudeo, Not true many members were conscripts especially after the division was destroyed by the Soviets at the battle of Brody. The international military tribunal at Nuremberg ruled that one third of all SS were drafted.